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Unread 15 Oct 2012, 15:07   #201
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Re: Round 49 Stats

I can't remember the last round that both fr and de fleets were viable.
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Unread 15 Oct 2012, 15:11   #202
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Re: Round 49 Stats

heres a few calcs:

xan FI vs ter

xan FI vs cat

xan FI vs xan

xan FI vs zik

xan FI vs etd

the important thing to note is relative value of fleets. all of those, the deffer has significantly lower value than the attacker. not anywhere near perfect, or even decent, attack capabilities.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Putting aside for a second that a few of your calcs look unrealistic, I'm not going to deny the fact that xan fi really doesn't look that effective. Wouldn't be opposed to them getting a little efficiency bump.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Wraith:
Target Fi -> Co

Bomber:
Targets Co/Fr -> Fr

Guardian:
Targets De/Fr -> Fr/De
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Re: Round 49 Stats

just ignore this, just grumpy about the lancer and how much anti fi there is but nvm...
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Re: Round 49 Stats

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I can't remember the last round that both fr and de fleets were viable.
...last round?
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Re: Round 49 Stats

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Why did a waste a week of my time for this???
I said the same to Appoc yesterday. Who is going to make stats in the future when you have someone just changing everything about them?
A few AC/DC changes and emp resistance isn't a problem, but as soon as you start changing targets, you are starting to ruin the idea behind the stats. And that's not cool.

There were some interesting things in the original stat set, like xan needing siege, fr/de (finally) being weak and ter being the ter counter. Those stats could have been played without any problems. Unfortunately certain people influence Appoc for their own reasons (like wanting a specific race to be better or making a race better in a fort) and that's ****ing everything up.

You could basically have created a new set of stats to **** around with or, AND THIS IS THE BEST OPTION 4 DAYS BEFORE THE ROUND STARTS use a stat set from a previous round. It's beyond me why Appoc says himself he's too busy to make stats, then goes on and does it now anyway, in a hurried, half assed way. You seriously can't expect people to want to play a game where you got no chance to do any planning.

As soon as this round starts, new stats should be uploaded on beta and be worked on so they are actually DONE when sign ups start next round. Most of the fun left in PA is planning a strategy and then executing it. That is not possible with late sweeping changes like this.
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Unread 15 Oct 2012, 20:51   #208
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Agreed. It's a problem that seems to have gotten worse with time. The stats for round 16 were created 3-4 weeks before tick start and finalized 9 days before tick start. The stats for round 49 were chosen 8 days ago, overhauled 1 day ago and finalized today.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

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A lot of rage
In theory I agree that stats shouldn't be changed too much... that is unless they are really bad. The previous iteration of these stats, at least in my opinion, was.

re: your "interesting things;
- Xan STILL need siege
- fr/de(at least DE) is weak
- ter IS the ter counter (along with zik)

I truly don't think Appoco was influenced in a way this round to make a race good because a person wanted to play that race.

Hopefully next round we can finally re-use an old set of stats, going to push hard for that

Totally agree that next round's stats need to be started on early on in the round tho.
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Unread 17 Oct 2012, 11:28   #210
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Cathaar 58(13%)... i guess you're right 58 is a huge amount, my bad.
Looks like we're almost at 20%!
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Looks like we're almost at 20%!
thanks to dropping 0 loss def vs Cath, and to the fact they now only need to build 3 ships.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

I don't remember that. What specific changes are you referring to?
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Doesn't everyone have 0 loss def vs cat as its an emp race?? Just saying...

Only kill ship they have is mantis and that hasn't changed or what targets it...
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Re: Round 49 Stats

I would define 0 loss defense as "nothing in the attack fleet targets me", which does not exclude EMP.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Fair enough, tho 0 loss would mean you don't lose anything, your ships are not at risk... Pretty much describing defence against cat
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Can someone explain to me what the point with even having a ship called Spirit is? With all the changes in the stats, you left this in there to have zero use both on offense and defense, it's useless against other xans and the other races barely have any fi, and none of those fi target DE anyway. I can't believe we're going to play stats some halfwit clowns threw together 3 days before ticks start...
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Re: Round 49 Stats

I was not actually involved, but at some point I just gave up on De and pretty much ignored it. Just didn't see how it could be fixed, considering how little time there was left before round start. The Pegasus is almost as useless, except it has faking potential. In fact, I think the Bomber is the only good De ship in these stats.
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Pegasus shoots CO also though, which makes it a little better for def. I did talk to appoc while this was ongoing, and I was left with the impression he didn't have a clue what he was doing, changing targets of some ships without realizing the impact it would have for others. This is typical of something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if an EMP planet won this round, their efficiency is through the roof and they have a TON of t2 and t3, where as most races only have a few (xan has NONE). CR attack fleet looks like far and away the best way to go this round and there isn't really any race that can counter it..
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Re: Round 49 Stats

Pegs do shoot Co, but considering how good Cat Cr is, I doubt we'll see much of it around.

In a perfect world, Xan and/or Ter De would've been the counter to Cat Cr. Alas.
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Lots of caths <3
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anyone else thinks this is the most amazing set of stats of all times ?
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Not me, no. They're alright, but the weakness of De, the strength of Cr, and the overall lack of polishment of D/C and A/C prevent me from saying anything more positive than that.
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anyone else thinks this is the most amazing set of stats of all times ?
Please tell me that is sarcasm after you said you wouldnt play this set of stats....


And yes MZ DE is too weak.... tho i think FR/DE strengths are a fineline thing as you risk making Xan way too OP and Terran into unroidable planets...

And lack of AC/DC polishing is most likely due to the fact i had no prior experience making stats :/
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yes it was sarcasm
its an aweful defensive set, where a single fleet stops your attack, not even fakin is really possible, since there is so many free kill def ships around

i am not sure if ppl enjoy playing like this, i definately dont
and yes not playing would have been a blessing, however i am stuck in an active gal now and cant quit without anoying a lot of good ppl

i am sure your attentions were good kai, the outcome however is aweful
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And lack of AC/DC polishing is most likely due to the fact i had no prior experience making stats :/
That should've been a warning sign right from the start. That said, I don't think the unpolished effs can be blamed on you. I blame the lack of time.

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its an aweful defensive set, where a single fleet stops your attack, not even fakin is really possible, since there is so many free kill def ships around
If a single fleet stops your attack, then you're doing something wrong. Don't blame the stats for that.

As for faking being impossible, you're flat out wrong. I see a lot of opportunity for fakes. Xan Fi-as-De is very viable. Wraith + Illusion is another deadly combo if the opponent tries to defend with Lancers.

Zik can do even better once they've stolen Fi or Co pods. I had to cover for Fi/Co/Fr/Cr at one point and still almost got roided by a couple hundred Bs that were also in there, it turned out. Faking Corsair + Illusion as Cr is pretty scary, I've worried about my Widows on at least two occasions.

Ter De-as-Bs is not very good, simply because there's so many ships out there that fire before it. Co-as-Bs is a pretty basic fake; you don't get anything other than roids, won't kill anything, and it works only if there's no defense against you.

Cat faking is pointless, as always.

Etd Fr-as-Bs is only useful against Xans with their Bombers out, and even then you don't actually steal anything. Faking Pillager + Lancers as Bs against Cat Co is pretty awesome though. With a bit of luck, you get Mosquitos the first time it works, and then roids + Co on the remainder of your attempts.
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Hey Mz are you even playing ?
Cause from the theory this set may not look so bad.

However i have to admit i am in the unlucky position to be ETD, which seems to be the bottom of things here.

what you said about fakin i can not confirm at all though, with the exception of xan ofc, but with invisible ships, thats always possible.
and saying you can fake if this or that happens is no really an argument for if fakin is possible

i was talking to a lot of people and getting roids really is an issue if your not lucky or the other thing i wont accuse anyone of...
then again for ETD it is nearly impossible

syren sololey stop your BS, taras are very effective aswell, even pirate stop you and so do cutter as its piss easy to find fr flak. xan de does so aswell, just needs a lil de/fr flak.
the only possible targets are other etd and small cath or xan

and the fact that the other races, mainly cath, zik and ter do good is cause of the fact that roiding em is way too hard. for ter simply due to the fact that they hardly get incs (co/fi only options to roid em) and xan planets sux, while cath planets do better with cr
plus mostly 1 or 2 def fleets are needed, usually just 1

so overall a horrible setup for ETD
and a boring setup for anyone else cause roiding is just too hard

as i said million times before, PA´s motivation is strongly connected to the ability to roid and sololey roid.
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as i said million times before, PA´s motivation is strongly connected to the ability to roid and sololey roid.
Not for me, and not for many. It's based around the communities built up for mutual defence.
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Agree with you Shev, but roiding really is too hard this round.
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There's too many free def ships. This ST/MT crap is really not working out. Not to mention when appocomaster destroys the stats 3 days before round and doens't let anyone say or do anything about it....

Anyway Its really just a pain because these stats could have been good.
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Defending is too easy, mainly because there are too many no-loss def ships and many emp issues. Cath has 2 ships targeting EVERY CLASS. Try and compare Guardian and Roach efficiency, it's beyond a joke how much better Roaches are. Cath is about 20% better than they should be across the board and I can only imagine how easy it is to cover things with a little emp support.

Every single race has a CO that shoots fi except xan themselves so xans are pigeon hold'ed into mass spamming Phants. DE's are beyond a joke and fakes are too easy to cover for by anyone with a brain. Ter BS hit like a wet noodle and you can even cover pure Wyvern attack fleets with ghosts, which are by far the worst anti BS ship of the round. CR fleets appeared too strong at the start, but the universe has now adapted by building more anti CR than in usual rounds. In short, no-one is roiding consistently, irregardless of attacking noobs, clever fakes or other tricks.

All this has pretty much lead to a game where no-one gets roided, everyone is initiating even during war. Look at the XP page. #1 is a small xan that roids other xans and the rest are barely above 20k. We had a number of planets on 10k AFTER THE FIRST NIGHT! Most days I check Top Planet XP Gainers on KIA, the #1 guy is below 2k. Of the current top3, two of them capped over 50% of their XP on the first night and the 3rd is a guy that started the round as a cov-opper. XP is just impossible to play this round.

It was said already with Kaiba's stats that people would require team ups to roid anything. With the "fixes" from Appoc et al. now you even have to team up to roid noobs. It's not just stupid, it's borderline killing the round because what the **** fun is a war where no-one can roid anyone?

Eventually yeah, enough alliances will team up for a night or two and actually roid some app or fang or ult, but right now it's a total snooze fest. The other day we actually had all the top13 alliances GAIN roids...

Can we PLEASE get started on a new set already so it's not down to a sleep-deprived admin to make last min adjustments at 3am the day before the round starts.... And put the stats on the beta, announce it, reset it once a week. Bored people will play it and there will at least be some kind of testing before it goes live.
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There's too many free def ships. This ST/MT crap is really not working out. Not to mention when appocomaster destroys the stats 3 days before round and doens't let anyone say or do anything about it....

Anyway Its really just a pain because these stats could have been good.
ST/MT isn't the problem, it's 0 loss defense ships that have made this a very defensive round. ST/MT mix can work, but the stats have to be attack oriented which these have never been. Attack oriented stats are the only way this game is interesting anymore, there are simply too few players, and the ones who are still playing have too much experience and only build the correct ships.
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Defending is too easy, mainly because there are too many no-loss def ships and many emp issues. Cath has 2 ships targeting EVERY CLASS. Try and compare Guardian and Roach efficiency, it's beyond a joke how much better Roaches are. Cath is about 20% better than they should be across the board and I can only imagine how easy it is to cover things with a little emp support.

Every single race has a CO that shoots fi except xan themselves so xans are pigeon hold'ed into mass spamming Phants. DE's are beyond a joke and fakes are too easy to cover for by anyone with a brain. Ter BS hit like a wet noodle and you can even cover pure Wyvern attack fleets with ghosts, which are by far the worst anti BS ship of the round. CR fleets appeared too strong at the start, but the universe has now adapted by building more anti CR than in usual rounds. In short, no-one is roiding consistently, irregardless of attacking noobs, clever fakes or other tricks.

All this has pretty much lead to a game where no-one gets roided, everyone is initiating even during war. Look at the XP page. #1 is a small xan that roids other xans and the rest are barely above 20k. We had a number of planets on 10k AFTER THE FIRST NIGHT! Most days I check Top Planet XP Gainers on KIA, the #1 guy is below 2k. Of the current top3, two of them capped over 50% of their XP on the first night and the 3rd is a guy that started the round as a cov-opper. XP is just impossible to play this round.

It was said already with Kaiba's stats that people would require team ups to roid anything. With the "fixes" from Appoc et al. now you even have to team up to roid noobs. It's not just stupid, it's borderline killing the round because what the **** fun is a war where no-one can roid anyone?

Eventually yeah, enough alliances will team up for a night or two and actually roid some app or fang or ult, but right now it's a total snooze fest. The other day we actually had all the top13 alliances GAIN roids...

Can we PLEASE get started on a new set already so it's not down to a sleep-deprived admin to make last min adjustments at 3am the day before the round starts.... And put the stats on the beta, announce it, reset it once a week. Bored people will play it and there will at least be some kind of testing before it goes live.


Appocomaster upped Cat's emp eff by roughly 20% across the board with his ruining of my stats.

This annoys me because now its looking like i actually had the emp effs spot on before he stepped in.

Yes my stats required teamups and yes DE was wanky from the start but those are not solely things that kill the round.

When MY stats were handed in 90% of people in the beta channel and on here were happy with the targetting and emp effs so i truly dont understand why Appocomaster tampered with them at all.

Very fustrating because i end up getting my name labelled to this set when infact they are vastly different from how they were handed in.


I beleive my set had more gaps for roiding and that my sets lower emp eff removed some of Cath's now OP targetting. In hindsight i would have changed Xan a bit to make it more playable but i still beleive Xan is the most fine line race between being crap and OP.
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cath isnt op, xan is awful, the opinions of people in #beta should be ignored.
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make an initial set were roiding is easy then
and appoco wont be able to turn it into a 100% defensive set with a few changes

and for Shev, yes it is fun if you can defend your planet together with gal and friends, however its no fun if u know u wont be able to land for new roids, either to up yours or regain lost ones
so in the end, if i am not able to roid, i am not motivated to play aka arrange defence or anything
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Appocomaster upped Cat's emp eff by roughly 20% across the board with his ruining of my stats.

This annoys me because now its looking like i actually had the emp effs spot on before he stepped in.

Yes my stats required teamups and yes DE was wanky from the start but those are not solely things that kill the round.

When MY stats were handed in 90% of people in the beta channel and on here were happy with the targetting and emp effs so i truly dont understand why Appocomaster tampered with them at all.

Very fustrating because i end up getting my name labelled to this set when infact they are vastly different from how they were handed in.


I beleive my set had more gaps for roiding and that my sets lower emp eff removed some of Cath's now OP targetting. In hindsight i would have changed Xan a bit to make it more playable but i still beleive Xan is the most fine line race between being crap and OP.
In your set of stats every man and their dog, cat, mouse, whatever would have gone Ter BS and we would have ended up with this same stalemate of a round due to everyone having syrens. and as a result of 80% of the universe being Ter BS the ter's would effectively only have to build 2 ships (dragon and syren).
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I must disagree with those who think landing (even in teams) is impossible. The trick to landing in the face of zero-loss defence ships is for everyone to attack solo (in the alliance raids of course) - preferably taking two targets each. The available def fleets are used up on the first wave(s) leaving the later ones to land.

For the record, I've landed 14 attacks this round - all solo and all in the alliance raids (i.e. not n00b bashing). The one occasion I teamed up (with my Cr fleet) our team of 5 had to recall - go figure.

Of course, it does help that the best defence against my Co fleet can't make the ETA except in-gal.
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I must disagree with those who think landing (even in teams) is impossible. The trick to landing in the face of zero-loss defence ships is for everyone to attack solo (in the alliance raids of course) - preferably taking two targets each. The available def fleets are used up on the first wave(s) leaving the later ones to land.

For the record, I've landed 14 attacks this round - all solo and all in the alliance raids (i.e. not n00b bashing). The one occasion I teamed up (with my Cr fleet) our team of 5 had to recall - go figure.

Of course, it does help that the best defence against my Co fleet can't make the ETA except in-gal.
Quick math: You have 1300 total round roids, I will assume 300 of those were initiated. That means in those 14 landings, you have capped 1k roids, or an average of about 70 roids per landing. So you've pretty much landed on planets with only 3-400 roids. You've noobbashed your way to a tiny amount of roids, congrats. If anything, this just helps prove how hard it is for an active player to land roids on active planets...

Attacking solo being the solution.. "You went full retard, man. Never go full retard." CT
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Clearly another die-hard team player with a closed mind.

It's perhaps worth pointing out that most of the rest of CT members attack in large team-ups - none of them are ahead of me this round (yet). A few of those in "untouchable" galaxies will overtake me before too long though.

As for your maths - I'm splitting my attack fleet in two to take two targets in CT's raids. I never said they were the largest targets available in those raids. I wonder how your round is progressing? I only ask by way of comparison, you understand.
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just to put an end to the fact that this round stats are silly, how about nxt round?

I'd say . go with last round, or something alike in terms of attack options
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I agree with Amnion here, and I also always solo. I have landed 13 attacks successfully (and a number unsuccessfully). Massive teamups are a waste with 0 loss defense, better to force them to spread the fleets out. Honestly you don't even need a big attack fleet this round as there are lots of 0 loss attacks (assuming no defense) as well. This makes a small attack fleet that chews up defensive slots more effective then mass teamups that only need a few defense fleets to cover.
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Ticks Roiding: 31

I've landed more than Amnion & Monroe combined.. I also feel that teamups are not necessary this round.

However I admit around 90% of those lands are via the bottomfeeding technique...

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I've landed more than Amnion & Monroe combined.. I also feel that teamups are not necessary this round.

However I admit around 90% of those lands are via the bottomfeeding technique...

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You can land 3 attacks in a tick and it will still only count as one
Then I've landed a lot more!!

I have also been landed on my a lot of solos and such

Today for example lose nearly 1.5k roids
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And initted over 800 roids less than 100ticks ago...
I dont even want to think about they payback chanse you had on those roids...
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