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Unread 16 Feb 2006, 14:10   #251
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

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just as an aside, has anyone else seen that the MP's have excluded their own commons bar from the ban? bit shit if you ask me
That's because the Palace of Westminster is a Royal Palace and thus exempt from health and safety legislation. It's not a clause saying "smoking is banned in enclosed spaces (except the House of Commons bar ho ho ho)".
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That's because the Palace of Westminster is a Royal Palace and thus exempt from health and safety legislation. It's not a clause saying "smoking is banned in enclosed spaces (except the House of Commons bar ho ho ho)".
But surely the exact same arguments the govenment used to bring in the change of law should be aplicaple to those that work in/use the palace?
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But surely the exact same arguments the govenment used to bring in the change of law should be aplicaple to those that work in/use the palace?
I'd imagine that because it's a Royal Palace it's treated as a residence rather than as a place of work. If H&S extended to Palaces then members of the Royal Family wouldn't be able to smoke in their own homes in case their butlers got cancer. (And not even this Government is suggesting banning people smoking at home.)
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

do they have to have a license to sell alcohol on the premises there? I wonder if it might be a loophole to have your "house" licensed to sell beer.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

I couldnt give half a shit for any pro-smoking (or "pro choice") arguments.

From a purely selfish point of view, i hate smoking, i hate smokers, i hate the smell of smoke, and it being banned is objectively awesome. The rest of you can get tangled up in a waste of time "people have teh right!!!!!!!" argument, i'll count off the days and celebrate.
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I couldnt give half a shit for any pro-smoking (or "pro choice") arguments.

From a purely selfish point of view, i hate smoking, i hate smokers, i hate the smell of smoke, and it being banned is objectively awesome. The rest of you can get tangled up in a waste of time "people have teh right!!!!!!!" argument, i'll count off the days and celebrate.
I can't believe you stated a personal preference three times and then claimed it was objective.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

I don't mind smoking being banned in public houses etc. It's soon 2 years since it was banned in Norway. It's amazing how cleaner the air inside feels. But, there's a but, now that the smoke is gone from the pubs/discos, the bodysmells appears. Amazing what the smoke covered for eh?

Another question: How long (if at all) do you think it takes before smoking is totally banned and made illegal? I mean.. even hashish used to be legal once.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

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I can't believe you stated a personal preference three times and then claimed it was objective.
You forgot to click your heels three times then.
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You forgot to click your heels three times then.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

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That's because the Palace of Westminster is a Royal Palace and thus exempt from health and safety legislation. It's not a clause saying "smoking is banned in enclosed spaces (except the House of Commons bar ho ho ho)".
What? People can just leave boiling acid over the place, rusty barbed wire, some rabid dogs and to top it off, a nice layer of asbestos on top?
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What? People can just leave boiling acid over the place, rusty barbed wire, some rabid dogs and to top it off, a nice layer of asbestos on top?
They're not exempt from being sued for negligence*, they just don't have to comply with "safety in the workplace"-type laws. (I doubt Her Majesty's bedroom has a luminous green "FIRE EXIT" sign over the door, for instance.)

*Except the Queen personally, obviously, so Her Majesty's free to leave lying around all the boiling acid she likes, though I suspect she wouldn't appreciate her corgis being called "rabid".
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

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Another question: How long (if at all) do you think it takes before smoking is totally banned and made illegal? I mean.. even hashish used to be legal once.
As soon as they find an alternative way to raise £5 billion a year in taxes probably.
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smoke-related illnesses in "not costing the NHS any money at all" dramabomb
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The smoke healthcarecost argument is not something I buy. Beacause smokers die earlier, they also costs the state less in terms of pensions, healthcare and elderly homes. Of course they cost more when they live, but untill I see some decent research that proves smokers cost more, then that argument is not valid in my eyes.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

and if they die earlier they pay less tax.
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Re: Total smoking ban passed (previously "Get in my son")

I dont think smoking cuts the living age that much, most probably reach pensionage.
Of course, I'm not sure that they cost less/more/equal, but the argument is not valid as long as there is no proof!
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either way though, i'm fairly sure that if smoking was banned and everyone had far more money to bandy around, taxes could go up with less complaint than normal.


(FYI people who can't stop smoking are idiots for letting the habit go beyond their own control. i smoke less than a pack a week on average and stopping does not present a problem, and while I'm obviously an extremely light smoker, anything over 5-a-day points to idiots with severe self-control issues.)
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either way though, i'm fairly sure that if smoking was banned and everyone had far more money to bandy around, taxes could go up with less complaint than normal.
Why would "everyone" have more money than usual? I'm pretty sure if smoking was banned I wouldn't be any richer personally.

I've not seen any definitive stats on this either way, but it does make sense that smokers contribute more money than the extra they utilise (in terms of health, etc). Not that that should determine social policy either way, of course.
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