Gentlemen, The Queen!

[Yahwe]

As you must all be aware Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, is 80 years old on Friday.

Now I have already been invited to two parties to celebrate this (alas not Her Majesty's personal celebrations )

I want firstly to make sure that you all know this (you people can be a bit dense at times)

Secondly to ask how you plan to celebrate and what birthday message you have sent.

[Nodrog]

I dont understand why youd even care about the birthday of someone famous you liked, or who was actually important. I suppose it can be a decent idea to remember/honour someone who is dead (eg noting Einstein's birthday), but its just bizarre doing it for living people who are in the public eye anyway.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

I dont understand why youd even care about the birthday of someone famous you liked, or who was actually important. I suppose it can be a decent idea to remember/honour someone who is dead (eg noting Einstein's birthday), but its just bizarre doing it for living people who are in the public eye anyway.

i hope all of your birthday presents are delayed for posthumous delivery

[Nodrog]

Note the 'someone famous' part (ie someone you arent actually going to meet on their birthday). Its different if you're celebrating a friend's birthday, although I think that's pretty stupid too if we're being honest.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Note the 'someone famous' part (ie someone you arent actually going to meet on their birthday). Its different if you're celebrating a friend's birthday, although I think that's pretty stupid too if we're being honest.

take prozac.

[Nodrog]

My holidays are better than yours.

[IncubusGod]

Can I wish her ill?

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by IncubusGod

Can I wish her ill?

If you want to look like a **** or a teenager trying to be cool by being contrary then of course.

[IncubusGod]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

If you want to look like a **** or a teenager trying to be cool by being contrary then of course.

May I remind you, like alot of people on here, I'm not British...

Why would I wish well an old lucky fart of a woman, who's only reason to exist is to hold an irrelevant office, weilding power only because her ancestors were the best at murdering, explotiing and scheming their way to the seat of power?

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by IncubusGod

May I remind you, like alot of people on here, I'm not British...

that hardly seems reason to be offensive ...

I'm not mongolian but I wish them no particular ill. I certainly would not try to deliberately offend mongolia.

[Proxi]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

that hardly seems reason to be offensive ...

I'm not mongolian but I wish them no particular ill. I certainly would not try to deliberately offend mongolia.

The mongolians, however, never managed to invade england and opress it's people for generations.

That being said, it is hardly fair to wish an old woman ill when she has done nothing deserving of it in her lifetime, or to fag up a thread which was set in good intentions.

So from a nationalist in northern ireland, I wish her a happy birthday.

[vampire_lestat]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

that hardly seems reason to be offensive ...

I think you're forgetting that England does seem to be the sole home of manners left, at least in the continent.

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by IncubusGod

May I remind you, like alot of people on here, I'm not British...

Why would I wish well an old lucky fart of a woman, who's only reason to exist is to hold an irrelevant office, weilding power only because her ancestors were the best at murdering, explotiing and scheming their way to the seat of power?

Amen.

And just to add to it, she and the rest of her family, have bad genes to due people inside the same familiy marrying each other to much.
(But that you can tell by just looking at em, aye)

[Dante Hicks]

I'll be trying to find as much republican music to play as possible before heading out into the night to abuse my body with the remnants of Thursday's pay packet (approximately £13.74 after various obligations have been met).

However, I do not wish her particular ill so if she's at the same club I am then I'll buy her a drink as I believe is the custom.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I'll be trying to find as much republican music to play as possible before heading out into the night to abuse my body with the remnants of Thursday's pay packet (approximately £13.74 after various obligations have been met).

However, I do not wish her particular ill so if she's at the same club I am then I'll buy her a drink as I believe is the custom.

Indeed it is.

If she did happen to be at your club I have no doubt that she would be gracious and serene and charm all about her as usual.

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Indeed it is.

If she did happen to be at your club I have no doubt that she would be gracious and serene and charm all about her as usual.

i bet she would carve up the dancefloor as well

[NEWSBOT3]

because you might have some manners.

still, nevermind eh.

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

As you must all be aware Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, is 80 years old on Friday.

Now I have already been invited to two parties to celebrate this (alas not Her Majesty's personal celebrations )

I want firstly to make sure that you all know this (you people can be a bit dense at times)

Secondly to ask how you plan to celebrate and what birthday message you have sent.

Aww god bless her.
What the irish ppl want to know is what will you be doing to celebrate the Pope's birthday tomorrow (16 April)

[Proxi]

Originally Posted by Paisley

What the irish ppl want to know is what will you be doing to celebrate the Pope's birthday tomorrow (16 April)

I was thinking of sending him a copy of The Da Vinci code, or perhaps some of the factual text it was based around. I wonder if he would appreciate it?

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Paisley

Aww god bless her.
What the irish ppl want to know is what will you be doing to celebrate the Pope's birthday tomorrow (16 April)

Her Majesty will no doubt convey her ragards to His Holiness on our behalf

[Dante Hicks]

Someone called "Paisley" caring about the Pope's birthday just doesn't sit right for me.

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Someone called "Paisley" caring about the Pope's birthday just doesn't sit right for me.

lmao

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Secondly to ask how you plan to celebrate and what birthday message you have sent.

I'm going to drink a tremendous amount of alcohol.

[NEWSBOT3]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I'm going to drink a tremendous amount of alcohol.

i'm not seeing this as anything out of the ordinary.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by NEWSBOT3

i'm not seeing this as anything out of the ordinary.

all that matters is that he will be doing it for her majesty.

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I'm going to drink a tremendous amount of alcohol.

for tomorrow or for next friday?

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Paisley

for tomorrow or for next friday?

Both. And the days in between just in case.

[NEWSBOT3]

Jolly good

[Proteus]

I was going to buy her a castle but then I found out she's already got one.

Perhaps I could send her some cash in an envelope marked "to be put towards HMY Britannia II".

[milo]

i shall sit on my throne and fire a salute in her honour

[Phang]

Huzzah for leeches! Hip Hip

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Phang

Huzzah for leeches! Hip Hip

perhaps you meant leaches

or perhaps you meant something else.

either way it seems to be lacking in grace towards your sovereign.

(oh and also wrong)

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Phang

Huzzah for leeches! Hip Hip

Well, considering that the lands owned by the crown put more money into the coffers of the treasury than is removed by the civil list, I can only assume you're talking about those evil rotters in parliament who want rights for the common man.

I mean, really. They'll be opposed to eating negroes at christmas next.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Well, considering that the lands owned by the crown put more money into the coffers of the treasury than is removed by the civil list, I can only assume you're talking about those evil rotters in parliament who want rights for the common man.

even though you are right.

and that you forgot to mention the fact that we get a head of state for free.

such arguments demean and insult Her Majesty.

Perhaps some others want to be offensive for the sake of it, perhaps such people spit on poppies, I know not.

Even a staunch rebuplican like dante can wish Her Majesty well. They can put aside their arguments at this time. Because they are decent human beings.

Arguing with those people who are unwilling to act decently is unnecessary.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Well, considering that the lands owned by the crown put more money into the coffers of the treasury than is removed by the civil list, I can only assume you're talking about those evil rotters in parliament who want rights for the common man.

I mean, really. They'll be opposed to eating negroes at christmas next.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

thank goodness for bad arguments and wiki

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_fallacy

I'm sorry, I haven't got a wiki link for "Irrelevent wiki links".

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I'm sorry, I haven't got a wiki link for "Irrelevent wiki links".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

[Squints]

'appy birthday maam and gawd bless ya as well.

It doesn't matter if you're for or against the monarchy the fact is most ill wishes sent her way are based solely on one thing. Jealousy.

Why? becuase the queen is probably going to outlive most of us.

The queen mam made it past the century, this one is going to last until at least 2090.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Well, considering that the lands owned by the crown put more money into the coffers of the treasury than is removed by the civil list, I can only assume you're talking about those evil rotters in parliament who want rights for the common man.

I mean, really. They'll be opposed to eating negroes at christmas next.

i don't care that the latent stupidity of tourists takes away the real-terms impact. I do care that there is constitutional provision for a better-than-citizen whose every whim is funded by the state and who is immune (correct me if this is wrong) from almost all forms of prosecution. I am incensed that this privilege is passed on by way of blood, rather than merit or popular election.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Phang

i don't care that the latent stupidity of tourists takes away the real-terms impact. I do care that there is constitutional provision for a better-than-citizen whose every whim is funded by the state and who is immune (correct me if this is wrong) from almost all forms of prosecution. I am incensed that this privilege is passed on by way of blood, rather than merit or popular election.

kid.

this is not the time to post your (wrong) arguments about monarchy.

her majesty is about to turn 80 after 54 years of faithful service. PLUS she is actually a lovely person.

can't you at least accept that?

[vampire_lestat]

Originally Posted by Phang

i don't care that the latent stupidity of tourists takes away the real-terms impact. I do care that there is constitutional provision for a better-than-citizen whose every whim is funded by the state and who is immune (correct me if this is wrong) from almost all forms of prosecution. I am incensed that this privilege is passed on by way of blood, rather than merit or popular election.

so because someone rose to a position of power through a means you do not approve of that means the person does not deserve that position?
The use of bloodlines to elect someone to a position of power may be foolish, but even a foolish method can produce some decent results, our Queen, from what I can tell, is one of these.

[Phang]

from what you can tell?


what on earth has the old sow done? her mother at least tried to connect with the people in small ways (the blitz etc), to at least show some kind of identification and familiarity. all this one has done so far as i can see is **** up her eldest son's love life from time to time.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Phang

i don't care that the latent stupidity of tourists takes away the real-terms impact. I do care that there is constitutional provision for a better-than-citizen whose every whim is funded by the state

I take it then you didn't read my post, given that I didn't mention tourists and specifically said that the monarchy puts more money DIRECTLY through land they own (the money from the vast majority of which is put straight into the treasury) than they take out with the civil list.

Originally Posted by Phang

i am incensed that this privilege is passed on by way of blood, rather than merit or popular election.

Go and demonstrate in a thread about Richard Murdock or any other wealthy private citizen. They don't tend to go around on philanthropic missions.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I take it then you didn't read my post, given that I didn't mention tourists and specifically said that the monarchy puts more money DIRECTLY through land they own (the money from the vast majority of which is put straight into the treasury) than they take out with the civil list.

see Opportunity Cost, above, although it's still irrelevant to my point as you would have noticed had you, in turn, read my post.

Go and demonstrate in a thread about Richard Murdock or any other wealthy private citizen. They don't tend to go around on philanthropic missions.

Rupert Murdoch, i assume you mean. And the point is, Rupert Murdoch isn't written into statute. Rupert Murdoch does not have de jure constitutional authority.

[Radical Edward]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Well, considering that the lands owned by the crown put more money into the coffers of the treasury than is removed by the civil list...

I don't really see how that is relevant unless one can show that the lands owned by the crown only make more money than is removed by the civil list purely on the basis that the crown owns them.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Radical Edward

I don't really see how that is relevant unless one can show that the lands owned by the crown only make more money than is removed by the civil list purely on the basis that the crown owns them.

Whether or not the crown runs them well or not is immaterial.

The amount of money given to the monarchy by the civil list in 2003 was £9.9 million. A sizeable amount, but considering that the Crown lands gave £171 million directly to the treasury it's clear that this arrangement is beneficial to the economy of the country, unless you believe there is a 95% tax rate.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The amount of money given to the monarchy by the civil list in 2003 was £9.9 million. A sizeable amount, but considering that the Crown lands gave £171 million directly to the treasury it's clear that this arrangement is beneficial to the economy of the country, unless you believe there is a 95% tax rate.

I think his point (and Nod's earlier point) is that it's slightly strange to seperate "the crowns lands" and "the crown".

The argument you seem to be suggesting is that the monarchy would be abolished but "the crown" lands would be transferred (or retained by) to the Windsors and they would act as any other private land owners. If however, the state owned / managed the lands then presumably they would run them roughly as efficiently as "the Crown" so there would still be this internal benefit to the public purse.

My only remark on this that it amuses me that people can easily contemplate the idea of removing a thousand plus years of tradition, completetley changing the constitution of this nation yet the idea of taking away some private property from a wealthy family is still beyond the pale.

[Radical Edward]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Whether or not the crown runs them well or not is immaterial.

The amount of money given to the monarchy by the civil list in 2003 was £9.9 million. A sizeable amount, but considering that the Crown lands gave £171 million directly to the treasury it's clear that this arrangement is beneficial to the economy of the country, unless you believe there is a 95% tax rate.

I agree that whether the crown runs them well or not is immaterial, and I didn't. mean that. My point was, do those lands make over £9.9million (curse these german keyboards) purely by virtue of the fact that Her Maj is the owner, regardless of the efficiency of the management? Lets say that Richard Branson buys the whole lot, and keeps the same management team, but then no longer recieves the £9.9 million because he is not a royal. Would you saying that the lands would return less than £161.1 million pounds, purely because of that transaction?

[Nodrog]

Well its true; you cant say that the Queen provides a net gain until you consider the alternatives, for instance the boost the economy would receive from demolishing Buckingham Palace and building a shopping centre in its place (although admittedly we'd probably get less American tourists and the fast food trade may suffer).