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Something worries me
I missed LBGT (university les/bi/gay/transsexual society) night yesterday. I don't remember any of it but I'm told I was carried back to my room at about 8pm after downing a bottle of vodka during one of my Ubermensch moods.
All normal and expected so far. I am terribly grateful to my neighbours for assisting me; they were perfectly considerate and jovial today. What worries me is what they must have thought of my room. I don't get many visitors you see. In fact I can only remember three visits over my three-year course so far: my sister, some prospective students looking around the rooms, and a girl from lectures who politely asked me to stay away from her.
Isolation changes your priorities; when you're always cooking for one you just don't have the time for spices, and I've never bothered with furnishings. That's right, I don't have a rug. Looking around my room now I can see glaring signals of weirdness that must have stuck in my colleagues eyes.
It's the little things. For example, I haven't bothered with a pillowcase, which coupled with the bare walls and my chin-up bar creates quite a prison or army aura, which is somehow strengthened by the hundreds of pages of maths notes strewn about the floor. These empty shelves... my CD collection consists of one album, Violator. Term only started last Thursday but I've got several identical empty wine bottles lined up (half price at Sainsbury's). My only other possessions are my cactus Russell and my laptop. Thank God I had a cute picture as my desktop wallpaper instead of the usual gay fisting porn.
I'm sure I'm worrying about nothing. My helpers must have been too busy watching me vomit blood to notice the decor but I wonder whether it would be worth spending a bit to pretty up the old domicile. I don't really have the money but I could allocate a hundred pounds or so if I cut back on the self-harm budget. What do you think?
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Re: Something worries me
I don't know exactly why but I think you're awesome.
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12 Oct 2005, 22:49
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Re: Something worries me
Unless you get things that you would actually use at some point then I would say no don't bother. It will just be a waste of money. If you want things there that badly could you take some stuff from your parents house? Just borrow a few movies/cds, grab a few books or so from. Maybe take the pillowcase from your old bed or something.
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Re: Something worries me
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Originally Posted by midge5
Unless you get things that you would actually use at some point then I would say no don't bother. It will just be a waste of money. If you want things there that badly could you take some stuff from your parents house? Just borrow a few movies/cds, grab a few books or so from. Maybe take the pillowcase from your old bed or something.
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I agree totally. I'm going back home on Friday for a driving test and I'll be sure to bring back a bag full of clothes. The thing is, you really don't "use" decoration like posters, flowers, photos, etc. Or rugs, unless you go for a picnic, I suppose. Yet people still buy them, perhaps as conversational matter or because they make a room more homely.
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12 Oct 2005, 23:02
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Re: Something worries me
Surely you should work on being self-confident enough not to worry what others think, and deciding how you want your environment, instead of spending hundreds on fitting in? I really liked your post.
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12 Oct 2005, 23:03
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Re: Something worries me
Do you think you have a crumby room because of the lack of visitors? Or do you have a lack of visitors because of the crumby room?
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Re: Something worries me
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Surely you should work on being self-confident enough not to worry what others think instead of spending hundreds on fitting in?
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That doesn't make a lot of sense I think, it sounds like he has been living for a long time in a very non fitting manner. The way he writes the entire situation doesn't sound like someone who wants to fit in very badly, does it?
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Re: Something worries me
Do they have heterosexual nights at universities anymore ?
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Re: Something worries me
He was concidering spending money on chaning his room. He was concidering that due to worrying about what others thought of his room. Doesn't this sound like someone who wants others to like his room, i.e. fit in? It was hardly a highly athletic logical jump.
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Re: Something worries me
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Surely you should work on being self-confident enough not to worry what others think, and deciding how you want your environment, instead of spending hundreds on fitting in? I really liked your post.
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Thanks.
The problem I see with that logic is that a room or house doesn't just serve a single purpose. It is for sleeping and working but also for entertaining guests. When my sister said she was coming round I bought some Yorkshire tea, even though I'm not a tea drinker myself.
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A cheap way to brighten up your room (well free if your going there anyway) is to take a trip to a local cinema. Your notice they have posters all over the place but what happens to them when they have no more use for them, exactly they are generally thrown out. Politly ask if they have any you could have (maybe spin a small white lie about it being for courswork on movie advertising to be doubly sure) and they should hand some over no problem. You now have some wall decoration and hopefully a couple will be for a decent movie and you wont get stuck with posters for movies that make your room seem even more embarising.
If you want some flowers tp brighten up the room maybe try the same at a florist at the end of the day or week.There will be some flowers they willbe throwing out that are past being sellable but which would still look ok and you might be able to pick up for free
A rug also could probally be found very cheaply at a charity shop.
Ofc none of these things are really needed but as you said it simply makes things seem a bit more homely by putting your own mark on the place rather than keeping it a little bland
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Re: Something worries me
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Do they have heterosexual nights at universities anymore ?
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The only "homosexual" night or similar to do with Cambridge University is Unique@Club 22 (why they've stopped calling it Life in official missives is beyond me), and there are, in a city of many many many many homosexuals and many many many many many pubs, only 2 or 3 "gay" pubs, which are in a little triangle to the North East of town just past the Grafton.
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Make it look homely with a poster of a tree frog.
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Re: Something worries me
It's good to have a social room, with chairs etc. But just make sure you don't end up with a room that's not very queball i.e. a room you're not comfortable in.
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12 Oct 2005, 23:23
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Re: Something worries me
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Thanks.
The problem I see with that logic is that a room or house doesn't just serve a single purpose. It is for sleeping and working but also for entertaining guests. When my sister said she was coming round I bought some Yorkshire tea, even though I'm not a tea drinker myself.
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If you are just thinking about things to help you entertain people then I would forget about posers/plants and that sort of thing. Unless you acquire them for free by by taking them off the wall in the student union like a few people I know. They don't really serve much purpose except help the room not look bare, and you can manage that for free by taking stuff from home.
Perhaps make a few custom music CDs which you can play when people come over so they have more choice than just your one album. Perhaps just keep a few snacks about so you can offer people food and drink. Other than that I wouldn't worry, as long as people can sit somewhere. Especially as you say you are strapped for cash. I mean most of my mates houses are absoloute pig stys, no one cares about that so I doubt anyone would really keep about one nearly bare. Assuming you are happy with it like that (which Iguess so if you coped for three years) and aren't trying to make it look more homely anyway.
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Re: Something worries me
you missed the kylie minogue tribute act
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"nobody likes a homo"
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"nobody likes a homo"
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Re: Something worries me
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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
The only "homosexual" night or similar to do with Cambridge University is Unique@Club 22 (why they've stopped calling it Life in official missives is beyond me), and there are, in a city of many many many many homosexuals and many many many many many pubs, only 2 or 3 "gay" pubs, which are in a little triangle to the North East of town just past the Grafton.
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Me and a friend went out to a pub in Cambridge across from where he used to live...
After about half an hour we got slightly intrigued by the people around us and the music playing...
then we put two and two together and realised what kind of pub it was.
Then we realised we probably looked like a gay couple and decided to leave...
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Re: Something worries me
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Me and a friend went out to a pub in Cambridge across from where he used to live...
After about half an hour we got slightly intrigued by the people around us and the music playing...
then we put two and two together and realised what kind of pub it was.
Then we realised we probably looked like a gay couple and decided to leave...
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how very brave and manly of you!
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Re: Something worries me
sure, you realised after you got in...
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Re: Something worries me
permission to take that out of context.
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13 Oct 2005, 01:40
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Re: Something worries me
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Originally Posted by Ste
Me and a friend went out to a pub in Cambridge across from where he used to live...
After about half an hour we got slightly intrigued by the people around us and the music playing...
then we put two and two together and realised what kind of pub it was.
Then we realised we probably looked like a gay couple and decided to leave...
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hrmm that happened to me on monday, basically i went to portsmouth uni to see a friend for his 21st bday anyway after going out sunday nite and bein in the casino until 5am I was hungary and wented a fryup. So we went to the uni but it was packed so we crossed the road and saw that a pub was serving food. Walked in ordered two pints and sat at the back of the pub. We looked at the menu and saw that all food was £2 so we thought ofc we will eat here. I went to the bar to order and the gay seemed very camp. Thats when I looked around and saw a group of camp men bitching, moving my eyes further around I saw there were pictures of dame edna, kylie and graham norton!? Anyway I told my friend he looked and we both aggreed the lack of females, pink decor, pictures and campness did mean a gay pub. Anyway we thought **** it makes no difference to us we arent gay. It was a bloody good fryup as well. Although when our mates came to pick us up they were like "you do know this is a gay bar" to which we replied "yes" they seemed rather puzzled as to why we were there but heh who cares.
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Re: Something worries me
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permission to take that out of context.
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how very brave and manly of you!
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Re: Something worries me
I'd be more worried whether or not they saw the severed limbs in the shower quibble
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everything from living in a dirty stinking pit to drinking vodka until you puke up blood rather smacks of some pretty serious depression.
a couple of tins of black paint ought to complete the look.
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Arent there any nice and colourful paintings that you like queball?
My current room is really bare (white walls, no wallpaper, white ceiling, grey bedcovers etc) but I bought a print of weeping woman to brighten the place up a bit. Normally though I just rely on the horrendous mess on the floor to distract people's attention from the lack of decor generally present in my bedrooms.
Also since when was having a rug in your room the 'normal' thing?
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Jesus ****ing christ what the ****ing ****.
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13 Oct 2005, 10:31
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Re: Something worries me
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Jesus ****ing christ what the ****ing ****.
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well wouldn't you weep if you were that fugly?
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13 Oct 2005, 10:39
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Re: Something worries me
I don't have pillow cases either. Or bedsheets. Keeping in mind I dye my hair and don't really keep too clean my bed looks pretty digusting.
My desk does have about 30-40 empty packets of crisps on it to keep things interesting though.
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I don't have pillow cases either. Or bedsheets. Keeping in mind I dye my hair and don't really keep too clean my bed looks pretty digusting.
My desk does have about 30-40 empty packets of crisps on it to keep things interesting though.
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arent you the one who never washes his clothes?
you must smell disgusting,
i shall have to try and forget the mental image i now have of you or i shant be able to eat my lunch, quite repulsive.
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Re: Something worries me
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Originally Posted by madi
arent you the one who never washes his clothes?
you must smell disgusting,
i shall have to try and forget the mental image i now have of you or i shant be able to eat my lunch, quite repulsive.
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He's not as dirty and smelly as I thought he'd be. He scrubbed up ok when I saw him in Croydon (maybe he'd had his annual bath recently?).
When I started uni (and in my 2nd year) I had little to no possessions. I had to fly over from Jersey, and you can only bring 25kg of stuff (with a bit of lenience because we're students, so say 35kg). Which isn't much.
I used to get called "No-Possessions Tom" by my friends, and on my birthday they bought me loads of cheap stuff to make my room a bit less plain.
My room is ok now - I don't like posters or anything, but simply having DVDs and things makes the room look slightly more interesting.
A colourful duvet cover does wonders, too.
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Re: Something worries me
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What do you think?
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I find that I worry about how others can perceive my house yet rarely do anything about it. Recently I had some guy I liked suggest popping over to my house - to which I said that would only make me panic because it was a 'mess' - I actually didnt want to give a bad impression of my lifestyle to him. I now think this was a mistake :\
So yeah, I don't know what the moral of this story is.
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I used to get called "No-Possessions Tom" by my friends.
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Re: Something worries me
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Make it look homely with a poster of a tree frog.
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I have that posted.
Am I a stereotype? His name's Milfy.
Anyway, a visit to Ikea will be both cheap and productive in spicing up your room. You can get some nice rugs for 99p to £1.50 and rugs are good for breaking up and personalising those nasty cheap and unimaginitive carpets that tend to be commonplace in university rooms. You can get colourful pots and things to put iny our room cheaply too, you don't need to put anything in them but they at least give you a bit of colour in your room even if they serve no purpose. They're like £2 for 3 pots or something and they're red, green and blue so you can strategically place them around the room to "snaz" it up a little.
The theme I have gone for in my room is a tranquil tropical paradise. Blue is both calming and also helps to stimulate your brain when working. I have a number of posters, in total I've spent £15 over 2 years on posters. The posters not only give a calming atmosphere but they also give me something to look forward to in some obscure and fancy pansy way.
Anyway, I have this sea one, this boat one, this panoramic one, this beachy one, this one from a beach in antigua and I do believe that is it for my tropical paradise. I also have a tree frog but thats not tropical, its just green. I have these cows too because I used to have them as an avatar and I thought that Diasy and Mary were rather nice. I also have Billy the Giraffe who I adopted from a game reserve in Africa.
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13 Oct 2005, 11:58
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Re: Something worries me
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you must smell disgusting
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I'm not too bad. I tend not to sweat at all. I do however now wash my shirts every week not because of smells, but because under UV lights (when clubbing) they show up any fluff / crap which gets in the way of getting your groove on.
Obviously I still don't do my trousers though as I generally wear a skirt when clubbing.
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Re: Something worries me
queball's biography has just confirmed queball to be the best person on the internet.
Biography:
i just had a dream where i was with a twelfth century peasant girl and it was lovely but i woke up when i remembered the paradox of changing my own history particularly the bit when i told her about differential calculus
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Re: Something worries me
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I generally wear a skirt when clubbing.
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what?
Why would you do that? because it's comfortable, or because it's cool to flirt with homosexuality/transexuality/feminity, or what?
Just curious
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Why would you do that? because it's comfortable, or because it's cool to flirt with homosexuality/transexuality/feminity, or what?
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Because it looks good. And girls like it. I'm not very interested in homosexuality although I'm sure it fascinates some.
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pics plz
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Re: Something worries me
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Because it looks good. And girls like it. I'm not very interested in homosexuality although I'm sure it fascinates some.
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Is transvestism a big thing with london civil servants, or just you two?
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I'm not a civil servant damn you!
And neither is T&F anymore probably (ho ho) but I'll let him make a thread about that.
And as far as I know it's not a widespread thing.
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Re: Something worries me
Just because it feels good, doesn't make it right, oh no.
Probably.
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Re: Something worries me
Recently I have been waking up in the middle of the night with the notion that there are people in my room (not people wishing me harm, but people I am entertaining).
edit: To make this sound slightly less odd I should point out that I am living in halls and it is not uncommon for a group of friends to go to one of their rooms to pursue some interest or other.
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Re: Something worries me
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My current room is really bare (white walls, no wallpaper, white ceiling, grey bedcovers etc) but I bought a print of weeping woman to brighten the place up a bit.
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Why dont you get some wallpaper showing photo's of old men dying too?
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so f*cking zen
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I find that I worry about how others can perceive my house yet rarely do anything about it. Recently I had some guy I liked suggest popping over to my house - to which I said that would only make me panic because it was a 'mess' - I actually didnt want to give a bad impression of my lifestyle to him. I now think this was a mistake :\
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****ING MITOSIS!
It's the only ****ing explanation.
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Re: Something worries me
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ANOTHER gay?!
****ING MITOSIS!
It's the only ****ing explanation.
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I'm still playing Planetarion though and its round 15 now. Can't I use that in my defense for environmental reasoning?
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13 Oct 2005, 23:34
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Lord Denning
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Re: Something worries me
I used to have some nice Monets, but my mother stole them and put them in one of the guest rooms and replaced them with two drawings of some rather fat pigs and a painting of Veronica's Veil, which disturbs me when I wake up in the middle of the night.
And you think you need to redecorate.
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so f*cking zen
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Re: Something worries me
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I'm still playing Planetarion though and its round 15 now. Can't I use that in my defense for environmental reasoning?
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Gay AND still playing PA???!!!
There's no hope for you duder.
End the pain now.
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