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Unread 10 May 2008, 15:35   #1
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WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

Maybe the rounds over, maybe it isnt.. just like to hear a few opinions without the crap D:... all ego aside etc, who u guys reckon will win and why D:?

asc have been there/there abouts for a fair part of the rd, then a few days ago they addeed a chunk to tag and all of a sudden its even stevens,...add a shit load of zik salvage / + some XP to score and i wonder if it puts them into the running?



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Unread 10 May 2008, 17:07   #2
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

When did we add a chunk to tag? I'm pretty sure we weren't hiding any part of our tag any part of this round...
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

I think asc will win as they have the momentum.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

heh noone has been out of tag :|
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

It can go both ways still. We'll see.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

I am still out of tag!
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

The 2 tags are only 3.5 mil apart, I think the tipping piece will be NoX or any other alliance that decides to do a few raids.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

And/or the differences in accumulated stockpiles. I have no idea whether Asc has maintained large stockpiles or not, but after quite a while of Denial being on top, would they not have had the opportunity to amass a vast fortune in as-yet-unrealised score?

It would be pretty bloody depressing if the winning alliance was determined by who held back the longest yet still had functioning factories...
Though having said that, its pretty rare for such a win in an instant-gratification society.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

We have stockpiles. We're mostly Zik, so stockpiles serve a dual purpose. I'm not sure if they are (much?) bigger than other alliance's though.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

Stoom's stockpile is bigger than yours!
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

True, I don't have one.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

I hope Stoom win because it would be a nice twist after an entire round looking like denial were gonna take it. If Stoom are sucessful it would be a good result.
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Do not let Stoom win
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

Uh oh ^^

1 up 1 STOOMTHEREVIVAL 67476 71 3,657,562 219,453,744
2 down 1 Denial 59342 75 3,644,862 218,691,737
3 NoX 53471 61 3,342,751 200,565,084
4 NewDawn 57953 75 3,323,635 199,418,116
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oh god it must be cheating
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

Nah, it only took 1 tick for someone to screw up
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

And another tick for 6(!) more to screw up.

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When does round end?
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Friday.

Looks like it's gonna be pretty close...
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GO STOOM o/
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never thought id cheer for asc but.. go stoom!
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Congratulations on winning the round stoom!

though arguably it's not that hard when you have 4-5 allies backing you up...
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

it's not that hard to be #1 for the majority of the round when the alliance you allied with is too spineless to go for #1 and the other contenders for the #1 are told to **** off by everyone they approach as they "don't deserve 3 in a row".
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

I wouldn't call being allied to a single alliance and honouring that deal "spineless".

I'd call jumping into a 1 vs 1 fight with 4 allies making it a 5 vs 1 spineless, since they only dared to do so then and not like 500 ticks earlier.

Final conclusion: it takes alot more spine to keep your side of the deal when the entire universe is badmouthing you for it than it does to jump an alliance with overwhelming odds.

And for the "don't deserve 3 in a row" thing... sucks for ND, but there were other allies besides them that should have been capable of going for #1 but sat on their ass all round long. Not our fault
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I wouldn't call being allied to a single alliance and honouring that deal "spineless".
Well of course you wouldn't call it that, you are in Denial after all.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

Seriously though, this is the first round that I can remember that people are making such a big deal out of 2 alliances being allied to eachother :/

I really don't get what everybody on this forum is on about. Like Denial & NoX would just say "hey guys, we know you hate our guts, but to please your forumtrolls we've decided now to hit eachother. Making ourself weaker and wide open to attacks from all of you guys! It's to make the round more interesting and exciting. It'll also make sure that neither Denial or NoX can win the round BUT hey, if that's what needed to make you guys shut the **** up then suuuuure, we'll destroy eachother and make it easy for you!"

Anybody that believes that at any point in this round Denial & NoX turning on eachother & eleminating the only friends they had in the universe would have been a smart move is clearly in Denial.
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Congratulations on winning the round stoom!

though arguably it's not that hard when you have 4-5 allies backing you up...
lolling hard, its far from won also stop being bitter, if thats what it took to take you down in the short time then it was obviously needed, if the shoe were on the other foot im sure you wouldnt be saying moronic shit like this though
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Seriously though, this is the first round that I can remember that people are making such a big deal out of 2 alliances being allied to eachother :/

I really don't get what everybody on this forum is on about. Like Denial & NoX would just say "hey guys, we know you hate our guts, but to please your forumtrolls we've decided now to hit eachother. Making ourself weaker and wide open to attacks from all of you guys! It's to make the round more interesting and exciting. It'll also make sure that neither Denial or NoX can win the round BUT hey, if that's what needed to make you guys shut the **** up then suuuuure, we'll destroy eachother and make it easy for you!"
You guys still know nothing about politics at all do you.

*BIG HINT* PA doesn't have to be played Side A vs Side B with everyone fitting in nice little boxes!
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You guys still know nothing about politics at all do you.

*BIG HINT* PA doesn't have to be played Side A vs Side B with everyone fitting in nice little boxes!
You should know that when the universe is allready split in 2 sides around tick 3-400 they rarely change.

But lets have a realistic breakdown of what would have happened this round if people would have followed "your way":

Side A= Denial & NoX | Side B = ND, CT, Jen, anybody else they can get their hands on
- NoX turns their back on Denial
- ND NoX CT & Jen take out Denial (who has no friends)
- NoX takes the lead
- ND CT & Jen betray NoX
- NoX is taken out

So as you can see, Side A is totally destroyed & Side B wins.

The people in NoX aren't as stupid or spineless as you'd want them to be and probably saw that this was the most likely outcome if they had betrayed Denial.
Sure, that may sound good for side B but what does side A have to gain from isolating themself?

that's right: **** all
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from my pov, which have been nox this round, the round has been fking boring.
never fighting for #1, or taking down #1, just doing our best to get another alliance to #1.
When u then dont have anything else to play for, as gal for #1, good personal rank or some other weird shit, this round has just been boring for me.
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Maybe the rounds over, maybe it isnt.. just like to hear a few opinions without the crap D:... all ego aside etc, who u guys reckon will win and why D:?

asc have been there/there abouts for a fair part of the rd, then a few days ago they addeed a chunk to tag and all of a sudden its even stevens,...add a shit load of zik salvage / + some XP to score and i wonder if it puts them into the running?



asc 1 zik salvage
tbh if asc wins.. I won't belive until I see it.. I can count over 10 score counting guys crashing inside a week... I'd give 10% chance for asc winning tag race for nro 1.. especially when quite many of asc joined mid round from other alliances, myself included.

Anyways we'll see how it goes.. it's just question who can land best and not getting fc:ed.. personally over 500 incoming fleets total this round on me.. so it's been action filled round, especially the last 1,5weeks.
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tbh if asc wins.. I won't belive until I see it.. I can count over 10 score counting guys crashing inside a week... I'd give 10% chance for asc winning tag race for nro 1.. especially when quite many of asc joined mid round from other alliances, myself included.

Anyways we'll see how it goes.. it's just question who can land best and not getting fc:ed.. personally over 500 incoming fleets total this round on me.. so it's been action filled round, especially the last 1,5weeks.
how can a zik based alliance not win when theres 2 days left of the round, and they have a score advantage already?

would require entire uni to go at them, and even then I still doubt it, cause they would gain more from steals and salvage from fking stupid nubs crashing.
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You should know that when the universe is allready split in 2 sides around tick 3-400 they rarely change.
Your alliance played their part in ensuring the universe was split down the middle, so forgive me if I ignore that point entirely

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But lets have a realistic breakdown of what would have happened this round if people would have followed "your way":

Side A= Denial & NoX | Side B = ND, CT, Jen, anybody else they can get their hands on
- NoX turns their back on Denial
- ND NoX CT & Jen take out Denial (who has no friends)
- NoX takes the lead
- ND CT & Jen betray NoX
- NoX is taken out
I think you will actually find that CT/ND hated NoX more than Denial. So an alliance between NoX and CT/ND would have been very unlikely, an co-op between NoX and Asc would have been far more likely. I also think that if that happened ND and CT(maybe?) would have been approachable by yourselves to either help you target just NoX or NoX/Asc back. If you don't keep an open line of communication with alliances you will never know where you stand.

An interesting note I thought I'd share with you also, is that when ND were originally asked if they wanted to hit Denial, they said they weren't fussed either way, they just wanted big targets. They were equally likely to hit Denial, NoX or Asc at the time, its just simply that we were the ones that spoke to them, and I'm certainly very grateful that we did.

Your reasoning for not wanting change was that you would have lost, well according to most of your members you have lost now anyway. So what exactly did doing nothing achieve?

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The people in NoX aren't as stupid or spineless as you'd want them to be and probably saw that this was the most likely outcome if they had betrayed Denial.
Sure, that may sound good for side B but what does side A have to gain from isolating themselves?

that's right: **** all
The point is though, if Denial and NoX broke there would no longer be a Side A and Side B, this would have all changed. As Wishmaster says, I'm sure most of their members would have preferred to have fight for #1 for themselves, than for you.

The consideration you also fail to mention is something me and JBG were talking about the other night. The point at which it became clear to you that NoX was 'planning' to hit you, you should have taken steps to exert your power, to show that you weren't to be messed around. Denial however was happy to sit there and do nothing, which made you look completely weak. It's at this point I myself felt you were beatable, as you seemed happy to try to limp to the finish rather than drive through it.

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an co-op between NoX and Asc would have been far more likely.
That was indeed something we talked about. At that point in the round, it became clear we could beat NoX even if we allied them, so there was talk about teaming up with NoX to take down Denial. NoX' policy prevented us from ever executing that plan, and considering the current political situation, I'm glad it did.
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Re: WHOSTHESTOOM vs Denial

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That was indeed something we talked about. At that point in the round, it became clear we could beat NoX even if we allied them, so there was talk about teaming up with NoX to take down Denial. NoX' policy prevented us from ever executing that plan, and considering the current political situation, I'm glad it did.
Nox could have been #1 or #2 if we'd have worked together with Asc.

They way it went, we can be happy if we end up #3

It shows that we didnt fail in playing the game but in doing the politics that would have been needed in the right situation.
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Your alliance played their part in ensuring the universe was split down the middle, so forgive me if I ignore that point entirely
Denial was more than willing to take anyone on in a 1 vs 1 fight. It's not our fault that our opposition felt the need to go get backup from other allies, splitting the universe in 2 sides :|
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The consideration you also fail to mention is something me and JBG were talking about the other night. The point at which it became clear to you that NoX was 'planning' to hit you, you should have taken steps to exert your power, to show that you weren't to be messed around. Denial however was happy to sit there and do nothing, which made you look completely weak. It's at this point I myself felt you were beatable, as you seemed happy to try to limp to the finish rather than drive through it.

Just my 2 cents anyway
As far as I know Denial hasn't recieved a single inc from NoX, so I don't see a reason for us to attack NoX unprovoked or on grounds of some rumours that they 'might be planning to attack us'.
Had they attacked us we would have fought back, but I honestly don't see any reason at all to attack our only ally
If we as Denial would have attacked our only ally without any real provocation, who would want to work with Denial in future rounds? Being the guys that attacked their own allies just for the fun of it?
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As far as I know Denial hasn't recieved a single inc from NoX, so I don't see a reason for us to attack NoX unprovoked or on grounds of some rumours that they 'might be planning to attack us'.
Had they attacked us we would have fought back, but I honestly don't see any reason at all to attack our only ally
You are incorrect.
We attacked u quite a few times, also landed on some.
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Denial was more than willing to take anyone on in a 1 vs 1 fight. It's not our fault that our opposition felt the need to go get backup from other allies, splitting the universe in 2 sides :|
It's a shame you didn't fight us 1 vs 1 then, as the first night of incoming was NoX and Denial hitting Asc, when we had a 10% roid loss. We decided then to see about getting some help to hit you as well. Please be aware as well that Denial has only been P-target twice (including last night) through all this, and its not been a 7 day gangbang of you by any stretch of the imagination.

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Had they attacked us we would have fought back, but I honestly don't see any reason at all to attack our only ally
If we as Denial would have attacked our only ally without any real provocation, who would want to work with Denial in future rounds? Being the guys that attacked their own allies just for the fun of it?
You've completely ignored what I've said, and still posted the same crap...

If you really want that question answered, why don't you answer this first :-

Would anyone have thought any alliances would have worked with Asc after the arbiter incidents and 7 alliance party on us?

Alliance politics is interchangable as long as you yourself are willing to change, and accomodate people to give them benefits as well. Nothing is set in stone.

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Nox could have been #1 or #2 if we'd have worked together with Asc.

They way it went, we can be happy if we end up #3

It shows that we didnt fail in playing the game but in doing the politics that would have been needed in the right situation.
Politics is part of the game mate.
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Seriously though, this is the first round that I can remember that people are making such a big deal out of 2 alliances being allied to eachother :/
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r23 eXi/VS too

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Denial was more than willing to take anyone on in a 1 vs 1 fight. It's not our fault that our opposition felt the need to go get backup from other allies, splitting the universe in 2 sides :|
The first night Denial hit STOOM they did so with the help of about 5ish other alliances. How in any way does that convey the idea that Denial wanted a 1 versus 1 fight. Granted, that this was after the ND fight.
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