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Unread 27 Dec 2005, 15:08   #1
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The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

An odd selection, and one of GD's favourite discussion points taking the 20th Century award. Your thoughts gentlemen?

  • 1900 to 2000: Oswald Mosley
    (1896-1980)
  • 1800 to 1900: Jack the Ripper
  • 1700 to 1800: Duke of Cumberland (1721-1765)
  • 1600 to 1700: Titus Oates
    (1649-1705)
  • 1500 to 1600: Sir Richard Rich (Lord Rich of Leighs)
    (1496/7-1567)
  • 1400 to 1500: Thomas Arundel (1353-1414)
  • 1300 to 1400: Hugh Despenser (The Younger)
    (died 1326)
  • 1200 to 1300: King John
    (1167-1216)
  • 1100 to 1200: Thomas Becket
    Archbishop of Canterbury
    (c.1120-1170)
  • 1000 to 1100: Eadric Streona
    (died 1017)
How the list was compiled
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Unread 27 Dec 2005, 15:22   #2
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

Needs more Keynes.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

"Worst" lists even more than "best" lists seem to be fairly difficult/pointless to compile. I mean, for all of Mosley's rhetoric, what long lasting impact did he actually have? The BBC says he was "an inspiration for far-right groups in the UK". And they've done what exactly?

Similarly, I'd probably nominate Thatcher for the 20th Century one but I am under no illusions that clearly she was a better (/more moral) person than, say, Ian Brady.

Most of the people on the list seem to just people people who are historically unpopular for one reason or another.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

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Needs more Keynes.
yeah, keynes.

and what about Darwin ('social darwinism etc.)?

And Newton, Mill (i seem to remember his book hitting top 10 'evilest books ever'), and Maxwell. Evildoers.

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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

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An odd selection, and one of GD's favourite discussion points taking the 20th Century award. Your thoughts gentlemen?

  • 1900 to 2000: Oswald Mosley
    (1896-1980)
  • 1800 to 1900: Jack the Ripper
  • 1700 to 1800: Duke of Cumberland (1721-1765)
  • 1600 to 1700: Titus Oates
    (1649-1705)
  • 1500 to 1600: Sir Richard Rich (Lord Rich of Leighs)
    (1496/7-1567)
  • 1400 to 1500: Thomas Arundel (1353-1414)
  • 1300 to 1400: Hugh Despenser (The Younger)
    (died 1326)
  • 1200 to 1300: King John
    (1167-1216)
  • 1100 to 1200: Thomas Becket
    Archbishop of Canterbury
    (c.1120-1170)
  • 1000 to 1100: Eadric Streona
    (died 1017)
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What's wrong with Prince William Augustus ? Seems alright to me.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

Voted Cromwell.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

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and what about Darwin ('social darwinism etc.)?
Darwin's not responsible for social darwinism [1] .
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

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Voted Cromwell.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

20th century (and contending for 21st century) honors to..............Skiddy (just because he feels left out when not mentioned in lists.)

18th century honors to ................................Dead Meat
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

"So who was the worst Briton of the 20th century?"
"Adolf Hitler!!!!"
"He was naughty but I'm not sure we can include him as a Briton"
"Umm ok... how about Oswald Mosley?"


I'd go for Winston Churchill.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

Personally, im thinking theres Harold Shipman missing somewhere in there.

And from a purely scottish perspective , Thomas Hamilton for his actions at Dunblane as theres not much more evil than a massacre of unarmed children.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

In before someone posts a list of 10 brits from this forum.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

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In before someone posts a list of 10 brits from this forum.
We still have 10 Brits on this forum? I thought wed been invaded by 300 scandanavians.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

This isn't 1066 dear.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

Nor the famous bar-brawl in 893 at the Lindisfarne "Pub".
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

Thatcher should be on that list for not being historical enough yet.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

jack the ripper? ffs, im fairly sure there were plenty of british people who caused much greater suffering during the 19th century.
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Re: The Top 10 "Worst Historical Britons" ever

I only know Jack the Ripper I think, unless King John is the one from Robin Hood!

They're both evil, one took lives. Other one took money (and lives?)...
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