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28 Mar 2009, 15:49
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
The Asc 'model' worked fine in DLR and more alliances should probably try loosening up.
But I don't see it working as well in most, simply because the calibre of the players isn't high enough.
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28 Mar 2009, 15:52
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
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Originally Posted by Gate
The Asc 'model' worked fine in DLR and more alliances should probably try loosening up.
But I don't see it working as well in most, simply because the calibre of the players isn't high enough.
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Seeing how they just lost their "best average" score thingy, wich i would guess was one of their goals this round, it seems to me that it didnt work very well, if that was their goal.
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28 Mar 2009, 15:58
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by _Kila_
There are people who step up and take responsibility, do politics, raids etc.
The lack of titles such as DC, BC and HC just mean that anyone can step up to do it when they want, and it provides far more efficiency. When there are defcalls, in regular alliances you have just the DCs dealing with them and they're often incredibly secretive in their own channels. We have, literally whoever the **** wants to, stepping up and taking the calls, doing them in #ascendancy and therefore having the input of everyone who is around rather than just "the supah 1337 secret cru" who are in the DC channels.
As for attacks, yes it's usually the same people organising our raids but that tends to be because a. others can't be bothered and b. the people dealing with politics may have specific targets in mind. The shared sense of responsibility and lack of BCs who are expected to sort stuff encourages people to sort their own day raids and launch/recall missions in wartime.
I think this was epitomised when we fought Omen before CT dropped the NAP; we didn't just have "BCs" setting up attacks, we had dozens of people making sure that everyone who entered the channel had fleets moving, with different people setting up teamups and defdraw missions all over the place. Spreading the load makes it so much easier.
The only thing that may be a little harder to get involved with is politics because you generally need to discuss it with those who are already involved and see what they are doing/have done and tell them that you want to contribute in some way. And these people will be completely open with you if you ask them what's going on, because secrecy is shit.
You're making it sound like we're cocky and think this round has been easy. It hasn't, it's been damn hard and a load of effort has been put into it.
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In my experience in ND over the last dozen or so rounds, things are ultimately pretty similar. The only difference is asc seems to do everything in one channel while ND has separate channels. And it's not Munkee who is making you sound cocky, it's many of your posts/posters.
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28 Mar 2009, 16:18
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: London
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Seeing how they just lost their "best average" score thingy, wich i would guess was one of their goals this round, it seems to me that it didnt work very well, if that was their goal.
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Regardless of whether we finish with top average or not, we've had a very enjoyable and productive round. If we'd really wanted, we could've coasted to top average and very probably top planet and top gal (Asc were willing to offer us a NAP to end of round). In the end we took a risk in an attempt to stop Asc walking to top ally and, obviously, it was a bad decision as far as our rankings go.
Saying our structure didn't work very well because we might not finish with top average is ridiculous. If we don't finish with top average it's because we overestimated the ability of any alliance challenging Asc for number 1 when we chose to start actively hitting them.
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28 Mar 2009, 18:17
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Gate
The Asc 'model' worked fine in DLR and more alliances should probably try loosening up.
But I don't see it working as well in most, simply because the calibre of the players isn't high enough.
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But what if the loose hierarchy and full access for everybody raises the caliber of the players?
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28 Mar 2009, 18:35
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Banned
But what if the loose hierarchy and full access for everybody raises the caliber of the players?
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Most allies cant be loose, cause you have people sending out intel continuesly. Ive seen it way to many rounds how people that wanna join ascendancy does everything they can to help them while theyre in another ally. Giving those persons complete access would just ruin things even more.
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28 Mar 2009, 18:51
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Poblacht na hÉireann
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Treating people as untrustworthy is the best way to make sure they act that way. Not to mention the fact that you are crippling 90% of your playerbase's ability to contribute for the sake of stopping the flow of potentially harmful information to 1 or 2 people.
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28 Mar 2009, 18:51
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Bi-Winning
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: nfi
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
doesn't work in all alliances sadly, would be nice if it did though.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=195554
i'll just leave this here as an example.
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28 Mar 2009, 19:17
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Achilles
Treating people as untrustworthy is the best way to make sure they act that way. Not to mention the fact that you are crippling 90% of your playerbase's ability to contribute for the sake of stopping the flow of potentially harmful information to 1 or 2 people.
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28 Mar 2009, 19:20
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Propaganda Chief
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Under the Rainbow
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by V*Messiah
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lol, this is a TOTALY diffrent case
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28 Mar 2009, 19:29
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Bi-Winning
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
lol, this is a TOTALY diffrent case
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How so? if anything it's just emphasizing Nestorn's point that everyone having complete access is not always a good thing.
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28 Mar 2009, 19:54
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Join Date: Aug 2001
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by V*Messiah
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HC access in game really isn't needed for that many people, bc with full access for that level gives you nearly all the power except kicking/removing people
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Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
Those damn emp races..
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28 Mar 2009, 20:03
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Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Nestorn
Ascendancy is each round replacing theyre poor ppl or quiters with active top notch players.
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28 Mar 2009, 20:35
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Bi-Winning
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
HC access in game really isn't needed for that many people, bc with full access for that level gives you nearly all the power except kicking/removing people
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thanks for pointing out the obvious
albeit i was just emphasizing nestorn's point the fact is there are people that play this game that are not the type of people you would want to give any sort of control too, the players which make up ascendancy are obviously experienced players that have played the game for ages and have multiple vouches from people that currently make up the player base, most other ally's live with the new/returning players on top of the few that come back round after round. this is why that style of alliance setup actually works for asc but may not work for everyone else.
tbh i don't think the alliance setup has anything to do with ascendancy winning the round, i think it's more down to the hard work they have put into it topped with the experience that they all have.
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28 Mar 2009, 20:53
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Join Date: Aug 2001
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Nestorn
Ascendancy is each round replacing theyre poor ppl or quiters with active top notch players. The other allies become farming places for them.
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That's so far from the truth its not even funny, I could find a list of people that have left us just from last round and it would be like 10 people who finished top100.. The key is asc makes a good player better, I've seen pretty often how a player leaves and then next round does much worse. True for all those that left for omen this round also, except tekno and tobbe
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Golan - Ascendancy
Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
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28 Mar 2009, 21:20
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by V*Messiah
the players which make up ascendancy are obviously experienced players that have played the game for ages and have multiple vouches from people that currently make up the player base, most other ally's live with the new/returning players on top of the few that come back round after round. this is why that style of alliance setup actually works for asc but may not work for everyone else.
tbh i don't think the alliance setup has anything to do with ascendancy winning the round, i think it's more down to the hard work they have put into it topped with the experience that they all have.
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asc doesnt recruit by vouch ,
our recruitment is based on a proposal system now before that it was fruity
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28 Mar 2009, 22:31
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Bi-Winning
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: nfi
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by gzambo
asc doesnt recruit by vouch ,
our recruitment is based on a proposal system now before that it was fruity
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so the fruity system isn't just an elaborate name for the vouch system?
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28 Mar 2009, 22:33
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by V*Messiah
so the fruity system isn't just an elaborate name for the vouch system?
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No, before you got put forward by an Asc member and instead of prop voting, you had to wait for a certain period of times for people to basically debate whether that person should join, if they cared enough. Which is fruity.
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28 Mar 2009, 22:39
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Bi-Winning
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: nfi
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by lokken
No, before you got put forward by an Asc member and instead of prop voting, you had to wait for a certain period of times for people to basically debate whether that person should join, if they cared enough. Which is fruity.
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28 Mar 2009, 22:48
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BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by V*Messiah
in essence it's just the same though
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No because now we objectively score rather than gaging opinion. It also increases participation as its easier to just vote. If the essence is allowing all members to have input into recruitment, then yes. But that's what Ascendancy is all about. The system has made it more inclusive, thus conducive to our aims.
I was initially against it, but in the long term it seems to be working.
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28 Mar 2009, 23:06
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Seeing how they just lost their "best average" score thingy, wich i would guess was one of their goals this round, it seems to me that it didnt work very well, if that was their goal.
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We had a hell of a good time and could easily have fenced to best average and maybe top planet/gal too. Most DLR players know they are of outstanding quality, they have nothing to prove.
We tried to make the last week fun. It didn't work out as everyone decided to donate Asc as much salvage as possible, but who cares? We took a gamble that didn't pay off, but I had a brilliant round and loved my gal and ally.
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But what if the loose hierarchy and full access for everybody raises the caliber of the players?
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I don't see why it should but it might be worth giving a shot. But I don't think it'll work anywhere near as well for most other allies though.
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29 Mar 2009, 00:58
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Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Achilles
Treating people as untrustworthy is the best way to make sure they act that way. Not to mention the fact that you are crippling 90% of your playerbase's ability to contribute for the sake of stopping the flow of potentially harmful information to 1 or 2 people.
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I dont disagree with you on that m8, but you have to understand that some people always comes with false intentions. And unless you know they do, they will bring you down.
In denial last round we had several ascendancy fanatics that did everything they could to sabotage Denial. If those had intel, DC status etc god knows how much more havoc they could have created.
But as i stated in the start, i agree with you as long as you know the ones you play with. And i doubt anyone joining ascendancy joins them to sabotage it, altho i might be wrong
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29 Mar 2009, 01:00
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
That's so far from the truth its not even funny, I could find a list of people that have left us just from last round and it would be like 10 people who finished top100.. The key is asc makes a good player better, I've seen pretty often how a player leaves and then next round does much worse. True for all those that left for omen this round also, except tekno and tobbe
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My bad then, sorry for assuming wrong
And its quite understandable when it comes to doing worse once they leave asc, since ascendancys defense is one of the finest.
You cover fakes and real way better than any other ally. Omen comes on second. My experience this round has been that CT planets were by far the easiest to get roids from. While asc was close to unlikly and omen pretty tough
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29 Mar 2009, 02:56
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
That's so far from the truth its not even funny, I could find a list of people that have left us just from last round and it would be like 10 people who finished top100.. The key is asc makes a good player better, I've seen pretty often how a player leaves and then next round does much worse. True for all those that left for omen this round also, except tekno and tobbe
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asc doesnt make a good player better, if anything, asc is somewhere u go to ensure urself a topspot.
Fact is, only one alliance can arrange proper waves anymore, and that ally is asc.
I remember some rounds ago, when me and elviz had some top spots in diff. alliances. Gal pwned, and we both were pretty much def leeches. Only ally we worried about was asc. Rest is so fking easy to cross def vs / self cover.
Theres no shocker that elviz was happy to stay in asc after I ( jbg invited alright ) him to asc. He will stay asc, cause asc is THE alliance to be in if u consistantly wish to get a big planet, cause no one will attack u.
If I wanted a top planet for next round, no doubt I d rejoin asc and just roid nubs 24/7
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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29 Mar 2009, 10:26
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Gate
I don't see why it should but it might be worth giving a shot. But I don't think it'll work anywhere near as well for most other allies though.
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The system includes everyone and makes them more enthusiastic to play for the team. Team players are better than selfish ones (duh!)
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29 Mar 2009, 11:14
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Zotnam
The key is asc makes a good player better, I've seen pretty often how a player leaves and then next round does much worse.
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that surely is all about context, this round has been much harder than the last for those who left asc (and those who stayed)
I am much shitter in this round in asc than I have been in any of my previous rounds outside asc, ive played with similar activity levels etc.
The only reason that Asc would make a good player better is that its actually enjoyable to be in rather than just stress
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29 Mar 2009, 13:51
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
He will stay asc, cause asc is THE alliance to be in if u consistantly wish to get a big planet, cause no one will attack u.
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What.
Everyone in ascendancy has had loads of incoming this round.
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29 Mar 2009, 22:44
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Honestly, most of your intel is gonna leak anyway, so might aswell let everyone see it.
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29 Mar 2009, 23:12
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UK
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I think ascendancy has made PA better not worse, and the system they use is unique in bringing something different to the table. Other alliances should learn and try something new as well, it could go horribly wrong but it could work out a treat.
I think they only reason people complain about asc is:
1) They're a threat
2) Behavious of some Asc members (on forums/EoRC etc)
3) Elitism
I think only #2 is an issue.
I was hoping after college to try building my own PA Alliance tools if I can find time over summer and presuming my university course isn't too time consuming. Ascendancy is beatable, the other alliances are just going the wrong way about it, which is why next round I'll probably have an idle round scanning or just play for a small alliance unless a big alliance really shows some kind of new enthusiasm and ideas to how to challenge asc (pretty much the reason I joined Omen this round).
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29 Mar 2009, 23:37
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Cochese
Don't let JBG fool you, we eat babies.
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Speak for yourself, filthy baby eater!
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Originally Posted by Linkie
Honestly, most of your intel is gonna leak anyway, so might aswell let everyone see it.
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This. (Hi Omen!)
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Join Date: Sep 2000
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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I ain't heard no fat lady.
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i'm with this guy ! if this were friday morning - but it isnt ! the fat lady is still silent !
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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i'm with this guy ! if this were friday morning - but it isnt ! the fat lady is still silent !
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Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
While we are at it, i feel there are congratulations in order for ROCK, xVx and hirr. They assisted Asc mervelously to the win, yes?
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
I agree. Surely Asc have fallen for HR's cunning plan!!!!!!!!112
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We will be hitting HR tonight with our full military might, to prevent the cunning plan you evidently have knowledge of from threatening our fragile score lead. Nevertheless, with this change in politics, I reckon we have a 2% chance to still be #1 at round end.
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Poblacht na hÉireann
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
That kind of baseless optimism is the reason we got into this problem in the first place.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Well, to clarify, at the start of the round Rock HC paid sod all attention to politics, and decided to work with Asc simply because it looked very much like nobody else would. The decision was taken because it was agreed it'd be more fun to be on the smaller side of the likely block war than the larger one. I can't speak for hirr or xVx, although I can say that hirr wanted originally just to work with Rock on attacks because both were having difficulty organising gal raids on ever-increasing galaxies. Our affect on the eventual outcome has been minimal at best.
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They may not have dont much, but they did all that was needed to be done. Without going into all the minute subtleties of how one alliance can assist another, i think its safe to say if these alliances where on the other side of the fence, things would have been harder.
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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1 Apr 2009, 03:14
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Having nfi of how Asc's politics played out this round (as frankly I could give a shit) I think Tommy's post was well worded, and well put. Pos rep for enjoyable reading.
Seeing as Vgn is all emo quitting since they failed miserably at winning the round by ensuring Asc lost, I guess you'll be ****ing off to somewhere else then JungleMuffin?
If not, send me a forum PM. I'd love to hear just precisely why you're so bitter. It can't be because of your shit planet, because mine's even more crap than yours, and I'm quite content with my e-penis.
*Edit* Not going to change that, but would like to say it's nothing personal JM. I hate most all PA players equally, which is why I'm not playing another round. Just very, very curious as to why you all KNEW Asc could win an unprecedent 3 in a row, and could not combine the rest of the PA universe against them to prevent it...and not only that, go on to bitch and whine about it on the forums. Again, nothing personal JM, you just happened to catch me at a bad time. My point, and post, remains with that in mind.
I'd pos-rep you just to show I'm really not trying to be a dick, or single you out, but I've already given you some pos rep, and must "spread it around" before I can do it again :/
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1 Apr 2009, 05:57
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
While we are at it, i feel there are congratulations in order for ROCK, xVx and hirr. They assisted Asc mervelously to the win, yes?
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hirr thanks you for the kind words, but realistically, I don't think we did much. Our primary goal was to align with ROCK and work with them. Since they were aligned with Asc, and given the political situation at the time, we felt it was best to NAP them too. At the time, Asc seemed to have most of the universe arrayed against them in some form and seemed like the underdogs. hirr can't resist throwing in with the underdogs. Maybe we were wrong in our assumption, and Asc was probably never in as much trouble as we thought, we all just came back this round and knew little of the politics and history of recent rounds, but we have no regrets and are happy with the choice we made Most of our joint raids were with ROCK. We did have a few planets join Asc raids here and there, but our overall contribution to the war effort was pretty small and probably didn't have any real effect in the long run
That said, we were very satisfied with the cooperation we had, both with ROCK and Asc. Good people all around. A+, would work with again
Also, let's not forget, hirr's real contribution to the game is not over yet. The next couple days will see if hirr will have an impact on the galaxy or not this round hirr will be soon bringing war to some alliance's doorstep. We look forward to meeting some more of you on the battlefield, don't let us down PA universe! No one wants sad and mopey lemmings wandering around
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
They may not have dont much, but they did all that was needed to be done. Without going into all the minute subtleties of how one alliance can assist another, i think its safe to say if these alliances where on the other side of the fence, things would have been harder.
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Yeah, Asc would have had yet another alliance donate huge amounts of value in crashes. As it was, most of Rock's value has at some point or other been donated to Asc's enemies. If we were really in a position to make that much of a difference to the round, we wouldn't be trailing Orbit by 30m.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Originally Posted by Cochese
Seeing as Vgn is all emo quitting since they failed miserably at winning the round by ensuring Asc lost, I guess you'll be ****ing off to somewhere else then JungleMuffin?
If not, send me a forum PM. I'd love to hear just precisely why you're so bitter. It can't be because of your shit planet, because mine's even more crap than yours, and I'm quite content with my e-penis.
*Edit* Not going to change that, but would like to say it's nothing personal JM. I hate most all PA players equally, which is why I'm not playing another round. Just very, very curious as to why you all KNEW Asc could win an unprecedent 3 in a row, and could not combine the rest of the PA universe against them to prevent it...and not only that, go on to bitch and whine about it on the forums. Again, nothing personal JM, you just happened to catch me at a bad time. My point, and post, remains with that in mind.
I'd pos-rep you just to show I'm really not trying to be a dick, or single you out, but I've already given you some pos rep, and must "spread it around" before I can do it again :/
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Im actually not bitter in any way shape or form. I dont believe ive bitched or whined on the forums, either. I believe ive done my best to fight my chosen enemy for the round, unfortunately i wasnt in the position to do that with my planet untill the round was over, so used the forums as an alternative battle ground.
Regardless of people thinking that the forums have no impact whatsoever on PA politics, it is somewhere where other opinions, arguments and facts cant be put forth and made accessible to particular individuals who may not have access to them otherwise.
As for VGN emoquitting, i think youll find noone worth their salt, emoquit. We had several shipjumpers, as is the case with any alliances, and several dead weight members, as is the case with any alliance. As for ****ing off at the end round, i will evaluate things as i do every round, and base my decision on several factors.
JungleMuffin doesnt **** off..... he GLIDES. Whooooooosh.
If it helps to answer your question at all, ive had no representative from other alliances contact me, have not contacted any other alliance, am quite happy with Vgn, and appear to be tolerable enough that members arent leaving en mass, because of me. Though, the round isnt quite over yet
As far as my crappy planet this round, i will state that my individual planet ranking was low on my list of priorities, untill the other reasons i played this round for, fell by the way side, ie 3:1.
Tbh, i dont quite care if you chose to be a dick or not, ive become somewhat used to it over the space of this round. As far as im concerned, ur post has no relevance to me, or my opinions, other than that im your chosen target for a dose of hormonally imbalanced sensitivity.
Tommy & HyperionHK: We could argue woulda coulda shoulda till we both turn blue in the face, but i think if preticks, Asc had a choice of having any of those alliances fighting with them, rather than against them, i believe theyd rather with. My point of the original statement is i believe its polite to thank your team mates, regardless of how little/much of an impact they had.
Soz, cbf with too much grammar, but hope that addresses your questions.
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Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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1 Apr 2009, 11:55
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
I think Cochese was referring to VGN disbanding because Ascendancy are going to win the round...
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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11:1:22 (Ter) Score: 268696 Value: 179296 Size: 120 Nick: zhil Alliance: Ascendancy
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
What Kila said.
"Hormonally imbalanced sensitivity"?
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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That's so far from the truth its not even funny, I could find a list of people that have left us just from last round and it would be like 10 people who finished top100.. The key is asc makes a good player better, I've seen pretty often how a player leaves and then next round does much worse. True for all those that left for omen this round also, except tekno and tobbe
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Im gonna end over 100% lower ranked than last round as it is now.
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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Im gonna end over 100% lower ranked than last round as it is now.
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If you would have stayed with me your chances would have been 100% better (right )
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Another, in my opinion, well deserved win Ascendancy. As most of you know I'm your biggest fan!
Just as a side note, Wish I personally did more to try and stop Ascendancy, but it's kind of hard!!!
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
How does crashing class as trying harder
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
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When its a tactic used by 6:9:3 and friends, with the aim of one of them, achieving the round win.
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Actually it was a lemming run to highlight the rediculous salvage this round and also a tactical decision to force elviz to go FI/CO!
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Ubi concordia, ibi victor
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
Well Played Ascendancy, fully deserved Victory!
Now for next round do something New and Innovative, you seem to more and more turn into the monster type alliance Ascendancy first was created to oppose?
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Re: Congratulations Ascendancy
You are mistaken.
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