Batman and Robin in quest for Justice.

[Marilyn Manson]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3209640.stm

Why do these people do this? Don't they understand that they look like insane twats, and whatever political issue they wished to raise will be drowned out?

When Aneurin Bevan was trying to get the NHS started, he didn't put on a clown costume, cover himself in red paint, and team up with twenty five like-minded individuals, and roll about on the floor to illustrate the issue of sub-standard levels of health care.

When Churchill said "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.", he didn't don khaki, grab a rifle and climb onto the roof of Parliament, with a banner with "SAVE OURE ISLAND LIFE" written on it to illustrate his point.

[Radical Edward]

if Tony Blair was wandering round london trying to promote PPP by wearing a thomas the tank engine suit, I might agree with you. however since this guy is of no real importance, and is just doing this for the media stunt, I don't really see how the comparison to churchill and co holds....

[roadrunner_0]

cos they are stupid?
there again, what do you expect of someone called jolly fs :/

[Marilyn Manson]

The point is, if you have a political issue to raise, you don't do it in the most twatish and absurd way possible.

'Decorum' is the key.

[Radical Edward]

writing polite letters does not media attention create.

[Marilyn Manson]

And making yourself out to be something approaching a dangerous lunatic furthers your point, how, exactly?

Besides, there are plenty of ways to influence people without media attention, which in of itself does very little to further your cause. You could, strangely enough, form a pressure group, and organise well-ordered marches, etc. This, to me, is much better than going ape and climbing on the roof of a building.

[Marilyn Manson]

And even if you wanted to protest, why do you have to do it in the most maddeningly inane way possible?

I can see this is going to be another 'Me Versus the world' thread.

[Vaio]

At least it has got them media coverage. Spiderman would have been more topical though

Vaio

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Vaio

At least it has got them media coverage.

Who, who, pray tell, is going to read down to the end of the report in order to find out that this man is "a registered child-minder with no criminal record but was not permitted sufficient access to his daughter."




Tell me, please, because I don't believe such a person exists. I especially like the fact that this point was in no way immediately obvious, and that they had to tell reporters. heh.

[Vaio]

Superman would

besides, the news will probably mention it (if there isn't a cute kitty stuck up a tree somewhere)

Vaio

[Radical Edward]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

And making yourself out to be something approaching a dangerous lunatic furthers your point, how, exactly?

Besides, there are plenty of ways to influence people without media attention, which in of itself does very little to further your cause. You could, strangely enough, form a pressure group, and organise well-ordered marches, etc. This, to me, is much better than going ape and climbing on the roof of a building.

you are thinking on too high a level. the way to get things done, is not to do intelligent things that appeal to intelligent people, and the people in charge, but to do stupid things that appeal to the stupid masses. you see the people in charge are far more afraid of the stupid masses than any intellectual debate opponent, and so getting the masses to rally to your cause will benefit you far more than doing intellectual things ever would.

[Radical Edward]

oh:


for great justice.

[Marilyn Manson]

But the peons will just lol at it. Which was sort of my point.

Everyone else will probably be past caring.

[CjC]

It doesnt say whether this guy has attempted going thru "the proper channels" but I get the impression (given its something to do with a campaign) that has already been tried and they've taken it to "The next Level" - which in his mind is obviously lowest common denominator - eg getting the media's attention.

Of course if several million people cant make a protest march stop a coalition war what chance does one man in a batsuit gonna have against the law of the land?

[Vaio]

But it's Batman !

Vaio

[Dante Hicks]

Amount of sane protests going on at a low level : loads
Amount of stupid protests : one
Amount of protests that get on TV/news, etc : one

Oh.

Anyway, these things are born out of frustration. Basically this is the resort of people who are too angry to just handout flyers but not quite angry/gutsy enough to strap explosives to their chest while running through London screaming "I'll show you dangerous play, you bastard"

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by Radical Edward

oh:


for great justice.

damn you, the olny reason i cme back into this thread was too post that

[inf]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3209640.stm

Why do these people do this? Don't they understand that they look like insane twats, and whatever political issue they wished to raise will be drowned out?

When Aneurin Bevan was trying to get the NHS started, he didn't put on a clown costume, cover himself in red paint, and team up with twenty five like-minded individuals, and roll about on the floor to illustrate the issue of sub-standard levels of health care.

When Churchill said "We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.", he didn't don khaki, grab a rifle and climb onto the roof of Parliament, with a banner with "SAVE OURE ISLAND LIFE" written on it to illustrate his point.

They aren't career politicians.

[I'm Not Grimble]

I didn't read your post, but the topic made me hard

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by inf

They aren't career politicians.

I fail to see the relevance. The application of the principle is the same. Absurdly comical acts and serious political points are not, to say the least, a perfect match.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by I'm Not Grimble

I didn't read your post, but the topic made me hard

We aim to please.

[inf]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I fail to see the relevance. The application of the principle is the same. Absurdly comical acts and serious political points are not, to say the least, a perfect match.

It's served a purpose, even if only to highlight an issue, rather than deal with it.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by inf

It's served a purpose, even if only to highlight an issue, rather than deal with it.

I doubt it's done either tbh.

[inf]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I doubt it's done either tbh.

It will unavoidable bring the issue to the publics attention; this thread demonstrates some value.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by inf

It will unavoidable bring the issue to the publics attention; this thread demonstrates some value.

Heh, check this thread for the amount of coverage we have given to the man's actual point.

[inf]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Heh, check this thread for the amount of coverage we have given to the man's actual point.

I was expecting this to be picked up on, as your purpose of this thread is to critique their methods.

These peculiar individuals have incited discussion or some sort here; I have no doubt that there will be discussion and serious analysis of the real issues away from this forum.

[Deffeh]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

The point is, if you have a political issue to raise, you don't do it in the most twatish and absurd way possible.

'Decorum' is the key.

bullshit

would they have gotten a bbc article without this batman and robin gig?
no. People dont care about politics, its sad but its true, you have to be extreme to be interesting to the general public

[Tactitus]

Originally Posted by Deffeh

would they have gotten a bbc article without this batman and robin gig?
no. People dont care about politics, its sad but its true, you have to be extreme to be interesting to the general public

However, the public and media quickly tire of attention seekers. Most real problems are not amenable to a "quick fix" and people will lose interest long before a solution can be found. All this does is raise the bar for the next "cause" who will have to be even more outrageous to get their 15 minutes in the spotlight.

[G_frog]

You would have thought people would have learned a lesson from David "lookatmelookatme" Blaine.

I'm not sure whether this stunt was too stupid, or not stupid enough, but either way it will achieve nothing.

[Marilyn Manson]

As I've ALREADY SAID, even if they do get picked up on by the media, nobody gives a tuppeny-shit about what their actual issue is, because it is simply enveloped by the absurdity of their method of gaining attention for it.