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Unread 14 Apr 2009, 05:52   #1
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Angry New Portal & Skins

I understand and appreciate that people have put alot of time and effort into "doing up" the portal, in an attempt to make it more appealing/accessible/user friendly.

On one hand, I think its great that our new owner/PAcrew have put some effort into improving the game. On the other hand, i see the new portal, as it stands right now, as a HUGE step backwards for the game, and its ability to draw in more paying customers/players.


In my opinion, the Portal has gone from being impressive looking, if not slightly annoying to find important information, to what appears to be a 10 year olds interpretation of a "Spaceship," cruising across ones monitor amidst an intergallactic dandruff storm.

Is this the face of Planetarion, with which Fubra is hoping to bring new players/customers to the game? Is there a legitimate belief that this skin will attract new players, as opposed to make PA look cheap and not worth their time?

May i ask, who feels this is a step forward in the future of planetation? Do you feel this is going to be better at attracting new players than previous skins? Would you feel confident that you could open up the Portal, in an attempt to introduce someone new to the game, and not get an instant "Pfft?"

I want PA to flourish as much, if not more than the next person, id love more players and more active ones at that, but in my honest opinion, i feel that this Portal/Skin will have entirely the opposite effect.

I appreciate the time and effort put in, and the attempt to improve the game, i am trying to be constructive but honest, yet i do not feel that this is acceptable. Is it just me? Thoughts?
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Re: New Portal & Skins

if im going to be paying for a game, i'd appreciate a little more fun to be put into the portal than this
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Re: New Portal & Skins

hey, at least they ditched the Planetarjon logo on the portal. i still like it better than that ship though, but at least its being worked on. c'mon guys quit being so negative
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hey, at least they ditched the Planetarjon logo on the portal. i still like it better than that ship though, but at least its being worked on. c'mon guys quit being so negative
Zae, i think alot of us are doing our best to not be negative. Considering the material in question, i feel were being pretty damn positive. Tbh the portal is an absolute stinker. You can sugar coat a turd as much as you like, but its still a turd.

Does anyone think its an improvement on the r23 skin?
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Does anyone think its an improvement on the r23 skin?
Not taking the background image into account (i really hope that it's just a temp image) it is an improvement compared to the r23 skin.
Although it appears a bit dull it's much better to read and alot easier on the eye than the insane mix of color the r23 skin had (red, orange, yellow, blue, green in the same design wtf?)
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Not taking the background image into account (i really hope that it's just a temp image) it is an improvement compared to the r23 skin.
Although it appears a bit dull it's much better to read and alot easier on the eye than the insane mix of color the r23 skin had (red, orange, yellow, blue, green in the same design wtf?)
What about eye candy? People may be able to read things alot easier now, compared to r23 skin, but do you think theyd either stick around/not die of laughter long enough to want to?
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What about eye candy? People may be able to read things alot easier now, compared to r23 skin, but do you think theyd either stick around/not die of laughter long enough to want to?
That's why I said change the background pic and change the content boxes + menu's a bit.
There's a big difference between eye candy and just using every color known to man
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Re: New Portal & Skins

the only portal only had on real issue, which was hard-to-read text. why change it something like a looks like a blog made in powerpoint?

i appreciate the effort, Pete

<@zpeti> because I do understand that I don't understand the game that well

but maybe you should stick to things you do understand; portal designs clearly arent one of them

(edit: on a more constructive note)

i know at least one person that has offered their services in the development of a new portal design, in fact i've seen the layout and its definitely a step up from what we currently have as our default.

there should be an easier way for people to submit their own takes on how the games image should look, maybe a sub forum?
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Re: New Portal & Skins

I like the round 23 skin best of all the available ones.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

Here we go again. Owners that cant for the love of god get help from the community... Instead we end up with a portal that looks like its made by kindergarten children.

Please Please Please someone sort out something decent rather than the atrocity that is currently showing. MrLobster had a great suggestion up and it can be viewed here: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...77#post3167177
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MrLobster had a great suggestion up and it can be viewed here: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...77#post3167177
Those skins are a thousand times more appealing than the current ones.

For the love of all things holy, could someone please make an executive decision, throw the current skin to the proverbial sh*t heap, and work something out with Mr Lobster.

Amazing work, overlook it at Planetarions peril.
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Those skins are a thousand times more appealing than the current ones.

For the love of all things holy, could someone please make an executive decision, throw the current skin to the proverbial sh*t heap, and work something out with Mr Lobster.

Amazing work, overlook it at Planetarions peril.
i contacted him before the new design were done, he were gonna do some more work with it and get back to me, but i haven't heard anything since.
I'm guessing he's been busy, which obviously can happen to ppl
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Re: New Portal & Skins

What a shame, it's the biggest piece of crap I've seen in a long time (for a professional game i mean) If I didn't know the game I'd run away from it and check the parental settings of my comp in case someone put them on "4 to 6 years old only".
Luckily there is still the 'text only' skin.
It seems like the kid of the owner got a go at the new design, his dad must be so proud.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

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Re: New Portal & Skins

please whatever u decide to do, do not remove the round23 skin from templates.. i would really like to continue using it.. thanks
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ah damn, if u go to login page/signup page then its still the new one :S:S::S:S:S:S:S::S:S:S::S:S
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Pete spoke to MrLobster and told me there was an issue with using images from elsewhere.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

I agree, the current PA portal images are absolutely horrific and the new skin is the worst ive seen yet. That ridiculous 'spaceship' looks more akin to a air conditioning unit than anything flight worthy. Yes, its nice to see people putting effort into the game, but theres clearly alot more talent out there and its really worth devoting some time to the portal as its the first thing people see when signing up and will effect peoples decisions on whether to play or not more than any other factor ingame.

MrLobsters version looks x100 better, if we can get anything even close to that I would be very satisfied and am sure it would attract significantly more players!
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That's your answer? Seriously? And everyone in Pa Management is happy with that? I mean, to say I'm astounded doesn't go half far enough. What the **** is wrong with you people?

Actually, on a moments reflection, I suppose I don't really blame you Appoco, you have no financial interest in the game and you already invest a considerable amount of time in other areas, so thank you for that. But if that really is Pete's attitude then what hope is there?

I mean, how it's not *immediately* obvious to someone with an investment in PA that the direction suggested in MrLobster's designs is what the game should be moving towards is beyond me. But it seems Mr Pete is the kind of businessman who can see only problems in opportunity. Although in that regard he's no worse than anyone before him I suppose.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

Regardless of the problems with MrLobster's screenshots, who actually decided to go with this round 31 design?

Didn't anything bother criticising the design and the skin? I know that the round 23 skin isn't that appealing and needed replacing, but you've probably spent a fair amount of time implementing something which is equally awful.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

The current portal is far worse than the previous one. The previous one just looked ugly. This one reeks of incompetence.
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I concur... the 'space ships' look like graphics straight out of the 1980's.
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Re: New Portal & Skins

http://www.dumpt.com/img/viewer.php?...gb679mbvyw.jpg

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my god, laughed so hard at that one because it's sad.

i agree with vdm tho, rnd 23 skin is far from appealing, to much going on on one page. Not very appealing, but atleast it's better then round 31.

something more professional should be made. That ship looks like a hairdryer or a staplergun.
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(just for reference, transparent PNGs were used, but certain members of PATeam complained that it wouldn't work in IE6. Therefore I got the designer to change it to with background images.)
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(just for reference, transparent PNGs were used, but certain members of PATeam complained that it wouldn't work in IE6. Therefore I got the designer to change it to with background images.)
I'd be shocked to find anyone playing in IE6 that didn't use a text-only skin anyway. Considering IE is now up to v8, and IE6 is simply not found in home setups anymore (unless kept for a specific purpose), support for it is redundant.
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(just for reference, transparent PNGs were used, but certain members of PATeam complained that it wouldn't work in IE6. Therefore I got the designer to change it to with background images.)

If they really are against PNG's - perhaps a transparent gif would be another option.

Anyways, enough about this small detail. As not alot of people even notice this

[Edit: my bad, PNGs were shown - transparency however only worked in IE7 and above)
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(just for reference, transparent PNGs were used, but certain members of PATeam complained that it wouldn't work in IE6. Therefore I got the designer to change it to with background images.)
Its VERY easy to get Transparent PNG's to work correctly in IE6 - a tiny bit of JS will do the job.

And I know that the game uses JS so for the portal to not require it wqould be a daft reason.
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http://www.twinhelix.com/css/iepngfix/
You'd have thought that certain members of pateam would, you know, search for a solution instead of complaining that it *just cant be done*.
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Very nice. It needs more Ozzy Ozbourne though. Perhaps put him in the Pilot's seat.

Tbh, my first impression of the portal was "Oh, that is different." I was/am glad that it is clearer to read but I prefered the 'black' one. Mr Lobster's efforts are fantastic and I believe that something along his ideas are the way forward. The pages are clear to read and the plain to see advice would help newcomers settle into the game.

P.s. The new portal looks like most of the lame Facebook apps. Perhaps there is a link....
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try www.planetarion.com there's your link right there.
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Ok, i gotta say i was comming around to "ok ill accept this" with the new skin.
Untill i signed up!
This wanted me to cut my wrist!
HOW can potentional new players wanna play the game when the overview page looks like a christmasthree ?
Get ur shit together and change colours on the messages, its barely readable!
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http://users.telenet.be/Veedeejem/PA...rtal-final.jpg

Something I made a year or 2 ago or something, never got used either...

Tbh, I don't know why people like MrLobster, etc etc keep on designing stuff for planetarion, I've given up a long time ago since what you submit never gets used and then they put (pardon my french) crap like that online...
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Something I made a year or 2 ago or something, never got used either...

Tbh, I don't know why people like MrLobster, etc etc keep on designing stuff for planetarion, I've given up a long time ago since what you submit never gets used and then they put (pardon my french) crap like that online...
I dont think crap is french. Infact, im pretty sure it originates from somewhere in America
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If someone like Mr Lobster can come up with the design, rather than just dismissing it because external images are used, why don't you a graphics designer (which I'm sure FUBRA have) to design similar images.. You already have half the work cut out for you from the community so it can't be any more expensive than producing the current drizzle.
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Vdm's is alot better than this portal or the previous one as well.

Tbh I dont really understand image copyrights on the internet, and what you can or cannot use. But the helmet, imagine in Lobsters designs even says 'planetarion' on it - I doubt anyone would have a problem with it being used in the game it was intended for...
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Vdm's is alot better than this portal or the previous one as well.

Tbh I dont really understand image copyrights on the internet, and what you can or cannot use. But the helmet, imagine in Lobsters designs even says 'planetarion' on it - I doubt anyone would have a problem with it being used in the game it was intended for...
My memory may be a bit hazy, but im pretty sure the helmet wased used in PA r2ish? Surely when FUBAR took over from jolt, the images went along with it?
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I am quite annoyed about the responses I have gotten.

However, I definately agree with some of the criticism.

I like the general design, colours, boxes etc, and I most certainly will not be changing them. As I am glad a designer pointed out in the thread earlier, the r23 skin had way to many colours, it had too much information on it, it was extremely unclear for new players, and very daunting.

I have watched 3-4 people signup with the r23 skin and they had absolutely no idea where to start because of all the information, and then looked at me like wtf is this when they signed in and saw 10 different colours of messages.

I think the general colour design of the new skin is better, and it isn't as daunting.

However, I agree that the image sucks. So does anyone have some suggestions about what should replace it? I have a big batch of planetarion images (some of which are on MrLobsters design), and I could integrate those.

I understand the problem with the image, and I am up for changing it as I appreciate the feedback. I'm not sure what the problem is with the actual colours and boxes though.
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I am quite annoyed about the responses I have gotten.

However, I definately agree with some of the criticism.

I like the general design, colours, boxes etc, and I most certainly will not be changing them. As I am glad a designer pointed out in the thread earlier, the r23 skin had way to many colours, it had too much information on it, it was extremely unclear for new players, and very daunting.

I have watched 3-4 people signup with the r23 skin and they had absolutely no idea where to start because of all the information, and then looked at me like wtf is this when they signed in and saw 10 different colours of messages.

I think the general colour design of the new skin is better, and it isn't as daunting.

However, I agree that the image sucks. So does anyone have some suggestions about what should replace it? I have a big batch of planetarion images (some of which are on MrLobsters design), and I could integrate those.

I understand the problem with the image, and I am up for changing it as I appreciate the feedback. I'm not sure what the problem is with the actual colours and boxes though.
First some positive zpeti, finally someone who understands that all that christmas tree junk colourdisplay ingame is so ****ing annoying.

However when it comes to the portal, I was hoping for something a tad bit more than that lump of crap that could be called a ship as a graphic, plus that the logo really does not make any sense. It's a planet getting shattered by the name Planetarion? What does that have to do with the game?


Clean black is my choice. At least that can not fault me.
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First some positive zpeti, finally someone who understands that all that christmas tree junk colourdisplay ingame is so ****ing annoying.

However when it comes to the portal, I was hoping for something a tad bit more than that lump of crap that could be called a ship as a graphic, plus that the logo really does not make any sense. It's a planet getting shattered by the name Planetarion? What does that have to do with the game?


Clean black is my choice. At least that can not fault me.
I actually thought the "Planetarion badge" was the best part. I wasnt really interested in it being a vapour trail or god knows what, but it had colour, a bit and a bot of verve, which the rest of the page sure as FK does not have.

Like it or not, PA is up the creek unless if can bring new players to it. zpeti can chose the same colour scheme as a cremated corpse (kind of ironic in a way,) or something with a bit of flash and whizzbangWTF, which is probably one of the only things thatll save my beloved games arse.

Edit: I like the layout. I think its a fk load better than the previous setup. Surely, as a business man, you know what will attract customers better than I. This is the face of your business. Would you prefer a dirty old man blowing Planetarion into your mouth, or 12 year old girl (lol) whispering Planetarion in your ear?

I like the "Who's Online" section. perhaps itd be a little more positive if what was guests, was now showed as current users, just to make it look as if PA wasnt dead. A better idea, would be to perhaps show total players currently logged in (using the last 2 tick system, to fudge the numbers a bit, to give potential buyers a bit more of a positive outlook.)
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...I like the general design, colours, boxes etc, and I most certainly will not be changing them...
Worse than being incompetent must be incompetent and proud of it.
I don't know for the others, but I feel a bit of shame at what the design is becoming, I would never advertise nor admit I'm playing this game now.
Luckily PA portal is no use for most of us, and we still have the 'text only' skin. I can live with it as I'll only have to face it at login.
Are you not seeing how damaginfg it is for the image of the game ?
Tell us the truth, you commited it ? That would explain your blindness.
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I am quite annoyed ........... etc etc
the problem isn't the boxes or the colour - its the way its used in the poor design.
For instance, a true designer would never use backgrounds on his logo/headers.
Most use a transparent PNG so that the logo can be fitted anywhere without interfearing with the actual page-background. (thats only 1 small detail that seperates proffesional designers with wannabe's) PS: the background itself is truely poor quality.

Also, the use of current portal colours - those are not bad, just its too flat. Use more dept in the colour range that is used now (different shades of gray). Makes reading things easier, and it will approach the eye candy some people are talking about.

And for the ship (render) - I wont say its bad, it has potention aslong as someone finishes the design. Add some texture on it. Some details, make it more vivid/alive. As right now it looks like graphics we used back in the late 70's early 80's. Its not something that will 'sell' planetarion to new gamers.

Layout wise, the portal improved 100%. Things are certainly way easier to find now. And I dont need 10 minutes to search for things. Though Im not saying it is perfect, far from that.

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Grey on grey. Grey on blue. White on grey. Nearly all pages feel like they're using the same colours, apart from headers which are bold and links which are blue.

Use a colour contrast checker, although it's described as a tool for people who aren't able to view sites properly, it can help to show why your choice of colours sucks rather badly. If the colour and brightness difference isn't big enough then it isn't exactly a pleasure for people with perfectly normal eyesight to read.

Get someone to redesign/improve it instead of dismissing the opinions here (which are mostly disappointed). I'm sure the basic layout could stay along the same lines, but the rest of the skin needs work.
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I am quite annoyed about the responses I have gotten.

However, I definately agree with some of the criticism.

I like the general design, colours, boxes etc, and I most certainly will not be changing them. As I am glad a designer pointed out in the thread earlier, the r23 skin had way to many colours, it had too much information on it, it was extremely unclear for new players, and very daunting.

I have watched 3-4 people signup with the r23 skin and they had absolutely no idea where to start because of all the information, and then looked at me like wtf is this when they signed in and saw 10 different colours of messages.

I think the general colour design of the new skin is better, and it isn't as daunting.

However, I agree that the image sucks. So does anyone have some suggestions about what should replace it? I have a big batch of planetarion images (some of which are on MrLobsters design), and I could integrate those.

I understand the problem with the image, and I am up for changing it as I appreciate the feedback. I'm not sure what the problem is with the actual colours and boxes though.
well as said before i like the direction this is going, however i suggested some changes
to be found here: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...2&postcount=13

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i think the boxes should all be designed the same (like the Menu and Bulletin ones)
cause those colours look better and the overall look would be much better with 1 design instead of 2

the top frame buttons, need 1) the same layout then the boxes (again like Menu and Bulletin) and 2) some more hovering effect then just underlining)
i´d wish to see a flash designed topframe tbh

the spaceship is totally crap, think thats obvious by now

there is 3 options imo.
A) no spaceship and just a background
similiar to one of those:
http://www.eubaumgartner.ch/images/planeten1.jpg
http://www.planetarium-hamburg.de/fi...aneten_003.jpg
http://www.gratis-foto.eu/data/media...en_gruen_1.jpg

those suggestions i found in 2 minutes, they are not the ones i´d choose, they are just to point out what i mean

B) a spaceship
something cool pls and no tractor without tyres

c) both A and B combined

aswell the logo is crap (sorry) and it should be further on the left
while Planetarion should be written bigger (so the first you get to see is the logo and the name)

regarding those graphics (if your unsure if you can use old PA stuff)

why not have a competition, or 3 ones

get ppl to design
a logo
a background
a spaceship
in like 2 weeks

then have the community vote and the winner gets a free credit in each category
ofc ppl would have to agree that their gfx may be used by Fubra/Planetarion

this way you 1) get some better pics, i am pretty sure there is some real cracks out there and 2) you have the community take part in the process of the new PA

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Re: New Portal & Skins

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Originally Posted by LukeyLove View Post
Tbh I dont really understand image copyrights on the internet, and what you can or cannot use. But the helmet, imagine in Lobsters designs even says 'planetarion' on it - I doubt anyone would have a problem with it being used in the game it was intended for...
Like junglemuffin said, it was originally designed in r2-3 for planetarion by another volounteer.
Even the r23 portal / skin had an image on it designed by probably the same person. The blueprint of a ship in the top right corner...
Nobody made a point about it then so i don't see why now it would be a problem
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