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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:22   #101
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:26   #102
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:34   #103
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:38   #104
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:43   #105
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:45   #106
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Unread 27 May 2006, 22:48   #107
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Unread 28 May 2006, 13:02   #108
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eh, don't care really either way. GD has more dire problems that extend from elsewhere.

GD has become a bit like a modern country.

It suffers from elitism, this is the core of any negativity being experienced, just select people that can't see things any way other than their own way.

No longer multi-cultural, GD has progressively become more UK centric. While understandable quite a large portion of it's userbase seems to be from the UK it has made it hard for foreigners like myself to find relevance in many of the topics posted here.

Maybe this ties in a certain way to the last point, too many immigrants wanting to make this place their GD instead of the open-ended GD it once was.
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No longer multi-cultural, GD has progressively become more UK centric.
GD has always been heavily UK influenced. I've not really posted much on here for the past year or so and don't see that much of a difference to what it used to be.

Basically it's missing Flavius, Muslim and Hans posting their various exploits?


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GD has always been heavily UK influenced. I've not really posted much on here for the past year or so and don't see that much of a difference to what it used to be.

Basically it's missing Flavius, Muslim and Hans posting their various exploits?


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4 or 5 years ago it wasn't.

When the servers were hosted in Norway this was a much more open-ended community. Once everything shifted to barrysworld and then later jolt it's progressively become more of a closed UK community.
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When the servers were hosted in Norway this was a much more open-ended community. Once everything shifted to barrysworld and then later jolt it's progressively become more of a closed UK community.
It really hasn't. People leave and not many new people come in to replace them. That's the only difference. There has always been far less non-UK people on here and when just one or two of them stop posting it's more noticeable but that's the extent of it.
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It really hasn't. People leave and not many new people come in to replace them. That's the only difference. There has always been far less non-UK people on here and when just one or two of them stop posting it's more noticeable but that's the extent of it.
I'd probably go as far as to say it was a lot more european as a whole, with a portion of US and about 2% other.

The people leaving were mostly non-uk europeans and US/Other.. while probably because of it's local the majority of new people coming on board have been from the UK.. so it's slowly tipped the balance over time.

Maybe it's been less noticable for yourself since you are a UK citizen and probably haven't noticed the change in content (ergo most of what is posted probably seems relevant, hence it looks as though nothing has changed), but I glance at the overview page with regularity, scratch my head and come back the next day hoping there's something new or different up for discussion.
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Apart from the odd 'Rooney/England world cup' thread, there seems very little that non-UK people can't give an opinion on surely?
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Apart from the odd 'Rooney/England world cup' thread, there seems very little that non-UK people can't give an opinion on surely?
Wait, why would that be limited to UK people?
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Basically it's missing Flavius, Muslim and Hans posting their various exploits?
I think djbass could have a point here. JC's thread two and a half years ago listed the top 60 and there's quite a few non-UK names there who have declined in activity / disappeared. Leshy, Snurx, Strucutral Integrity, W, Intrepid00 and Hobbie are all names which stand out as being relatively quiet of late.

Overall there was something like very roughly 19 of the top 60 posters were from outside the UK and Ireland. Now it's something like 12 or 13 (just from glancing at the members list). Admittedlly this doesn't take into acount people like s|k, but he's hardly uber regular anymore.
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Wait, why would that be limited to UK people?
Well kind of my point, if anything those are the UK limited threads, having said that, would you care if someone from Australia made a thread on 'Mick Dundee possibly out of the World Cup final through injury'

(So help me god if you pedant that last sentance)
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I think djbass could have a point here. JC's thread two and a half years ago listed the top 60 and there's quite a few non-UK names there who have declined in activity / disappeared. Leshy, Snurx, Strucutral Integrity, W, Intrepid00 and Hobbie are all names which stand out as being relatively quiet of late.
How many UK people on that list don't post regularly any more?
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How many UK people on that list don't post regularly any more?
Most of the people on that list don't post anymore, or if they do, hardly at all.

I count 20 who are still active on the forum, so we've lost quite a lot of people (but then again, we've gained plenty as well).
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How many UK people on that list don't post regularly any more?
Probably quite a lot, but that doesn't change the fact that the top 60 posters now is more UK dominated than it was in 2003. I realise this is hardly a perfect methodology, but meh.
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Leaving my account logged in when Yahwe's staying for the weekend is somewhat foolish
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rofl..and to retort to yahwe.. stop dribbling how you know everything in the universe already and post something factual :P
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I don't post anymore cause you people scare me and insult me and say bad things about my mother and it's not fair.

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rofl..and to retort to yahwe.. stop dribbling how you know everything in the universe already and post something factual :P
This is a strange thing to say, because, whilst many may disapprove of the tone of his posts, the actual factual content is generally rather high.
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This is a strange thing to say, because, whilst many may disapprove of the tone of his posts, the actual factual content is generally rather high.
Its just too bad that most of the times he doesnt post factual content.

GD is very UK heavy IMHO - its so UK centric that i stopped discussing in some threads and rarely join discussions anymore. I have had more than once the feeling that it was seen as "disruptive" to mention views or laws from outside the UK and i catched several neg reps and nasty comments just for "bad english".

Its might sound weird to you, but for me GD felt like getting increasingly xenophobic during the last months.
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You think that's bad? You should have seen it when when we invaded France!
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Its just too bad that most of the times he doesnt post factual content.

GD is very UK heavy IMHO - its so UK centric that i stopped discussing in some threads and rarely join discussions anymore. I have had more than once the feeling that it was seen as "disruptive" to mention views or laws from outside the UK and i catched several neg reps and nasty comments just for "bad english".

Its might sound weird to you, but for me GD felt like getting increasingly xenophobic during the last months.
there are two propositions here:

1) GD's threads are mostly based around 'UK' knowledge/events/ideas
2) GD is somehow 'unwelcoming' to foreigners

in re 1)

Djbass seems too busy 'rofl-ing' to notice that the only answer to this 'problem' is for non-uk posters to get up off the floor, dust themselves down from their fit of giggles and actually start posting some ****ing threads.

in re 2)

This is purely a matter of perspective. Overly sensitive people may well feel the victim of 'racism' but anyone who pays attention can see that there is no racism (and of course we have a rule against it).

The only speak in english rule is clearly explained and quite rational.
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And just for shits and giggles if you create a non-UK thread and it gets some overly harsh criticism I'll jump in with the ban stick. After all socialism may be shit but if you don't teach a man how to fish can you blame him for eating out your wife?
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And just for shits and giggles if you create a non-UK thread and it gets some overly harsh criticism I'll jump in with the ban stick. After all socialism may be shit but if you don't teach a man how to fish can you blame him for eating out your wife?
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So.

After 3 days as an admin (not necessarily by democratic election) on PB. And after several months as a member. I have recieved the following message from those 'in control':

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For being a nasty twat and making us change all the passwords!

Date the ban will be lifted: 07-06-2006, 22:00
I find it rather curious that I am banned merely because I managed to circumvent their 'security'.

I could have banned every member and deleted every thread.

Somehow I couldn't quite be arsed.
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When cyp and idi broke the forums I think we gave them avatars. That said quite how yahwe managed to break the security of anything online is so far beyond me I feel quite alone.
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When cyp and idi broke the forums I think we gave them avatars. That said quite how yahwe managed to break the security of anything online is so far beyond me I feel quite alone.
you are not alone!!!



edit: they are lovely people. bless. though they ought to have learnt the phrase "shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted" ...
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When cyp and idi broke the forums I think we gave them avatars. That said quite how yahwe managed to break the security of anything online is so far beyond me I feel quite alone.


I'm guessing he was round at Skiddy's and Skiddy's admin account was locked in ...
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Internet forums in bitching at each other shocker
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I'm guessing he was round at Skiddy's and Skiddy's admin account was locked in ...
Skiddy was comatose on his bed (just alcohol apparently) and was logged into PB.
Yahwe decided to have a look around the admin area.
I got a panicked call from Skiddy as I was leaving work today to get 1-X to get in contact with him.
Apparently there were multiple passwords that needed to be changed, or had been changed or something.
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skiddy should have rung me
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I didn't need to ring you, your admin had already been taken away. Besides, I didn't think there was much harm in you playing around with my laptop given that you can bearly spell the word Apple.

Next time though...

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You have been banned for the following reason:
For being a nasty twat and making us change all the passwords!
Passwords shouldnt be stored in any readable/breakable way on a server.
So unless Yahwe manipulated the login/signup process after gaining admin powers or he himself changed passwords - PB should maybe rethink their board security?
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Passwords shouldnt be stored in any readable/breakable way on a server.
So unless Yahwe manipulated the login/signup process after gaining admin powers or he himself changed passwords - PB should maybe rethink their board security?
or maybe it was the fact that Yahwe was at Skiddy's house and used SKiddy's logged in Admin account while Skiddy was unconcious, as previously mentioned in the thread
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or maybe it was the fact that Yahwe was at Skiddy's house and used SKiddy's logged in Admin account while Skiddy was unconcious, as previously mentioned in the thread
I did read that but regarding to what i wrote, it doesnt matter how somebody gets access. The point is that there are always multiple ways how unwanted persons can gain access to stored passwords and therefore passwords should never be stored in a readable or even recoverable (this is argueable) way.

A common solution is to store any password as a one-way hash.

So in the given case if the passwords where stored in a safe way:

- Yahwe could start trying to crack the one-way hashes so the security would depend on the implementation of the algorithm and the individual users password choice
- Yahwe could have likely sniffed passwords during the days he was admin by manipulating the login process or the password storage method for example
- Yahwe could have changed passwords but that would be obvious to the user trying to log in

But the one thing he cant do is knowing all passwords of all users just because he had the ability to look at the stored passwords.

Yahwes interest or ability to crack passwords or manipulate the board software is a completely different topic

ps: i guess it was just a misunderstanding about what i tried to say - i was refering to the "making us change all the passwords" part

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Re: Plastic Brilliance

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ps: i guess it was just a misunderstanding about what i tried to say - i was refering to the "making us change all the passwords" part
There was nothing noticeable to the individual user - he didn't find the user passwords he found the admin passwords.
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I bet the mods board at PB is full of horribly dark secrets


I know ours is!
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Yahwe could start trying to crack the one-way hashes so the security would depend on the implementation of the algorithm
that's a pretty hilarious sentence right there.
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Sounds a bit like Star Trek talk to me.
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I bet the mods board at PB is full of horribly dark secrets


I know ours is!
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I didn't need to ring you, your admin had already been taken away. Besides, I didn't think there was much harm in you playing around with my laptop given that you can bearly spell the word Apple.

Next time though...

Still, could have been worse, you could be in Coventry.

Someone on these forums went to coventry. I dont think he twigged (maybe still hasnt) for a few months

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Someone on these forums went to coventry. I dont think he twigged (maybe still hasnt) for a few months

teehee
is he or she still posting?

i'm intrigued!
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that's a pretty hilarious sentence right there.
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or maybe it was the fact that Yahwe was at Skiddy's house and used SKiddy's logged in Admin account while Skiddy was unconcious
he was wide awake sitting next to me and watching tv as it happens.

i believe the passwords they were concerned about where their v-buletin numbers and account stuff which (as afore mentioned) I was far too bored to bother reading.

I prefered the gossip on the mods forum and learning the origin of this very thread
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