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So what about Adelante?
With ComradeRob nicely summarising the Fury thread on this, the next obvious question is, 'What about Adelante?'.
Or at least, those Adelante now left without a core command staff. I don't believe by any stretch of the imagination that many of its members feel loyal and deep-rooted enough to form a BT-type attempted ressurection. But then again, no one has mentioed exactly who is left behind, and which of them is capable of such a feat.
And is anyone planning a collection fund for the alliance hoppers who left their old collegues to join the new big thing at the end of last round, only to find they're now homeless?
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I will take command of the steerless Adelante members and will lead them to glory!!!!
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25 Oct 2002, 14:17
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25 Oct 2002, 14:20
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25 Oct 2002, 14:26
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I heard that nearly a third or more of their entire membership are in command positions. It strikes me as a bit much. :/
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25 Oct 2002, 15:13
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25 Oct 2002, 15:13
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I heard that nearly a third or more of their entire membership are in command positions. It strikes me as a bit much. :/
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That's the product of mergers really. The various parties need to be given command positions to keep them happy, even if it doesn't really do the alliance any good. Since Adelante was made up of several smaller alliances (Adelante core, Vikings, OMG, DTA and probably others I've forgotten), there must have been a very great need for such 'sweeteners'
Conventional wisdom says that mergers don't work, and even in this 8th round it seems to hold true
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25 Oct 2002, 15:20
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Why even care about Adelante? 
I guess thats the way it was planned.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:28
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Originally posted by ComradeRob
That's the product of mergers really. The various parties need to be given command positions to keep them happy, even if it doesn't really do the alliance any good. Since Adelante was made up of several smaller alliances (Adelante core, Vikings, OMG, DTA and probably others I've forgotten), there must have been a very great need for such 'sweeteners'
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'Sweeteners' hmm... I have no idea how Adelante has placed in rankings, while I under most circumstances disagree with 'bribery' (candy makes one's teeth hurt after a while) through, as it generally doesn't work and leads to leadership breakdown, I can only assume it hasn't harmed Adelante, so they stand to prove some old myths wrong (i.e. mergers don't work). Of course this business with Fury could 'upset' my statements, but whatever.
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The thing is, of those you mentioned who 'merged' to form Adelante, neither are significantly large in their own right (were they separated from the main body). The 'mergers!=work' tends to be attributed to larger membership mergers, so it's not as if Adelante would have a difficult time with theirs. Though possible clashing of personalities could trip that up. 
P.S. can you close some threads? Thanks.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:31
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Originally posted by ComradeRob
That's the product of mergers really. The various parties need to be given command positions to keep them happy, even if it doesn't really do the alliance any good. Since Adelante was made up of several smaller alliances (Adelante core, Vikings, OMG, DTA and probably others I've forgotten), there must have been a very great need for such 'sweeteners'
Conventional wisdom says that mergers don't work, and even in this 8th round it seems to hold true
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bit of a shame really though :-(
it could have worked well it wasnt handled well in hindsight
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25 Oct 2002, 15:35
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
The thing is, of those you mentioned who 'merged' to form Adelante, neither are significantly large in their own right (were they separated from the main body). The 'mergers!=work' tends to be attributed to larger membership mergers, so it's not as if Adelante would have a difficult time with theirs. Though possible clashing of personalities could trip that up.
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not quite, before the mergers adelante had under 20 people
after the first merger the total grew at least 250%,
i cant remember who left OMG when i did, at a guess 15 or so which would still leave almost double the amount of what storebo's group had.
Vikings and the others polished it off nicely
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25 Oct 2002, 15:44
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
I heard that nearly a third or more of their entire membership are in command positions. It strikes me as a bit much. :/
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Untrue....
Was 3 hc's... 5-6 officers and 6-7 dc's and some bc's(didn't have the effect of real bc's more 1-2 bc's for each battlegroup had only the function of choosing targets) 2military officers served as milit hc's extended hands...
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not quite, before the mergers adelante had under 20 people
after the first merger the total grew at least 250%,
i cant remember who left OMG when i did, at a guess 15 or so which would still leave almost double the amount of what storebo's group had.
Vikings and the others polished it off nicely, there were just too many command positions given out
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The point remains that it's not a whole lot, regardless of percentage increase. Look to mergers such as BlueTuba (loose example, circa Round 2), WPO, Silver, and Legends. Those four being 'spotlight' mergers.
So again, it's not as if Adelante was a significant merger in of itself that would require so many command personnel. But hey, if it worked for their membership and brought Adelante the results it sought, far be it from me to disagree.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:46
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Originally posted by Morden
not quite, before the mergers adelante had under 20 people
after the first merger the total grew at least 250%,
i cant remember who left OMG when i did, at a guess 15 or so which would still leave almost double the amount of what storebo's group had.
Vikings and the others polished it off nicely, there were just too many command positions given out
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Adelante had around 30-40 when the merges happened..
plus maybe 15 from omg..
20-30 from vikings and 15-20 from dta.
U don't know the facts...
And command positions? tell me who where command?
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25 Oct 2002, 15:47
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
The point remains that it's not a whole lot, regardless of percentage increase. Look to mergers such as BlueTuba (loose example, circa Round 2), WPO, Silver, and Legends. Those four being 'spotlight' mergers.
So again, it's not as if Adelante was a significant merger in of itself that would require so many command personnel. But hey, if it worked for their membership and brought Adelante the results it sought, far be it from me to disagree.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:53
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Untrue....
Was 3 hc's... 5-6 officers and 6-7 dc's and some bc's(didn't have the effect of real bc's more 1-2 bc's for each battlegroup) 2military officers served as milit hc's extended hands...
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By my estimates... 18-21 command personnel in total.
Assuming there were 4 'battlegroups' (I'm using Rob's merger list as reference; I don't know specifically what you are referencing as 'battlegroup' so please correct me if needbe), four to eight BCs would exist. I negated to count the '2 military officers' as I assume those already existed within command.
18 to 21 persons, in an approximated 50-member alliance accounts for 36-42%... so in effect, I wasn't wrong. Math sucks.
I noted your 'Was' to mean that Adelante no longer exists in the same entity it was when it began Round 8? Have the whole of Adelante merged with Fury (if not full Fury membership, provisional in effect; wing?)? I seek only to know if the 'other' threads hold any substantial arguments before I spend any time on them.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:54
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Adelante had around 30-40 when the merges happened..
U don't know the facts...
And command positions? tell me who where command?
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and the numbers i was told were by adelante chappies on a rough numbers,
now remember that a lot of the people who broke away from ely left adelante to join other alliances when all did not look well?
i found a nice quites as well :-)
[16:37] <mongob0ffel> omg should eat adelante imo :>
[16:41] <mongob0ffel> **** adelante
[16:41] <mongob0ffel> recruit storebo and have him take with him the best members
[16:41] <mongob0ffel> that are left
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Clarification
'Command' in my definition has always meant anyone who plays a role in 'leading' something within an alliance; HC, BC, Officer, DC, etc. etc. etc. Essentially, anyone who is not an 'average member' and holds enough power to make decisions affecting the alliance.
'Command' has never meant 'just HC' to me. That may make things more clear.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:57
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
18 to 21 persons, in an approximated 50-member alliance accounts for 36-42%... so in effect, I wasn't wrong. Math sucks.
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25 Oct 2002, 15:58
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Originally posted by Storebo
Adelante had around 30-40 when the merges happened..
plus maybe 15 from omg..
20-30 from vikings and 15-20 from dta.
U don't know the facts...
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15 out of close to 60?
i know a very large chunk left when i did, nukester/queendax/parracida/perkeo/ along with the ones i was bringing from Fury, did Axis_WLF leave?
i must have underestimated peoples loyalty to me,
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Think they were 100+ members
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That's a significant increase in Adelante's membership than I've read. It's almost as if Adelante as a whole grew 50 members in a week. Huh.
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That's a significant increase in Adelante's membership than I've read. It's almost as if Adelante as a whole grew 50 members in a week. Huh.
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According to the member list I have lying here, adelante had 174 members.
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According to the member list I have lying here, adelante had 174 members.
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15 out of close to 60?
i know a very large chunk left when i did, nukester/queendax/parracida/perkeo/ along with the ones i was bringing from Fury, did Axis_WLF leave?
i must have underestimated peoples loyalty to me,
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u leaving.... we didn't trust all of them tho..
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According to the member list I have lying here, adelante had 174 members.
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that is a list taken from a test bot... other then that... adelante have around 120 members at this moment..
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25 Oct 2002, 16:21
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Originally posted by Morden
and the numbers i was told were by adelante chappies on a rough numbers,
now remember that a lot of the people who broke away from ely left adelante to join other alliances when all did not look well?
i found a nice quites as well :-)
[16:37] <mongob0ffel> omg should eat adelante imo :>
[16:41] <mongob0ffel> **** adelante
[16:41] <mongob0ffel> recruit storebo and have him take with him the best members
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Don't worry... I don't doubt mongob0ffel's loyalty towards me or Adelante... He told me everything..
Brooke away from ely to join adelante then left adelante to join elsewhere u mean? sounds weird... i took with me friends from Ely... and they have stayed there till this very day..
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25 Oct 2002, 16:24
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that is a list taken from a test bot... other then that... adelante have around 120 members at this moment..
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well that test bot seemed to have a fairly accurate list.
I must say that the DTA members were still on it.
So the membercount will be a bit lower idd.
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25 Oct 2002, 16:27
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well that test bot seemed to have a fairly accurate list.
I must say that the DTA members were still on it.
So the membercount will be a bit lower idd.
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I just gave u the membercount =)
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Don't worry... I don't doubt mongob0ffel's loyalty towards me or Adelante... He told me everything..
Brooke away from ely to join adelante then left adelante to join elsewhere u mean? sounds weird... i took with me friends from Ely... and they have stayed there till this very day..
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no you missunderstand the post.
at this time Adelante wasnt an alliance as such and was on loose ground, and he was as he put it a social/advisory member of adelante and just there due to his friends and doubted he would be a full member,
this is shortly after the attempted merger of adelante and mdk which didnt go through because mdk wouldnt allow adelante to have 2 hc level people.
i was just curious where the extra 20 members came from before mergers as from what i was told a lot had left to other alliances, several to mdk if i remember rightly and numerous other alliances, but then again i have no clue as you said
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no you missunderstand the post.
at this time Adelante wasnt an alliance as such and was on loose ground, and he was as he put it a social/advisory member of adelante and just there due to his friends and doubted he would be a full member,
this is shortly after the attempted merger of adelante and mdk which didnt go through because mdk wouldnt allow adelante to have 2 hc level people.
i was just curious where the extra 20 members came from before mergers as from what i was told a lot had left to other alliances, several to mdk if i remember rightly and numerous other alliances, but then again i have no clue as you said
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Well u don't have a clue yes... I think u have wrong members there... The first members was mostly darki and some of his friends... and hiddendragon and around 10 ely members... and they all stayed... And have been loyal for all this time. also some from yuba's batch could be some of thoose who didn't show up if u call it. Some of his men did not show up... But other then that....
And yes I do understand.... mongob0ffel informed me he had entered omg. And did so with my permission.. we wanted to take them over, based on his intel on omg. I can also post logs between me and mongob0ffel at this time... they are on norwegian tho.
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this is shortly after the attempted merger of adelante and mdk which didnt go through because mdk wouldnt allow adelante to have 2 hc level people.
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Actually they allowed us 2 hc level people at the last negotiations.
However there was some in Adelante who was very much against merging with MDK, so I saw it like this: Loosing friends to get people I don't know... not an option..
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Well u don't have a clue yes... I think u have wrong members there... The first members was mostly darki and some of his friends... and hiddendragon and around 10 ely members... and they all stayed... And have been loyal for all this time. also some from yuba's batch could be some of thoose who didn't show up if u call it. Some of his men did not show up... But other then that....
And yes I do understand.... mongob0ffel informed me he had entered omg. And did so with my permission.. we wanted to take them over, based on his intel on omg. I can also post logs between me and mongob0ffel at this time... they are on norwegian tho.
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i missinterpritted your post about not doubting his loyalties to you heh,
nm im going out and cba to argue over something that i dont feel like wasting my time digging up old logs etc other than that i havent got time to hehe.
/me will be back some time tomorrow
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Well in my post I said Adelante had 174 members at some point.
That's what I meant
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[08:46] <Hobbie^D2> how many members did Adelante have?
[08:46] <BDB> umm at what time hobbie
[08:47] <BDB> at are peak
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I'm who you want me to be
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Location: In a flat place, enjoying RL
Posts: 418
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Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
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Do you still play D2 regularly? If so - do you happen to know if DiabZ/Illegal still play it a lot?
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And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count... it's the life in those years
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25 Oct 2002, 17:26
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<randomadelante(ex)member> Adelante is dead, i need a new ally .. ...
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25 Oct 2002, 17:36
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#40
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wow that`s new
/me yawnz
anoying
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25 Oct 2002, 17:50
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w00t?
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Aalesund \o/ Posts: 3153
Posts: 38
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/me hops onto Morden
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R2: BlueTuba
R3: Elysium
R5: WolfPack
R6: WolfPack / Adelante
R8: Adelante / Fury
R9: WolfPack
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26 Oct 2002, 09:19
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100% irresistible
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Suomi
Posts: 192
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Hi Storebo.
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- cheerios -
Part of the Elysium legacy.
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26 Oct 2002, 09:26
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Originally posted by Darki
wow that`s new
/me yawnz
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Darki, actually that is true.
i have 4 logs, 2 from PMs and 2 from channels where adelante member asked for a new ally and such ..
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26 Oct 2002, 13:50
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¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Sept 2057
Posts: 1,813
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Originally posted by Rythms
Darki, actually that is true.
i have 4 logs, 2 from PMs and 2 from channels where adelante member asked for a new ally and such ..
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I have had to stop wearing ops on Ely public chan...
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in my sig i write down all my previous co-ords and alliance positions as if they matter because I'm not important enough to be remembered by nickname alone.
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26 Oct 2002, 17:32
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Noruega
Posts: 2,999
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hmmm
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Originally posted by mongob0ffel
/me hops onto Morden
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i STRONGLY suggest u stay with the usual cod`s, and not venture into the unknown *g*.
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26 Oct 2002, 19:28
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rumad
who cares?
whatever the members do i wish them the best.
So should you,.
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i do, but not for all hehe =
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26 Oct 2002, 19:31
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Adelante
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 855
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rythms
i do, but not for all hehe =
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who are the ones u wish evil?
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26 Oct 2002, 23:46
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w00t?
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Aalesund \o/ Posts: 3153
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Re: hmmm
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Originally posted by isildurx
i STRONGLY suggest u stay with the usual cod`s, and not venture into the unknown *g*.
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oi.
down on your knees you dirty little boy
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R2: BlueTuba
R3: Elysium
R5: WolfPack
R6: WolfPack / Adelante
R8: Adelante / Fury
R9: WolfPack
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27 Oct 2002, 14:15
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Rider of the Night
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 24
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merges never work... different alliances are funded because of some ppl wanting power or don't fit in any existing alliance.
when a merge happens we can divide the ppl over 3 groups actually: the egoistics, the powerhungry and the socials.
the egoistic are only in an alliance to get their own ass covered so they think the bigger the alliance is the better. ppl will not notice them giving no defense if the alliance is bigger but they'll swear off everything and everyone if they can't be covered when under attack themselves. in attacks they are alwast the most demanding on the targets and will take the best targets right away and if all the good targets are taken they will react about the same way as when they'll get no def.
the powerhungry are mostly the executives in an alliance and they will try to take things in they're own hands if they are in an alliance which stops to work efficiently. when there is a merge they want to have the same amount or even more power as they already have. if they can not obtain this they'll try to make the alliance disband and take most of the alliance members with them to another alliance where they do have that power.
the socials will act in the best of the alliance they are representing. some of these will encourage the merge others will discourage it with all their power. the socials most of the times are the steady core of an alliance.if they do not agree with the way things go they will keep pounding on it as long as it is heard and dealt with. these are almost always those who will leave if the situation isn't dealt with in a proper way in their eyes.
the best alliances have a good dividement of these groups in a good conversation between them. ofc there are more groups but none of these groups rlly matter on a merge. and most of the ppl in those groups can be put in one of these 3 'basic' groups
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proud to be [.] a reformation of [ICE]
R3: high cluster, n00b, TFD
R4: high cluster, n00b, HC of n00bish alliance, DD
R5: not playing, N/A
R6: 23:14:17, learning to be 1337, ICE
R7: 31:4:19, 1337 in n00b gal, ICE
R8: 43:3:7, 1337 in 1337 gal, ToT-i, Flash, MadCows
R9: 40:3:9, n00bish act, TFD
r9.5 11:10:9 --> 9:1:5, ow i'm 1337, TiT
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27 Oct 2002, 14:35
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Arrogant Fck
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 1,031
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rumad
FAnG worked.
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FAnG work S
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