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Unread 3 Jun 2005, 15:51   #1
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Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

The last 2 rounds of Planetarion have been 10 weeks. This seems to have worked reasonably well, however in some ways shorter rounds would be better:

Having a short round 14 would allow Round 14 to be a summer round and not go to far into the Autumn, this in turn allows Round 15 to start earlier and potentially not have to clash with xmas.

Round 14 is at the moment set to be in July at some point, if we assume mid July and 8 week round finishes 1st week of september. This would allow Round 15 to start as late as the end of October. This gives plenty of time for testing.

9 week rounds should also allow round 15 to finish before xmas, but would restrict testing to an extent.

So the question is what is it you the players want? Please vote in the poll and post opinions.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...53#post2890153

People might want to take a look at that thread so they know how this poll came about and reasons behind it.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

10 weeks then... 8 weeks is just to short i think, not enough to get a clear winner (unless the round is really unbalanced stats/race/politic wise)
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I'd say 10 weeks but school starts in september so I'd rather have R14 finish before school starts so I can make a decent start to the school year
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It doesn't matter one bit to me as long as round 14 starts mid-july.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I would prefer whichever gave me more planetarion. Although, I am a little partial to shorter rounds, being as how I normally get bored around tick 1000. This time has proved a little more interesting, and I'm still playing this time lol. So whichever works better for the PAteam.

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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

Have to admit,.. the last 2 weeks of this round i've got a little bord,.. not sure if that's to do with the round comming to an end,.. or to do with it being 10 weeks,...

thus i vote 8 weeks,.. thus it also means people have the chance to push through and do 8 weeks of no sleeping, b4 catching up for a week or two :P
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8 weeks would be ok, but only if they reduce the time between rounds!

WTF is the 4-6 weeks wait for ?

Beta testing could be done in a day or two.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

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8 weeks would be ok, but only if they reduce the time between rounds!

WTF is the 4-6 weeks wait for ?

Beta testing could be done in a day or two.
No, it can't. You clearly have no idea of what beta testing really is. 1-2 weeks needs to be allowed for betas, minimum.

Voted for 9 weeks, as long as Round 14 starts as soon as possible - that way Round 15 isn't too short. 8 weeks is my preferred option if Round 14 takes some time to arrive.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

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Beta testing could be done in a day or two.
Apparently you don't understand the first bit about beta testing. Whenever they make bigger changes in code everything should be tested properly and not like they have been before. No wonder we've found bugs in game so often in the past rounds. Changing code in middle of round is not as easy as you may think and they are reluctant to do it unless it's crucial.
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I think everyone agrees a Cat boost was needed mid round, and also most coders will agree that it woulda taken 5minutes to update the stats.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

its takes all of 5s to update the stats, just mid round stats changes are generally untested and its hard to see the overall effect, so they are a bad idea.

If people read the announcements they will see that next round has a fair few changes that will need testing, so we are likely to need 2 weeks of testing and thats assuming things go well. Of course the changes have been verified to work in an alpha testing phase, but full testing with more people is essential.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

10 weeks imo, ive enjoyed the length of the last 2 rounds.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I'm caught in two minds, as i've made clear I think that 10 weeks can be too intensive hence why ive been pushing for some kind of short breaks at intervals in the game and obviously an 8 week round would reduce how intensive it was.

However a reduction to 8 weeks is worrying for two reasons
1) The value for money is getting less every round. If we shave another two weeks off the round we are getting closer to paying MMORPG prices for a much simpler and cheaper to run game which damages the claim of it being one of the best value p2p multiplayer online game around
2) It gives much less time to react to things happening.For example with 2 weeks less F-Crew this round might not have been able to undo the advantage that APA and Coven gained over them with mergers. Especially when you consider that the last two weeks are the time when most players are likly to drop their levels if somthing goes wrong ( its a view that they re wrong with but many feel that in the last two weeks if you lose alot of ships your round is screwed, infact the lowe value probally means greater xp gains and easier targets to hit for these gains so is probally helpful)
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I went for 9 weeks, I dont want it to clash with xmas, despite getting less value for money.
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PA has ever done beta testing?
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

The roundlength isnt so much of a matter, tho the deadtime inbetween rounds is. I'd say never more than 3 weeks between rounds.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

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The roundlength isnt so much of a matter, tho the deadtime inbetween rounds is. I'd say never more than 3 weeks between rounds.
when u say 3 weeks do u mean 3 weeks betwene tick stop and tick start, 3 weeks between end of havoc and tick start, 3 weeks between tick stop and signups, 3 weeks between end of havoc and signups?
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I agree with Furball, 9 weeks would be ideal, but 8 weeks if necessary.

By the way, last time we played over Christmas (round 3) some of us suggested a christmas break and were told something along the lines of 'piss off noobs this is a war game'. Planetarion has never broken for christmas since, it's never had to. Rounds 5 and 6 were timed neatly either side of christmas, round 8 finished early, and round 10 was shorter than previous rounds anyway, I believe.

Seems odd to be thinking about Christmas in June...
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

i prefer 10 weeks, but would be ok with 8 IF research & construction are speeded up.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

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1) The value for money is getting less every round. If we shave another two weeks off the round we are getting closer to paying MMORPG prices for a much simpler and cheaper to run game which damages the claim of it being one of the best value p2p multiplayer online game around
I suggested in that other thread that an 8 week round would be good value for money IF a speedgame credit was bundled in with the price. This is different to having a free speedgame, as only paid planets would have a credit to this speedgame (plus anyone who wants to purchase a speedgame credit etc etc).

That way, players get an 8 week round, and some hardc0re PA action whilst the next round is being tested etc. This is a fair compromise, imo.

/me goes to that thread to see whether my idea was flamed or not .

As for round lengths, i'd like to see R14 be 8 weeks and R15 to be 9 or 10. I'm not sure exactly why - but is that important?
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

Waiting extra weeks (beyond testing) to start round 14 because of exams or whatever seems dumb. Many people had exams and other real life issues this round. You'll never time it to make everyone happy so I say just start as soon as possible. I guess the main thing you have to figure out; would you lose more money having a long break or starting early?

As far as game length, I would prefer 10 weeks.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

How about 8 weeks for R14 and 10 weeks for R15?

If this isnt posible then 9 weeks for each so we have no christmas clash
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i think 10 weeks is best value for money.
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10 weeks for both rounds... war doesnt stop for a holiday that not everybody even celebrates..

10 weeks gives best play out of a round and crucial things happen in the last weeks. also gives best value imho
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It's not like PA ever stopped because of Ramadan either
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How about 8 weeks for R14 and 10 weeks for R15?

If this isnt posible then 9 weeks for each so we have no christmas clash
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i went 10 weeks cos i was thinking about new ppl joining they wanna chance to get to #1 spot hehehe
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ok i've already voted, but i do have an idea,.. how about sticking to the 10 week thing,.. so people dont loose value for money,.. but have a 5 day - 1 week break over xmas ??? i
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I voted 9 because I'm starting to lose interest. But I'm conservative, so don't change too much at once. I'd prefer a round starting at xmas because I have a lot of time to play then (as I know a lot of others have).

Note: planning has never been a strong point in this game. Just start asap for the optimal round length. Don't think half a year ahead. There might be some bugs forcing roll-backs or other technical problems. Development of rnd 14 or 15 might take a tad longer than expected etc.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

i would rather see the longer rounds, i think 10 weeks is fine and anthing shorter would feel like the round was over to quick.

Short rounds doesnt give you enough time to rebuild your lost ships if you have lost them half way through it hampers your chance to rise through the ranks. why pay the same amount for less time ok its only a fiver but the rounds are getting shorter and shoter. If you do lose intrest then thats your fault and if the quests do get added to the game next round then it might bring more intrest back into the game,

As i see it a lot of n00bs and players seem to give up far to easily and you wonder about the different galaxies seeing half of them still at 5mil, many a times ive wanted to give becuase of being pwned but never as half of you. Maybe it could be made slightly easier for the first time players of the game who for their fist time playing dont expect wave after wave of attack
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I say 8 weeks because 10 weeks without decent sleep wrecks mine and nutkins head
And it also gives me x-mas with my daughter.
So go for 8 weeks this round and 10 weeks round after that
Just hope maybe research maybe a little bit quicker if there is less round time.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

9 weeks, with an optional extra week to allow for server stoppages.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

im not too concerned with the round length, more the start date of rnd 15.
i would prefer it mid/late september at earliest as most students will be back at uni and settled in by then to make a good effort for the rnd.
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I'm in for 10 weeks, anything that shortens the round along with all the lame changes so far just makes it more annoying. The long lag between rounds is killing us as well. Maybe its about time we tweaked the code when it comes close to working instead of adding yet another batch of bugs & inconsistent play. Get some stats that are fair. Work out the tech tree to finish faster, get the bugs out and lets have a few rounds where the game only has minor tweaks or bug fixes, and stop calling bugs game features. DO a rewrite if you must but don't test it out on us when we pay. And for godsakes lose the XP points thats the biggest exploited crock of shite since round one. Come to think of it Xan would like thier BS's back and some anti frig that works would be nice too. If your gonna supposedly give every race weakness, I suggest you hand out XP for defence then, but 100% better if you fix the stats and do away with XP.


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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

It's week 23 coming week right? I'd say 2x 10 weeks, with R15 ending just before X-mas, and havoc in the X-mas vacation. That can be done easily if the time between 2 rounds isn't so frigging long. 28 weeks should be enough for 20 weeks of playtime, + 2 x 4 weeks in between.
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I'm in for 10 weeks, anything that shortens the round along with all the lame changes so far just makes it more annoying. The long lag between rounds is killing us as well. Maybe its about time we tweaked the code when it comes close to working instead of adding yet another batch of bugs & inconsistent play. Get some stats that are fair. Work out the tech tree to finish faster, get the bugs out and lets have a few rounds where the game only has minor tweaks or bug fixes, and stop calling bugs game features. DO a rewrite if you must but don't test it out on us when we pay. And for godsakes lose the XP points thats the biggest exploited crock of shite since round one. Come to think of it Xan would like thier BS's back and some anti frig that works would be nice too. If your gonna supposedly give every race weakness, I suggest you hand out XP for defence then, but 100% better if you fix the stats and do away with XP.


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If you read announcements you would know that round 14 is only bug fixes and minor changes rather than major changes.

The lag between round 12 and 13 has been the only "long" lag and that was largly due to Spinner being ill and in hospital.

Round 14 will start as soon as possible.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

it should have been 8 weeks, then i would have finished with atleast some fleet left =D
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8 weeks is long enough.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

Beta testing is overrated. Changes are only incremental, it's not like a whole lot of stuff changes in the grand scheme of things. The problem with the beta is that instead of testing specific changes, people seem to think it's an opportunity to suggest all kinds of other changes. That, in my past experience, is why it takes so long.

I can see advantages to both shorter and longer rounds, so in the spirit of compromise (or is it indecision?) I'm voting for 9 weeks.
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If research lengths are tweaked somewhat, I got no problem with a bit shorter rounds.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I noticed some people were wanting a mid round break in the middle of rounds...Would it be worthwhile to have a midround break in R14 to do a quick Beta with say 15 minute ticks or something?

I mean, if R15 is going to be a big change, someone can work on the stats in the first part of the round, have a quick beta, fix some bugs and problems, then have a shorter beta at the end of R14 so we can get kicking into 15 pretty quickly.

I still think Shorter is better. Yea, longer is better for the bigger players, but for anyone lower then say 600 or so, it gets old fast sucking.

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I dislike the idea of any breaks in middle of round. I could understand a 1-2 days break over christmas but not more than that.
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

hmmm

how bout 16 weeks?

then round 14 can have utter decent beta testing and finish nicely before christmas, while round 15 can then be properly tested from christmas till early januari and kick off in the new year :-P

also it would take away the idea of less value for money, as it would nicely increase the value for money even, and as wakey pondered, there will be plenty of time to adapt to major changes in the game :-)


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its about feckin time it does! lets celebrate all holidays!!! lets even have a break on mother/fathers day!
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its about feckin time it does! lets celebrate all holidays!!! lets even have a break on mother/fathers day!
Yeah and saturdays and sundays too, and no more than 8 hours a day anyway, with a break for lunch.
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If the round is shortened with it decrease the cost of the round? If the price is the same longer is better!
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Re: Round 14 and Round 15 lengths

I voted for 8 weeks as I won't be able to play r14, or if I do will be very inactive and want to miss as little PA as possible. Also don't want it to run over x-mas, or if it does then at the very least stop for x-mas day, preferably for a couple of days after as well. For those of you saying it is a war game so it shouldn't stop for x-mas: even WW1 stopped on x-mas day, the two sides had a football match.
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