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Unread 15 Feb 2006, 15:21   #1
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I like the way the BBC makes this point
here is a nice little bit of dry humour from the BBC, regarding criticism of China's controls over the internet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4715044.stm

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He [Mr Liu Zhengrong, deputy chief of the Internet Affairs Bureau of the State Council Information Office] also said that only a "very few" foreign websites were blocked, and that was mostly because they contained pornography or terrorist information.

The BBC News website continues to be blocked in China.
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Re: I like the way the BBC makes this point
Humour is in very short supply on the BBC website, so thats a nice touch.
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Unread 18 Feb 2006, 02:22   #3
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Re: I like the way the BBC makes this point
well, the beeb will keep posting stories about al'qieda and such...

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Unread 18 Feb 2006, 02:58   #4
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i don't get the humor??????1
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Re: I like the way the BBC makes this point
They're saying the BBC has porn on it or terrorist material.
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Unread 18 Feb 2006, 12:47   #6
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They're saying the BBC has porn on it or terrorist material.
At least terrorist material is certainly true - it just depends on your individual definition.

I guess its the same about the "nobody has been arrested for posting their opinion on the internet". In germany you can get arrested and severly punished if you are involved in actions trying to abolish democracy or overthrow an elected government. I assume many other countries like the UK and the US also have such laws. Now apply such a law from the perspective of china.

Did you know that its now common for search engines to be filtered/censored in germany?

A german federal state is issuing orders for ISPs to supress certain internet sites for 2 or 3 years now. So far the courts have usually backed those orders up. Recent law changes in germany made it pretty impossible to find out which internet sites are blocked/filtered while in the past an adult could (after quite some hassle) get a list of those adresses. Now that nobody can verify whats blocked anymore, the range suddenly seems to increase a lot - for example a US site about body modifications (piercing, tattoos) is now beeing filtered/supressed in german search engines. All due to "protection of the youth" and recently the EU has mentioned that youth protection on the internet has to be increased and pointed at germany as a good example of how it should be done.

Yes i can very much understand the viewpoint of china.

ps: and also he said "that was mostly because they contained pornography or terrorist information." -> 'mostly'
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Unread 18 Feb 2006, 16:13   #7
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At least terrorist material is certainly true - it just depends on your individual definition.

I guess its the same about the "nobody has been arrested for posting their opinion on the internet". In germany you can get arrested and severly punished if you are involved in actions trying to abolish democracy or overthrow an elected government.
Well they arent getting arrested for posting their opinion on the internet, are they. Theyre getting arrested for being involved in actions trying to overthrow the government. Theres a significant difference between expressing an opinion, and committing a speech act deliberately designed to incite violence. For example, if I say "I hate black people" then this should be protected under free speech, but thats different from saying "I hate Mr Smith the black man, could someone go kill him please, his address is 32 Guilmont Drive, London".

Not that this distinction matters much here since I assume that starting pro-nazi websites or denying the holocaust online is illegal in Germany.
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Unread 18 Feb 2006, 16:39   #8
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i don't get the humor??????1

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Silversmoke, read between the lines. How often do I use that many question marks? Do you notice the '1' after the question marks? I was being silly. It is obvious sarcasm. I know why you don't understand half the things I say, it is because you take them at face value. Maybe when you and I learn how each of us communicate, then we wont be at each others throats all the time.
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Well they arent getting arrested for posting their opinion on the internet, are they. Theyre getting arrested for being involved in actions trying to overthrow the government. Theres a significant difference between expressing an opinion, and committing a speech act deliberately designed to incite violence.
You think its stating your opinion and the government sees it as incitement of the people or something equally weak defined like Article 301 of the Turkish penal code or §166 of the german StGB.

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For example, if I say "I hate black people" then this should be protected under free speech, but thats different from saying "I hate Mr Smith the black man, could someone go kill him please, his address is 32 Guilmont Drive, London".
Thats something different because the second case is seen as participation in planning or incitement of a crime. Saying "I hate black people" is just as long an opinion till somebody thinks you are stirring up racial trouble in germany. What was a "sniper" in 1997 or an activist freeing animals, can nowadays be declared a terrorist (both happened in the US).

Several of these things are very borderline though - i remember the legal discussions arising from a webpage listing medical doctors who participate in legal abortions in the US. With photo, adress, workingplace and as much additional info as possible...
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Silversmoke, read between the lines. How often do I use that many question marks? Do you notice the '1' after the question marks? I was being silly. It is obvious sarcasm.
This wasn't really that obvious I'm afraid.
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Silversmoke, read between the lines. How often do I use that many question marks? Do you notice the '1' after the question marks? I was being silly. It is obvious sarcasm. I know why you don't understand half the things I say, it is because you take them at face value. Maybe when you and I learn how each of us communicate, then we wont be at each others throats all the time.
Who were you being sarcastic towards?
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Yeah I take things at face value, because I do not detect things like sarcasm and cynism dud..

But seriously, I don't dislike you. There isn't anyone on here I really can dislike actually. Maybe I'm just an offensive tit sometimes.
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Several of these things are very borderline though - i remember the legal discussions arising from a webpage listing medical doctors who participate in legal abortions in the US. With photo, adress, workingplace and as much additional info as possible...

thats very wrong tbh
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