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Unread 6 Jan 2005, 01:19   #1
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www.planetarion.com

Last post was over 2 months ago.

Newbie thinks...wow...my mate who told me to come to this site must need his head examined. Fecking place mst be dead, nothing happening in over 2 months!

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Re: www.planetarion.com

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Nice to see the hive of activity
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Well if it isnt Mit
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Re: www.planetarion.com

the portal is a bit of a problem atm yes, of course there will not allways be regular announcements as there is not allways something to announce, but we could and should have more of the in game news type things that kloopy posted before tick start, we just need some nice active slaves...
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could be more active yes
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tbh I havent even gone by the url for ages
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Re: www.planetarion.com

winning gal was 22:5
not 22:2:5

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Re: www.planetarion.com

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we just need some nice active slaves...
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Re: www.planetarion.com

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of course there will not allways be regular announcements as there is not allways something to announce
The round finished only a few weeks ago, i think that is generally something worth announcing on the portal.

P.S. Hi Mit, long time no see .
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Re: www.planetarion.com

Indeed JC, I've been lurking and reading occasionally... bit too busy to do anymore thou.
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the portal is a bit of a problem atm yes, of course there will not allways be regular announcements as there is not allways something to announce, but we could and should have more of the in game news type things that kloopy posted before tick start, we just need some nice active slaves...
The portals always a problem Its just messy, crowded and doesnt really offer what the community wants or needs. The portals were great when they were unoffical and could serve the players but as they became official they became too restricted and failed to offer what the community wanted. And this has got worse and worse as times gone on.

Also the fact they insist on redoingt the portal every couple of rounds doesnt help. It doesnt bloody matter what the codes like, its the contents thats the important part and rather than spending all the time doing the coding and design they should just be looking to settle on a code base and a nice clear design that will last for years so that the content can then be the area thats everyones focus.

The portal becomes little more than a place for PR/Propaganda from PATeam and Jolt or a place for people to have bragging righst that they are a portal columnist. Back in the days of Planet101 being run by coffee people wrote columns because they wanted the wanted to inform people of intresting game related events at their planet or in their alliance. As soon as its official all the 'limelight hunters' started crawling out of the woodwork just so they can have their name on the portal and on the whole the columnists end up posting complete and utter drivel thats unreleated to the game and is of little intrest to anyone.

I mean lets look at some of the current columns

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Radical Masculinism. (bring on the column wars!), posted at 08:41 on Thursday 16th December 2004
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Not totally relevent BUT does falls into the Sci-Fi/Fantasy Bracket that this game also does and which on the whole intrests the players. This is the kind of Off Topic posts that we should have.

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Its a waste of space and a waste people visiting it. It might be hard to find people who can write columns that are relevent but if thats the case then maybe there shouldnt be columns, or maybe it should be less strict about columns so anyone can write one at any time and publish it on the site (obviously being ok'd first) rather than have people who just write unreleated rubbish that a handful at most are bothered about.

The new community project, The PAWiki has the right idea. Its providing a load of intresting information for players in a easy to navigate way .Its not about saying "LOOK AT ME I'M IMPORTANT' but about producing something as a community for the community. Its something the portal should be taking lead from, witha few additions to the PAwiki (A News sectiion for example) it would beat the portal in every area and is exactly waht the portal should be
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the portal is a bit of a problem atm yes, of course there will not allways be regular announcements as there is not allways something to announce, but we could and should have more of the in game news type things that kloopy posted before tick start, we just need some nice active slaves...
Or a more active PA-team
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Re: www.planetarion.com

The portal is very much the face of Planetarion. It's importance relays on fresh announcements and a nice design.

At the beginning of round 12 Kloopy and myself decided to work on it. The idea was that I would produce the design and graphics then Kloopy would put his column code over the top. As one of the main desires was the columns and that it should be easy to update. However with one thing and another the code never got added to the graphics so Planetarion.com amounted to a portal from pre-round 10.

I can assure you (and do everything in my power) that next round will see a whole new portal. A new splash and the Jumpgate.

The splash page will be a few links pointing where to go and a brief sentence or two on what Planetarion is about.
The Jumpgate is something new. It is a mini-site that explains to new people what Planetarion is. Listing it’s features, screenshots, where to sign up and how to get started.
The Portal will be the portal. Perhaps a little smaller and without the columns.
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Re: www.planetarion.com

well there is a lot of useless things on the portal but the polls are ok as long as it doesnt stay on the same one for months on end but then again wouldnt it be easier to lob the polls with the rest of the polls in discusion boards.
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Re: www.planetarion.com

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I would never have noticed those columns if i had not read your post here
I totally agree, more news and announcements, less spam.

I also thought the portal announcements and the forums announcements section were linked, but i find posts in either of them that do not appear in the other. That shouldn' t happen. What's so hard about putting the forum announcements on the portal? We had several that never made it there so thats why the portal looks inactive and outdated. You always talk about making the game attractive to new players, yet can't even do the smallest and least time-consuming steps towards it?
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Re: www.planetarion.com

There will be more news as soon as it comes along, I'm going to make sure of that from now on.

The columns are there for ANYONE to submit to, you are all welcome to write something and submit it. As long as it's not something that offends anyone, ie porn, racist material or foul language etc I will post it up.
Columns are there for general articles on any subject, there are sections for PA and other areas of interest which again you can freely submit to.
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What is with the the awful portals which something thinks is a great idea? Every attempt at one has failed in some way, or it gets totally redesigned for the next round without the previous one being finished.

Their formula seems to be something like:

Poll which never gets changed + Columns which are updated once then never again + Ancient news + Sections which never work = Great website which everyone must visit!

Drop everything which isn't essential. Just have a www.planetarion.com with two things - an updated news page and an 'about' section. The 'about' section can be used as an advert for the game with links to the forum/game/manual/etc, something similar to this maybe (but without the flash!).

Planetarion isn't a news/blog website which people visit, its a game. Wasting time on a portal which people aren't bothered with anyway is just pointless. Sure, create a nice website which describes what Planetarion is and how it works, but don't turn it into a full portal.
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IF i was the one in charge of the game id be doing the following with. The site structure would be

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And no I havent forgotten the Portal, its intentionally not there as I dont think its needed

Splash Screen - We need a slick, stylish and professional looking spalsh screen that looks appealing and gives off the idea that its a professional company and thus a cut above everyone else. Fer.ion is a good example I think

Forums - The forums are vital as a community tool. They can also be a perfectly adequate way of news delivery system just like in days of old. In fact using it to delivery news would help bring players to the forum which is something we could do with more of. If players dont come here to read news they sometimes never come here, where as if they do they sometimes read threads and contribute. This is good for the community which is good for the game

Jumpgate - This sounds a great feature for the game and is exactly what is needed.. Something like newage3.com or star.sphere.net would be ideal. It should ideally be iun the same style as the Splash screen BUT as i will go into more detail below could even replace the splash screen

Manual - The game obviously need a manual bit it needs slimmed down. Its simply too bloated and theres too much pointless stuff in it and that can make finding what you need hard. If some of the other stuff is needed maybe it can be split slightly so its not masking the important info

Dev - To make up for losing spinner column where he can keep people informed of whats going on development we could a blog type system where regular development updates can be posted. Perhaps it could be done as another forum under announcements. Also perhaps some other people could be giving access to it if its done this way, for example Kal is heading up a development team to look over some ideas so perhaps he could have access to post whats being discussed there.

PAWiki - This should be advertised on the site BUT should retain its indipendance. This is the type of project thats by the community for the community and is very useful. I mean lets be honest really in the grand scale of things PATeam and Jolt are insignifican because without the community their roles are pointless. As such we need things like PAWiki which involve the community again and keep them intrested more. If PATeam/Jolt were to try and do it themselves but with some controls it would just stiffle it and kill it as has happened numourous times when things that are community projects and should have remaind community projects became official


Alternativly it could go to a SS type setup of
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This is a structure many online games take, however many try and go too portally, much like PA does or too "My first homepagey" so it either gets swamped with rubbish or doesnt give off a professional feel. It needs to remember to KIS like SS does. It should have links to Forums, Manual, Devblog, PAWiki and probally then links to an About page, the news(announcemnet forum), screenshots, feature list ect

Either way the important part is that things stay relevent, it looks professional and isnt too overwhelming and that it gives a way for the community to feel like they are doing things by things like the PAwiki and by getting people onto the forums WITHOUT interfering in a way that kills these 'community' movements.


Now I know theres a few problems with the idea in generally for example
  • Professional look from unprofessional people. Those doing the design and graphics are going to be hobbists or people who are in education with the view of going into that industry. They simpky wont be able to produce a look like youd get from these big commericial online games such as those produced by CCP, Sony ect ect BUT it doesnt mean you have to plump for the first person and the first design. If its not perfect the problems should eb pointed out and work on fixing them started
  • Jolt. I know they like control of things and arent going to be happy with things which are more community based like the PAwiki being given too much of a prominat place but hopefully they can look and realise that the game relys on the community and can see that anything which motivates and involves them is good even if perhaps their attitudfe seems anti jolt and as such can give things like this a chance to really serve the community

but it streamlines things and keeps them relivent and brings the community into play which is good
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I agree with you wakey, though it would be nice if the pawiki had a shorter and simpler address that people could actually remember. For example we could point something like community.planetarion.com or wiki.planetarion.com at it, though for that to be done it would have to be made very clear on the site that it is a community project not controlled by jolt or PA Team. etc
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Re: www.planetarion.com

pa linking directly to it would seem the first step to it becomming unofficially offical, which seems rather a kiss of death.

that said, i hate splash screens. their main function seems to be to get between me and where i want to go. as such, i'd much rather have a 'useful' front page.

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It should have links to Forums, Manual, Devblog, PAWiki and probally then links to an About page, the news(announcemnet forum), screenshots, feature list ect
The forums, manual, news and an about section (with screenshots, feature list, etc) are essential.

Have to agree with mist on the wiki. Leave the wiki alone and let the owner of it buy a different and unofficial domain for it. Pretty much anything which Planetarion touches to make it into an official or semi-official feature tends to get run down and dies.

Also a devblog is most likely going to end up like the current columns section? Why not just get one person responsible for posting a development update to the news every 2 weeks or so? Not like the so called community newsletters which used to be full of crap, but something to inform people whats new in the game and what will happen soon. If you seperate development updates and news you'll get something like the current news page (just one update since October).
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The wiki is slightly differnt to the forums. The forums are alot more in the middle ground as they are a community tool but they are run and operated by Jolt. The wiki is seperate, its on a differnt server and isnt ultimatly under Jolts control. At most all they would probally have control over would be the domain.

And I feel that to be fully useful it has to be more visable, otherwise its a bit of an elite tool whos use is restricted to a few rather than all. And the wiki relys somewhat on peoples input so the userbase being restricted isnt that good for it
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GReaper, I'm not saying hand over any kind of control over to them as i've said interference from them would potentially ruin it BUT it needs a wider audience which its never going to get in a word of mouth situtaion. Even if it got a motd listing it would soon be forgotten (just look at the way forum posts go up when anytthing non it is linked in the motd but goes back down again when its not brought to their attention)

As I said in my post community projects should stay community projects BUT that doesnt mean that Jolt and PATeam cant advertise it by giving it a link in a visable place.
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The portal has always been a huge waste of time and resources. Wakey's idea is definately the way to go.
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It’s a nice that everyone is taking an interest.

But honestly, there will be a portal and the trimmings! (Cinderella shall go to the ball)
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The point is Blixxard no-one wants a portal or needs a portal. Everything a portal does can be handled in other ways which are more community building friendly thus freeing up those working on the portal to be invested in more useful areas (For example if you dont have Portal grfx's to sort out every round and if my second variation was used and their wasnt a spash screen either you would have fewer graphics to do and thus more time to make sure that those ones you do have to do are that much better and thus make PA seem that little bit more polished and professional which always makes people more comfortable handing things like credit card details over)

The portals been in around for nearly 10 full rounds now and every round they try and push the community onto the portal and its never worked as theres never any real hook. Its time to give up and work on areas that sell the game like the Jumpgate seems to be aiming to do.
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Re: www.planetarion.com

Splash has been done. (will touch up when I have time)
Jumpgate has been done.
Portal gfx have been done, it is just awaiting code/content.

Let me get on with it, and you shall see when it goes online.
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Portal is abit pointless since all the information needed is give to people either on IRC or via the in game MOTD.

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ugh you mean your going to take away the nice current portal graphics?

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i want my round 3 skin for next round blixxard, or i'll hunt you down!
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Jumpgate has been done.
Portal gfx have been done, it is just awaiting code/content.

Let me get on with it, and you shall see when it goes online.
I'm not totally sure how that's a retort. I can't see many people in favour of any portal that is related at all to the content users are faced with at the minute, no matter how much time you spend on new GFX and backend code.

Why not just give us a rundown of what the hell's going to be on this portal we're to wait for and then get some feedback before making another waste of space of a site that noone does or wants to visit? You know, instead of making the portal without any community consideration and then having to spend the next two rounds justifying choices made?
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Could you perhaps give us the name of a PATeam member who does?
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Re: www.planetarion.com

blixxard has done all the non-portal graphics asked of him for now, so why should he not make www.planetarion.com look nice. the current portal was allways an interim solution, something that looks good and gets updated should and will be in place before the next round.

blixxard is the only person working on the portal atm and he is only using his spare time on it, so it is hardly a waste of resources or anything, lets just wait and see what we get.
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Planetarion has been around for 4-5 years and no portal has survived more than a couple of rounds. We'll see what happens with this one.
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I can assure you (and do everything in my power) that next round will see a whole new portal. A new splash and the Jumpgate.
Fortunately this is not a statement that has been made for 6 or 7 rounds in a row, nor was I myself promised that we would have a graphically attractive portal shortly after the start of this round, when I pointed out that we had reversed to what is the worst portal Planetarion has ever seen in it's entire history
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are you being sarcastic or...? the current portal isn't very 'nice', neither was the round3 skin all that..heh
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Theres nothing wrong with making the page at www.planetarion.com look nice but at the same time whats the point of a nice looking page that is of no intrest to anyone and doesnt really serve any kind of service. Current players have no use of it and potential players arent really sold by it as its not really clear what it is.

I find it hard to believe anyway that theres nothing that could be being done instead, be it getting input on the graphics from others and using that to improve them or any of the other tasks that seemingly take up so much of PATeams time that they dont have time to do much community management. And frankly how long is it goig to continue that your going to flog this dead horse. With the jumpgate site being developed its not the perfect time to make this change produce something useful, move resources to where they are useful and increase the use in the more useful areas of planetarion. If its not taken now we no doubt resign the game to a r13 with more redesigns for a r14 portal being done and no doubt many more redesigns through the rounds to come
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what's this jumpgate site?
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what's this jumpgate site?
Well i'm only going from this thread but it would seem to me to be the kind of thing any kind of portal for the game should be, a basic introduction to the game primary for potential players. It would include a brief intro to the game, screenshot and feature lists

Its very much like my alternative site structure (ie the way SS has it) BUT even more focused on introducing the game to potentalplayers rather than the SS structure which acts more like a launcpad to the various useful areas of the game
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New players dont want to read through the crap that infests the portal, have a nice simple splash page which wont put off anyone.

afaik the only people who ever wanted a portal were the pa team who were obsessed with it when it serves no real purpose. Annoucements on the forums was always the way to go as it lead to players getting into the forum conversations and would often draw them furthur into the community.


anyways www.useit.com a great site for website usability perhaps someone from the pa team could have a skim through it.
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