Usual Suspects

[Knight Theamion]

So is Verbal Kint, is he, Kaizer Sozai?

Or is Keaton it? Or Kobayashi?

What part of the story was true, and which part wasn't?

My best guess is that they did kill saul, they did do the taxi service job, they did kill Saul, but Redfoot, he probably never existed, the introduction to 'Kobayashi' was different.

Everything with Edie Finnigan was real, but everything on the boatjob with Verbal was fake, Verbal was Kaizer.

[SYMM]

Haven't seen the film for a while, bit i remember that after (well, during really if you think about things) everything is really obvious...

[G_frog]

you can't actually tell much from the film, because all the flashbacks could be false. about the only things we know are that "kobayashi" works for "verbal", that "verbal" isn't who he claims to be, and that whatever was going on on the boat wasn't a drugs deal. also, i suspect any reference that appears on the board at the end means that part of the story is a complete fabrication.

that said, i think we're supposed to think that spacey was soze, and accept the rest of his interrogator's version of the story (about the hit etc.)

[cressa]

Here .......

More explenations than you can shake a stick @

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[ChubbyChecker]

We do know that the line-up at the beginning of Verbal's story did actually happen.
We know this because Agent Coullion picked up Keaton at the restaurant to take him to the line-up. If this hadn't been true he would have picked Verbal up on it straight away.

There is very little else that we can take as truth from Verbal's story. The hijacking of the police taxi service is probably true since Coullion would most probably have heard about it, though we can't say for sure. Even if it did happen there is no way to say for sure that any of the Usual Suspects were involved, even Verbal.

Also, did all/any of the Usual Suspects die on the boat? The only one that is mentioned by the police is Keaton, and it is mentioned that his body was not found.

Kobayashi's character exists since he picks up Verbal at the end but has he ever even met any of the other Usual Suspects? We don't know.

The story itself also makes no sense. Verbal orchestrated the line-up to get the five of them together to do a couple of jobs and then blow up the ship. The only reason he wanted to blow up the ship was to kill the witness on the ship, or at least that's what we deduce from seeing the movie. But if Verbal went to all this trouble to kill the man that can identify him as Kaiser Soze then does this mean he has to kill Agent Coullion, most of the policemen in the police station, the doctors and nurses at the hospital, the judge he testified to, etc...?
This makes me think that the story was fake and we aren't even given a hint of what happened on that ship.

[Knight Theamion]

Originally posted by ChubbyChecker
We do know that the line-up at the beginning of Verbal's story did actually happen.
We know this because Agent Coullion picked up Keaton at the restaurant to take him to the line-up. If this hadn't been true he would have picked Verbal up on it straight away.

There is very little else that we can take as truth from Verbal's story. The hijacking of the police taxi service is probably true since Coullion would most probably have heard about it, though we can't say for sure. Even if it did happen there is no way to say for sure that any of the Usual Suspects were involved, even Verbal.

Also, did all/any of the Usual Suspects die on the boat? The only one that is mentioned by the police is Keaton, and it is mentioned that his body was not found.

Kobayashi's character exists since he picks up Verbal at the end but has he ever even met any of the other Usual Suspects? We don't know.

The story itself also makes no sense. Verbal orchestrated the line-up to get the five of them together to do a couple of jobs and then blow up the ship. The only reason he wanted to blow up the ship was to kill the witness on the ship, or at least that's what we deduce from seeing the movie. But if Verbal went to all this trouble to kill the man that can identify him as Kaiser Soze then does this mean he has to kill Agent Coullion, most of the policemen in the police station, the doctors and nurses at the hospital, the judge he testified to, etc...?
This makes me think that the story was fake and we aren't even given a hint of what happened on that ship.

Him getting caught wasn't part of the plan, him being there was accidental, he was improvising


The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

[ChubbyChecker]

Originally posted by Toccata & Fugue
He didn't know about the witness in the hospital though.

True, without him the only thing Coullion would know for sure was that Verbal had been bull****ing him for the last couple of hours and would have no proof that he was Soze.

Something I'd forgotten, we do know quite a bit about what happened on the ship. We know that Keaton died there and that he was killed by a man that he believed to be Kaiser Soze. The first scene in the movie shows us this. We also know that the ship blew up killing lots of people. We also know that Kaiser Soze was allegedly on the ship (witness in hospital).

Anyway, regardless of what we do or do not know, I think that the intention of the director was that the events in Verbal's story did happen. All he did was change the names of the people involved.

Oh, and Verbal is Soze, the director says so on the Special Edition DVD.