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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 16:36   #1
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To help all the small galaxies, we have decided to do this:
1: At any time, a private galaxy can be made OPEN by having the GC change the galaxy password (Politics) to a blank password.
2: At 22.30 GMT, a new option will be available on the Preferences screen, which is a One-Time Self-Exile. This feature costs no resources or anything, and will only work once. It only works for planets in Protection. It will try to find a bigger galaxy for those who use it, which means all active planets in the universe has a chance to come to a better galaxy. There is no guaranatee, and no way back, once you have exiled, you have to play where you are.
What it says below seems not true (Thank God) read down for A2's reply

To get things clear:
1) To help all randoms, they get placed in the first biggest gal with an open spot.
2) The big gal, who already was lucky with his active randoms, gets even more active randoms
3) If the biggest gal, deletes his 5 randoms, and coordinate's that, known players exile at the same moment, they can create a 10 ppl private galaxy?

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Nope, because they're then a galaxy with 5 spaces in it.
Ehhh.. 1 by 1? In the same tick.. Score updates after tick..


This right? Or do I make a mistake?

One nice thing.. We can also fill up big gals, by exiling our noobs
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 16:43   #2
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

uhuh...brilliant plan isnt it


oh...wait...


edit:
also - if are in a 5 priv gal with 0 randoms, you wont get alot of active randoms either...as your gal isnt 'big' (in any way)
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Ididnt think of it that way. I hope youve made a mistake......please tell me hes made a mistake
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 16:48   #4
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

possible ...

it depends on how "find a bigger galaxy for those who use it" is coded.

bigger could be
- bigger in gal score
- bigger in gal roid count
- bigger in number of active planets
- bigger in coords :P

i really hope, all the 0-roid-planets and all never-logged-in-since-tick-start-free-accounts
get deleted BEFORE the self exile option will be activated.
i don't think, moving such planets around the universe is worth the ressources
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3) If the biggest gal, deletes his 5 randoms, and coordinate's that, known players exile at the same moment, they can create a 10 ppl private galaxy?

This right? Or do I make a mistake?
Nope, because they're then a galaxy with 5 spaces in it.
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

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Nope, because they're then a galaxy with 5 spaces in it.
Ehhh.. 1 by 1? In the same tick.. Score updates after tick..
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

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To help all the small galaxies, we have decided to do this:
1: At any time, a private galaxy can be made OPEN by having the GC change the galaxy password (Politics) to a blank password.
2: At 22.30 GMT, a new option will be available on the Preferences screen, which is a One-Time Self-Exile. This feature costs no resources or anything, and will only work once. It only works for planets in Protection. It will try to find a bigger galaxy for those who use it, which means all active planets in the universe has a chance to come to a better galaxy. There is no guaranatee, and no way back, once you have exiled, you have to play where you are.
Can we assume that if a galaxy has 5 private planets already that step one is not needed?
What DO theu mean by "bigger galaxy" - we have 5 priv and no randoms atm.
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Can we assume that if a galaxy has 5 private planets already that step one is not needed?
Step 1 is an optional step if you have fewer than 5 private players in your galaxy. As soon as the 5th private player has joined your galaxy it is opened whether you like it or not and available to accept randoms.
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Ehhh.. 1 by 1? In the same tick.. Score updates after tick..
Now where in any of this have we said it would be done by score?
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

I asked if that was right.

If it isn't. Answer it isn't. And we can close those options I mentioned above. Just want to have that clear, that's about it.
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It's done on the basis of number of spots available in a galaxy. Galaxies with 1 spot will be filled up first, then the ones with 2 spots, then 3 and so on and so forth.
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

K, very very good to know! I mean, saves a lot of confusing.

So I gotta exile my inactive's 1 by 1.
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

Surely it shold be filled up backwards to that, ie those with only 5 in , then 4 in etc, so that the gals with 5 actually have a chance of being able to get randoms in..
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

So what in fact your saying is your gonna help the little gals by giving the big gals free riegn over whos gets in the gal i mean seriously this is bullocks. everyone with 10 guys in there gal is exiling 1 as we speak and then when that one gets filled exile another and another until they have a great gal. all the time us priv gals who didnt get a single random to date are sitting clicking the gal screen hoping weh get a noob at the least .
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

full ack!

PA-Team should think about this "great" idea, of filling up big galaxies first... If they do so, they even should have made complete private galaxies possible. But with this "shuffle" this game will be unbalanced and unfair!
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Nah, i'll just wait till all 9 planet gals are filled up.. Then I exile my 10th guy... And ask my active random m8, to exile.. Where will he land?????
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Brilliant, just brilliant... Let's make the weak weaker and the strong stronger.
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****ing brilliant. I'm stuck with my 5 man gal whilst other gals trying to do well will get a 10 man gal?

HOW IS THAT FAIR?
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A2 has (apparantly) got it wrong. Quit overreacting.
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Surely it shold be filled up backwards to that, ie those with only 5 in , then 4 in etc, so that the gals with 5 actually have a chance of being able to get randoms in..
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I dont think just a2 got it wrong i think PAteam got it wrong so time to see the overview screen go well shuffle hasnt worked out as weh had planned stay tuned more info to come on friday
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

[18:41] <xontas> just talked to spinner
[18:41] <xontas> [19:38] <Spinster> but doing it opposite makes it possible to create private gals for 10 ppl
[18:41] <xontas> [19:38] <Spinster> not just possible, but easy
[18:41] <xontas> [19:39] <Spinster> And that, we do not wish
[18:41] <xontas> and tbh i agree
[18:41] <xontas> we are gonna do it this way
[18:41] <xontas> and thats the final word on it
[18:41] <xontas> this might not be a nice solution
[18:41] <xontas> but we dont have a better one
[18:42] <xontas> for the reson above
[18:42] * xontas sets mode: -m
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They are not changing it.

Hence, there will be lots of 10 man gals, and lots of 5 man gals.

I dont understand how doing it the opposite will mean lots of private gals. And I also dont understand how its fair that I am stuck with a 5 man gal, and other as active gals get 10 planets.

And they wont listen to reason.
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To help all the small galaxies, we have decided to do this:
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To help all the big galaxies, we have decided to do this:


Well, lets wait n see :-)
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

If I had known that this round was not even going to start on a level playing field, let alone proceed through the round with a fair shake for all - there is no way in hell you would have my 10 dollars.

Someone, for the love of christ, explain why people think they can create private gals by filling 5 person gals first. People are exiling randomly to get placed in these galaxies. Despite the low playerbase, the odds are ridiculously low.
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I am thinking one of 3 things will happen now.

1) PA Team will really mess up and leave it as it is.
2) they'll change it, but not tell us to try and save face.
3) They'll change it and admit they were totally wrong.
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If they won't change it, they will **** this round up.... Thats what I mean. galaxies with 9 active ppl don't need the 10th, but 5 ppl need at least a 6th or 7th

But they are afraid of private galaxies. What do they think of the "exile one by one"-Trick to get a REAL private galaxy?
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Well guys your just absolutely amazing...no seriously your amazing. How can it really be that dificult to fill up the smaller galaxies first.
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Well guys your just absolutely amazing...no seriously your amazing. How can it really be that dificult to fill up the smaller galaxies first.
Precisely which people would exile from their galaxy of 6 or 7, in order to go to a galaxy of 1-5 though?
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Precisely which people would exile from their galaxy of 6 or 7, in order to go to a galaxy of 1-5 though?

Take a proper look at the Universe please..... have a look at those planets in galaxies that are clearly active but many others in that galaxy are not active......there are plenty of them.

So if you filed up from the smaller galaxies first they wouldnt be 6 or 7 for very long would they .

And to help it along even better stop putting the new sign ups into galaxies that already have 7,8 and 9 members.
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just an idea but why is the self exile even there?

surely the problem here is with galaxy that have less than 10 people in, so surley the way to dop that is to take all gals that have less than 5 people in put them in a pot an re assign them to the gals that have less than 10 people in. ideally u should end up with most gals having the full 10. people cant self exile so cant attempt to form totally private gals.

before doing this delete all accounts that havent been loged into since tick one as at the end of the day if a person isnt active at the begining of the round probs the most important part then they not going to be active full stop, this will mean that any active players stuck in non active gals will probs get moved into more active gals anyways.

in the off chance that some people do end up in a gal of 9 semi/non active players and them selves that is there own fault for not joining a priovate gal in the first place, why should the rest of us suffer coz of there lack of organisiation. the ruisk u take by going random is that u may end up with a bunch of inactive or the top gal in the game thats the gamble. u cant complain if u get the first of the two.
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

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We understand our suggested solution is not really a good solution, and so we ask for a little more time to try to find a better one...stand by...

How about: take all #9's and #10's and devide them over the universe. Go for 8 ppl max galaxies, maybe increase then when most galaxies are full. (We now have ~400 galaxies and 2945 players (74% filled).)
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rofl and i was worried the pa-crew wouldn't **** anything up this round =)
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rofl and i was worried the pa-crew wouldn't **** anything up this round =)
heh, one thing you dont have to worry about is that :/
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

Think its better for them to do nothing at all !
Before round they said there wont be any shuffle (which was the biggest mistake they could have done), now they cant remove planets from gals that have been lucky (or cheatin or whatever) having 10 more or less active ppl in it.

We should simply live with the situation...... its just pa as we know and like it :-)
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

what is wrong with 5man gals eod, 3man priv+2 randoms? :/

Why won`t you people realise random rounds will never work unless it`s a] full random with shuffle b] the random-ness doesn`t have as much influence on a gal being good as much as the private part ie. this round/last round.
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 22:10   #37
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Think its better for them to do nothing at all !
Before round they said there wont be any shuffle (which was the biggest mistake they could have done), now they cant remove planets from gals that have been lucky (or cheatin or whatever) having 10 more or less active ppl in it.

We should simply live with the situation...... its just pa as we know and like it :-)
Do nothing at all means some gals got 5 active randoms, some gal got 1-2 active randoms and rest shit and rest of the gals didnt get any randoms...

How fcking fair is that?
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 22:18   #38
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they should have just announced a shuffle to begin with...
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they should have just announced a shuffle to begin with...
indeed BUT there is no NEED mix
now they will piss some one off whatever they do. but u cant help loving em
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

omg... so basically if you have 5 people only now you'll never get more in? smart guys... cuz we all know there will NEVER be enough sign ups to fill those gals... this is seriously BS..

why not change max limit of a gal to 5 or 6 or 7 then? so atleast the smaller gals who already have it harder might still have a chance?

i knew you fked up... but are you guys trying for a record every round again?:/
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omg... so basically if you have 5 people only now you'll never get more in? smart guys... cuz we all know there will NEVER be enough sign ups to fill those gals... this is seriously BS..

why not change max limit of a gal to 5 or 6 or 7 then? so atleast the smaller gals who already have it harder might still have a chance?

i knew you fked up... but are you guys trying for a record every round again?:/
Exactly, they should lower max planets per gal so it gets as equal as possible. But I guess PA team aint familiar with the word fair for all :/

What are you gonna do with the poor gals of 5 who doesnt get ANY randoms at all?
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Re: Shuffle Announcement

Regarding the latest shuffle announcement: Can the shuffle please be done at tick 48 ? It`s so much more convenient and also, allows one to get "used" to one` galmates early before the roiding begins etc.

Or is this because the shuffle can`t be coded before tick 72?
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I had a long discussion with Spinner earlier, pointing out the unfairness and the alternatives to it, and it seems they have taken note of that. So Well Done me
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Unread 14 Oct 2004, 23:49   #44
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I had a long discussion with Spinner earlier, pointing out the unfairness and the alternatives to it, and it seems they have taken note of that. So Well Done me
Not really, the new system is no better. It still leaves all the decent paid randoms in a small amount of galaxies - filling the rest up with scan planets and inactives isn't going to change anything about the base unfairness of starting with 5 active players as opposed to 8-10. Though well done for at least reducing the chances of blatant abuse the other system inherantly had.
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A big improvement nonetheless.

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