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Unread 3 Oct 2012, 14:02   #51
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

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this is actually not that easy to do. as you can only have 1 donation in 8 ticks and that donation cannot take you over the alliance average score. also, to donate from galfund to a big planet ingal is impossible due to you having to be below galaxy average to receive any kind of donation.

added to that, the limit of 50mil res donated from galfund to planet in any 200 tick period makes what you said, all but impossible.
It's very easy. We could have done some serious abuse there this round. We didn't. But it's open to all gals, especially the big ones. All you need is a late starter/smaller planet in gal. The planet won't grow because the resources donated go the gal fund straight away. From there, it goes to a bigger planet (still below gal average, but for our gal this round, that meant just outside the top30 for most of the round...), this planet grows 500k, further adding to raising the gal average. Trust me when I say, even with 2 small planets in gal, it was very easy to donate to people. We could even have donated to the 2 terrans in gal that finished 2nd and 3rd respectively about 200 ticks from the end if we had wanted to.

http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=view...=2&history=All

Check out the jump Cardi made from the 27/08 to the 28/08..

http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=view...=8&history=All

12/09 to 13/09 on Figjam. He got a full donation when he was top50.

http://kia.cthq.net/index.php?p=view...=3&history=All

02/09 to 03/09 Hello top20.

This is all without the (ab)use of alliance donations. Appoc assured me it would be 100% legal if we wanted to do it though.

If you bothered doing the math, a donation of 1.5 mill each every 8. tick adds up to 112 million total over 200 ticks. Gal limit is 50 mill. Insane difference. So any alliance can pump 112 million resources every 200 ticks into a specific gal if they want to. In a full round, that REALLY adds up, without even accounting for the benefits you get from having more ships.
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Unread 3 Oct 2012, 14:44   #52
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

how would you get so much res in to the alliance fund? baring in mind ally tax is 5% max and any planet can only donate 2ticks worth of res every 24 hours. tbh, as i write this i realise you would just use the same method as is used to over stock the galfund.

this is a good plan, someone should do it.
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

It'd be a sad day when this feature if removed from the game, especially seeing as it is available to EVERYONE
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

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this is a good plan, someone should do it.
That is usually how it works. Someone uses it, and then the monkeys start screaming, because by god we didn't play like that 20 rounds ago and neither should you be allowed to! and then it's nerfed.
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Unread 3 Oct 2012, 17:02   #55
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That is usually how it works. Someone uses it, and then the monkeys start screaming, because by god we didn't play like that 20 rounds ago and neither should you be allowed to! and then it's nerfed.
luckily, "the monkeys" are not bright (thats why we all call them monkeys). so, just come up with something else they are too dense to spot
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

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how would you get so much res in to the alliance fund? baring in mind ally tax is 5% max and any planet can only donate 2ticks worth of res every 24 hours. tbh, as i write this i realise you would just use the same method as is used to over stock the galfund.

this is a good plan, someone should do it.
You'd be surprised, the taxes in Apprime were constantly 4-5% since I joined at pt 400 or so. There was no need to use the trade bug, resources got sent out fast enough that the fund was never close to the limit, but at the same time it never ran dry. Loads of donations going out to random small xans who in return didn't mind suiciding Apps on defense.

Apparently Cardi did boost his gal in the way I described in a previous round, but I got no way of verifying it and it seems they lost anyway.

Personally I don't actually like to exploit stuff, and the last time I did it gal wide _nothing_ was done to change the parameters anyway (see http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=198588 ). So it was an exercise in futility. Strangely enough Hut didn't mind the donation stuff going on in 6:6, heh
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

if you keep donating to a planet, at some point you wont be able to donate to them anymore as they pass the alliance average. for most alliances this is quite low, for ultores though it could be abused as their average is a lot higher... to maybe just ban ults from doing it :P
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Surely gm is just about donating to a planet at the right time...
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

Poor Kileman.
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If it's moved to the incoming scan, I see no reason whatsoever to keep it on the JGP as well. That's just creating extra work for no purpose.
remember that the first few hundred ticks are generally inc scan free
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If it's moved to the incoming scan, I see no reason whatsoever to keep it on the JGP as well. That's just creating extra work for no purpose.
difference is, that if its on FA scan then planet must do the I scan himself and therefore needs it to be researched.. while if it stays on jgp, then everyone can jgp the planet and get the info..

id love to see this feature only on FA scan, since then it also needs some effort from the players themselves as well to notice the incs that they are getting, not just forget about the scan research and let ally scanner do it for em.. and planet needs to be active to spot it, not rely on someone else
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

The amusing part of all this is that this "feature" was (presumably) introduced to make life easier for the "less active". In reality, it will actually only benefit the actives.

That's what we always see with ill-conceived and hastily implemented changes.

When will we learn to stop changing things just for the sake of change - or to see what will happen "because it can't be worse than leaving things as they are"? (Don't answer that).
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So you want people to do well and not be on at 3am, yet you want to make people be online at 3am to organise or send defence.
No, people who are on at core times will always comparitively well compared to those that aren't.
What I want, is it not to be mandatory to be online at 3am

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It's defence that separates good alliances and players from bad, not attacks. Defence is also what makes players socialise with others, another thing you claim you want.
It wont do any damage to the defence by having pl not show.
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Haven't you heard, Forest has already made a lolblock next round, so sending defence won't be an issue, making defending hard, however, is very important for him!
Haven't you heard that Forest has a lil' baby and if Forest spends much more time online, his missus might wtfpwn his arse?

I have said it on irc and I will say it here now, I am 95% certain not to play next round, and if I do, it will likely be allianceless with a xan planet with the sole intention of doing politics and nothing more.
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Haven't you heard that Forest has a lil' baby and if Forest spends much more time online, his missus might wtfpwn his arse?

I have said it on irc and I will say it here now, I am 95% certain not to play next round, and if I do, it will likely be allianceless with a xan planet with the sole intention of doing politics and nothing more.

i can't count on my fingers how many times i've read that you are retiring for good.... yet here you are
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did i just say i was retiring for good?
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I quite like the idea of having the exact tick on the inc scan
But on the jgp it doesnt give the exact tick but rather...

* between 1-3 ticks till the fleet launches / goes red
x 4 ticks + till the fleet launches / goes red

to ensure that there is some randomness in the event of trying to get Pled defense

which only requires a jpg every tick to discover when it goes red and know its eta 3 on higher than 3 prelaunches, might as well have the exact number there.
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Don't put it on inc scans. Put it on a scan after aus and make it do you can't see if they have they scan
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Don't put it on inc scans. Put it on a scan after aus and make it do you can't see if they have they scan
Thats a very interesting idea. I like it....
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did i just say i was retiring for good?
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At least I am trying to make the game more fun
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You're kidding right? This game is at its peak! These changes are awesome, and I may even pay for a credit!
The only thing that's missing for me that I'd really like to see is on "History" page, a link to all your previous round ranks, perhaps some search function to look up other peoples as well, and a comparison for that added bite of competition.

Edit: Not to mention two of my suggestions being implemented, which makes me feel all warm n fuzzy that I'm contributing ideas to this game!
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There's this: http://beta.planetarion.com/history/history.php

Not exactly what you meant, but all the info you're looking for should be on there.

P.S. Appoco, you should really move that to www.pa.com.
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Re: Round 49 Change Log Reaction

Yeah i know the information is there and available, i just wanted it to be more personalised and you can see 1 specific player's last 5 rounds rankings and such
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