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Unread 9 Nov 2007, 08:50   #1
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game down - why?

The game will be closed from 7.00 GMT Friday until 6.00 GMT Saturday. A roll back to tick 145 @ 6.30 GMT has occured. Sorry for all problems caused.
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Unread 9 Nov 2007, 09:02   #2
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Re: game down - why?

idd... an anouncement of some kind would have been nice.

I saw all attackfleets were recalled.. I stressed badly cause I was certain I launhced before I went to bed, but when I got on they were in base
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Re: game down - why?

the fleets being recalled was the bug not the action taken afaik
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Re: game down - why?

ay, think so also..cause def fleets were flying
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Re: game down - why?

If they ruin my attack (or my incomming if i have any), im gonna bend appocco over a table!
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Re: game down - why?

i my news i saw my attack fleet launched and never recalled, but all attack fleets were at home?!
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Re: game down - why?

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Re: game down - why?

so are all fleets gonna be recalled?
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Re: game down - why?

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Re: game down - why?

Good to see PA team throwing their official downtime procedure out the window.
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Re: game down - why?

I doubt this error was ever expected to happen, and isnt covered by their guidelines, all attack fleets back at base but all def fleets still flying is actually a 1st in all my years, and i've seen some really great errors
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Re: game down - why?

Yes it is covered by their guidelines and whether this particular error was foreseen is immaterial. The point of the downtime procedure is that it covers any error regardless of its predictability.

There are 2 contingencies in the downtime procedure:

1. A problem that causes less than a tick of downtime. No Rollback, No Recalls

2 A problem that causes more than a tick of downtime. 24 hour downtime with rollback and fleet recalls.

This is rather obviously the second contingency, yet no fleet recall. How many times has PA team done the 24 hour recall with fleet recalls even though it seemed excessive just because it was procedure?

WTF changed now?

And yes, I would benefit from a fleet recall, but hey, ive been roided before and I will be roided again. All I ask is that If PA team change the downtime procedure they announce it instead of arbitrarily changing it during a downtime. The whole point of having the procedure was so we would all know what to expect. That is completely out the window now.
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Re: game down - why?

it was an error that would posssibly have caused 1 tick of downtime ... while the error was fixed

so by that rule it should have been contigency 1 that would have been put in place, but that would mean continuing onwards with no attacks out and defences running !

at which point i think the universe would have rioted, alliances would be up in arms and for the 1st time in a long while everyone would have been unhappy with the outcome.
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Re: game down - why?

1 - game rollback - check
2 - no portal - check
3 - sod all accounts - check
4 - no activity on a PD thread about the game going down from pa team - check

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it was an error that would posssibly have caused 1 tick of downtime ... while the error was fixed
But it didn't cause less than one tick of downtime did it?

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so by that rule it should have been contigency 1 that would have been put in place, but that would mean continuing onwards with no attacks out and defences running !

at which point i think the universe would have rioted, alliances would be up in arms and for the 1st time in a long while everyone would have been unhappy with the outcome.
Appacco could have chosen contingency 1, but he didn't.

He chose contingency 2. And once he chose to bring the game down for more than one tick, he committed himself to a recall according to the downtime policy.

He chose to ignore that policy instead.

I am not saying the downtime policy is a good policy. Or that from a game perspective Appacco made the wrong decision. That is very debateable.

But how can you deny that they are violating policy? They initiated the rollback procedure and ignored the mandatory recall.
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no what i'm saying is if they had followed policy everyone would be *beeped* off
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But it didn't cause less than one tick of downtime did it?



Appacco could have chosen contingency 1, but he didn't.
No no, it is important to be entirely correct, Appoco, instead of using the downtime procedure, did in an attempt to make himself more popular (how is that possible) let a handfull of players in #alliances and #planetarion make the decision for him, who cares about routines in a matter like this!

It's not like you should expect the game to follow its own procedures when dealing with errors in the game that have been caused by shoddy coding.
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no what I'm saying is if they had followed policy everyone would be *beeped* off
I can see that perspective. The way I saw it, if the results of letting the game run were unacceptable, he had the option of bringing the game down for 24 hours with a rollback and recall. I think that would still have satisfied the policy, but doing a rollback without a recall appears no where.

Maybe the policy just isn't adequate, but I seem to remember other downtimes, where a rollback was needed and a recall was done, even though a recall didnt seem necessary based on the specifics of the case but it was the procedure so it was done. I'm just curious what the reason is things changed this time. Is the rollback procedure kaput? What should we expect in the future?
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Re: game down - why?

Now we will have 2 kind of attackers:
- the happy ones, eta4 at restart
- the anxious (if not unhappy) ones with eta5 or higher, thinking their targets have an extra 24 hours to sort out a def with gal mates or ally (depending on eta)
A fleet recall should have been ordered to prevent it (in addition to the already mentionned fact that it is the procedure).
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Re: game down - why?

Yeah, that is what really gets me, instead of being persistant and sticking to the downtime procedure, they just decided to screw it and go with another approach. These random acts is not the way to build a good game, and an understanding for their handling.
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Re: game down - why?

If the policy is flawed, change it, don't just ignore it.
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- the anxious (if not unhappy) ones with eta5 or higher, thinking their targets have an extra 24 hours to sort out a def with gal mates or ally (depending on eta)
On the other hand, the game has been closed for the last 24 hours so it's not incredibly easy for people to organise defence unless the incoming has already been noticed and logged.
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Re: game down - why?

True, but I'm thinking more people will make the effort to login at restart, just to check their planet, fleets, res and cons... I'm guessing people on their IRC Gal Chans will have asked everybody to login too.
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Re: game down - why?

That's irrelevant though. They would/could do that if the 24 hour downtime hadn't happened as well. The main point is that up-to-date information is not available. Thus scans, fleets, missions, incomings, these should all be unaccessible during the downtime. Which they are. The only thing people can do (and this is unsolvable, insofar as it's a problem at all, which I'm not yet convinced of) is use already open pages.

Fact is, downtime will always be good for some and bad for others. One day it's bad for me, one day it's good for me. However, I've never felt that downtime has seriously influenced my luck. Maybe because it really hasn't, maybe because I don't feel the need to point the finger to some external cause and say "see, that's why x went wrong, it's not my fault at all".

That said, adherance to existing policy (and change thereof, if needed) would go a long way toward minimizing fingerpointing.
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Re: game down - why?

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That said, adherance to existing policy (and change thereof, if needed) would go a long way toward minimizing fingerpointing.
Now there we can agree.
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Re: game down - why?

I'm disappointed that this is now the second ****up with the game so far this round and it hasn't even been a week. First the combat engine problems, now this.

Why are these problems occuring on such a regular basis?
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Re: game down - why?

I wouldn't exactly call it a ****up, to be quite honest. Sure, they could probably have handled it a little better, but overall, no one was really hurt.
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