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mist · 13 Oct 2004, 21:53

planetarion's stated policy is that they do not shuffle a round unless it is absolutely neccessary, or words to that effect.

however, i see another thread about here, in which every poster suggests that one IS absolutely neccessary. yet, pateam seem to disagree.

so, this isn't about wanting a shuffle, it's about why there wasn't one. simple question really.

i can see many plus points to one:
makes one form of cheating less 'profitable'
sorts out all those gals that don't have the right number of players (which you're using as a defence - why?!?)

minus points:
someone has to write shuffle code.

i can see a few others, such as was raised by kal when he mentioned planets that've been paid for by gals on the assumption that they'll still be there. however, this is entirely of pa's only causing as they didn't mention a shuffle early on, so i don't believe counts - plus it seems like a good way to get more paid planets, if you pay for someone before the shuffle they'll stay there :P

so... why no shuffle pateam?

-mist

JC · 13 Oct 2004, 21:57

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Originally Posted by mist

planetarion's stated policy is that they do not shuffle a round unless it is absolutely neccessary, or words to that effect.

Is this a new policy because i dont remember it ever being around while i was?

Which rounds have we had were there hasnt been a shuffle because i am struggling to remember any that i played in without a shuffle? As far as i'm concerned a shuffle has always been part of the start of the round and there is no reason not to have it when you consider the possibilities of cheating as well as empty gals that come with no shuffle.

Nadar · 13 Oct 2004, 22:16

PA Team is just sitting there chit-chatting.. PA gets our money and when a huge majority of the customers wants a thing they should follow it. Most of them are volunteers indeed. But if the volunteers can't do their work they should indeed step down. Their work is to make the community happy, isn't it?

mist · 13 Oct 2004, 22:22

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...1&postcount=46 for this round, i may have missinterpreted it to mean others as well, if so appologies although hardly post destroying

-mist

Gerbie · 13 Oct 2004, 22:27

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Originally Posted by Nadar

PA Team is just sitting there chit-chatting.. PA gets our money and when a huge majority of the customers wants a thing they should follow it. Most of them are volunteers indeed. But if the volunteers can't do their work they should indeed step down. Their work is to make the community happy, isn't it?

The fact that most people that are complaining want a shuffle is hardly surprising. There's not much to complain about if you are in a galaxy with 10 active planets. I'd like a shuffle, though it's a bit late to anounce it now.

I can't believe they messed up the galaxy system like this. But i've seen stuff like this before. Priv gals. Completely messing up ships stats when all that is needed is a little tweak (ow they did it again). Weird formula that allow extreme score gains.

The current ship stats will cause problems. People will complain and ask for mid-round changes. Mark my words.

Ah well, it's just a beta.

Nadar · 13 Oct 2004, 22:40

Gerbie, shipstats is something you can look on and predict a lot better than this

jerome · 13 Oct 2004, 23:36

no matter how they/you word it, it comes down to laziness by the pateam basically.

Veil05 · 14 Oct 2004, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Blixxard

Righto. There will be NO shuffle.

There is little to gain by shuffling. Any new accounts signing up will get put into the empty spots, unless a new gal is created.

little? however, there is still something to gain, if im paying to play something i atleast want a chance to do well

i think tick 50 we should delete all planets who have been inactive, reshuffle 5 priv/5randoms(paying/none paying)

few gals maybe 1 player short, but it a fair thing to do.

Tactitus · 14 Oct 2004, 02:35

That reminds me: did anything ever come of their solution to handle inactives?

Gerbie · 14 Oct 2004, 04:58

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Originally Posted by Tactitus

That reminds me: did anything ever come of their solution to handle inactives?

They did implement some strickt rules for that. I almost got deleted myself.

Lord_Thunderball · 14 Oct 2004, 06:18

I don't know. But how hard can it be to make that shuffler.

1) You make a statement which deletes all the inactive's since tickstart (assuming you do it around tick 50).

2) You select all randoms that signed up to this game and take them out of the galaxies they are in.

3) You make a statement which inserts a planet into a private galaxy, and you perform that for every random that you've put outside the galaxies.

Things to concider:

1) Selecting the randoms, random out of the big list (Else people can still cheat a little)
2) Selecting the galaxies random, else 1:2 get's his 6,7,8,9,10 peon first, should be devided random.

Things to take care off:
Fill first the #6, then #7 then #8. If that means that all gals have 9 players... Then that's ok.. Cause all gals will have 8/9 players. More fair then 6/10.

If randoms are left, nobody will shout if they are put in one gal together.
All new signups are dumped random into the game in a priv galaxy with an open spot.

Gerbie · 14 Oct 2004, 08:44

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Originally Posted by Lord_Thunderball

I don't know. But how hard can it be to make that shuffler.

1) You make a statement which deletes all the inactive's since tickstart (assuming you do it around tick 50).

2) You select all randoms that signed up to this game and take them out of the galaxies they are in.

3) You make a statement which inserts a planet into a private galaxy, and you perform that for every random that you've put outside the galaxies.

Things to concider:

1) Selecting the randoms, random out of the big list (Else people can still cheat a little)
2) Selecting the galaxies random, else 1:2 get's his 6,7,8,9,10 peon first, should be devided random.

Things to take care off:
Fill first the #6, then #7 then #8. If that means that all gals have 9 players... Then that's ok.. Cause all gals will have 8/9 players. More fair then 6/10.

If randoms are left, nobody will shout if they are put in one gal together.
All new signups are dumped random into the game in a priv galaxy with an open spot.

I don't think they stored who was random and who was not. Aparantly the only thing stored was whether there is a key on that galaxy (and which it is).

Zo0f · 14 Oct 2004, 10:12

All that means is you remove all planets 6-10 from keyed galaxies, and 1-10 from non keyed galaxies and shuffle them through the keyed galaxies. If there are still some left over, put them into 10-15man random gals. (10 if 15 isnt possible, either way a full random gal is killing their round)

Mek · 14 Oct 2004, 10:15

sumthing has to be done...theres only 3 galaxies with 10 players in in my cluster, about 5 of the remaining 7 have only 5 players.... get your finger out pateam

Stifler · 14 Oct 2004, 13:57

how about something like this:

what about all gals with no password get moved to c100+ and the planets 6-10 in password gals also then shuffle gals c100+ into the lower gals

A2 · 14 Oct 2004, 14:05

Once a galaxy has been opened and is able to accept randoms there is no password stored for it. A galaxy of 5 or more players can be either 5 private people waiting for randoms, or 5 random players. Once a gal has been opened it can't be determined which it is.

Tactitus · 14 Oct 2004, 15:21

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Originally Posted by A2

Once a galaxy has been opened and is able to accept randoms there is no password stored for it. A galaxy of 5 or more players can be either 5 private people waiting for randoms, or 5 random players. Once a gal has been opened it can't be determined which it is.

So rather than, say, a bit to indicate whether it's open or not, you just zero the password and make it look like it never had one?

You know, it's really not a good idea to throw away information like that. :/