LOTR - Return Of The King

[JonnyBGood]

Let's face facts, absolutely nobody* would have actually wanted to sit through the extra hour to do the bit at the end with Saruman. I was dreading sitting through it.






*geeks aren't real people.

[MrL_JaKiri]

*the people who buy the extended editions.



At least he could have shot the damn thing.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by nickhall

Bah stupid scene - an undefetable creature killed with two blows but she gets hit twice with a mace (once on the head) about 1/2 her size and gets up to kill him, wtf no no no!!!! and it was just so cheesy - so wrong.

Blame Peter Jackson's interpretation.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

At least he could have shot the damn thing.

It would have made a better movie if he'd shot all the geeks instead.

[Nondescript Human]

Excellent film, best of the three. There did seem to be multiple endings however. Not that I found it overlong, but I was beginning to wonder if it would ever end.

[Dilly_D]

right, just went and picked up a ticket...I get to go see it in 1.5 hours, and am like, all excited and shit

:Aragorn:

[Luckeh!!!!]

Originally Posted by Nondescript Human

Excellent film, best of the three. There did seem to be multiple endings however. Not that I found it overlong, but I was beginning to wonder if it would ever end.

I just saw it, i thought it was gonna end when that ship sailed off, but no... still more...

[SomeOneYouKnow]

argh argh argh,
i cant wait to watch it...
i think im gonna watch it 2 days later

[Dilly_D]

aside from the ending that just wouldn't come....that was certainly one of the best films I've seen, and definitely the best of the 3

And that Gimli...I nearly pissed myself when he spoke, funny funny

:Gimli:

[Luckeh!!!!]

Originally Posted by Dilly_D

And that Gimli...I nearly pissed myself when he spoke, funny funny

:Gimli:

"That sitll only counts as one!"

[Dilly_D]

Originally Posted by Luckeh!!!!

"That sitll only counts as one!"

"little chance for success, certain death.........what are we waiting for?"

or something to that effect

[Deepflow]

im leaving to see it in about 10 minutes...

and i bet ill love it

wahey!

[Dilly_D]

I'm convinced that you will

[W]

Many people have raised the same issues, but I'll list them anyway;
Sam leaving was out of character. I was like "ok, Frodo told him to go home, wonder if he'll stick with them anyway, or hang back a while and follow unseen" and he starts going home?!? And once he left, why go back after he discovers the lembas, didn't he already know they'd be there?
The multiple endings was utterly gay, it could have ended after the crowning of Aragon. I was absolutely convinced (I blame the internet) that Sam and Frodo would start kissing. I didn't like his (the guy who plays Frodo) acting elsewhere, but you just gotta respect being able to do such a scene and not breaking out in laughter.
The ghost army was cheesy, woulda made a bit more sense if they were corporeal and there was some actual fighting, not just "oh we're invincible, our side wins gg thx4playin".
Eowyn was kinda left dangling after Aragon left, but her fighting was cool, and I didn't think the "I'm not a man" line was cheesy at all.
The mad guy burning his own son was kinda out of nowhere, they should either have developed them more (as others have hinted they are in the book) or cut that part of the story out entirely.
And what happened to Gandalf's dragon-repellant light after he used it once? Why not again as the Nazgül attack the city?

In the books, does Sting (Frodos "sword") have any other magic abilities than warning of orcs?

I cried at Aragons crowning.

The fight scenes all rocked.

[Deepflow]

i havetn read the book for about 2 years and theres a lot in it... but i THINK that sam never does actually leave and start to go home in the book... could be wrong. And the whole "why go back after the lembas" thing is something else i was thinking about, you can only guess that he was in such bad condition his mind wasnt working properly, or some other rubbish.

i think the general idea is that :Gandalf: is generally just marshalling all the defences etc of minas tirith and doesnt have time for random general things like dragon repelling.

they did develop mad guy more in the book.

i dont THINK sting has any extra powers... actually, almost certain it doesnt.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Sting just has the ability to detect orcs, as well as being a pointy thing.

Viggo Mortisson forgot how to act in the last third.

The ghost army was a bit of a deus ex.

The Dwarf stuff was rubbish.

So was the Legolas/Spiderman bit.

So was the random orc captain; all he ever seemed to do was 'Something else... flash to the orc. Orc shouts KILL! or somesuch, flash back.' Is he just a gratuitous deformed orc?

The funniest thing in the film is the 'My body is broken' line, because my mind automatically said after it 'and my mind is old and bent'.

There was no voice of saruman

There were many discontinuities, but the worse won was probably that the hobbits were the same height at the end (the ent brew that was in TTT; I can't remember whether it was just in the EE or not) given that Pippin and Merry were taller and referred to as taller.

The hillarity of the 'on fire and run off the cliff!'

The way he cut out saruman so he could include the worst parts of the random endings, The scouring should have been included too. People said before the film that it would make the end drag on too much BUT IT DID ANYWAY, and is one of the better parts of the trilogy.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

So was the Legolas/Spiderman bit.

There were many discontinuities, but the worse won was probably that the hobbits were the same height at the end (the ent brew that was in TTT; I can't remember whether it was just in the EE or not) given that Pippin and Merry were taller and referred to as taller.

The hillarity of the 'on fire and run off the cliff!'

1) wrong. that was ace. he was climbing up on the arrows that had hit the Oliphaunt in ninja style. excellent little touch.

2)agreed. that was the biggest sticking point for me at the end of the film (other thnan the whole hothobbitsex0r aspect)

3)That was worthy of a laugh.

edit: plus, it needed a whole lot more palantir going on. EE maybe?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Phang

1) wrong. that was ace. he was climbing up on the arrows that had hit the Oliphaunt in ninja style. excellent little touch.

I know what he was doing. It was like riding the shield down the steps in the Two Towers; silly and unnecessary.

At least the hobbits stopped being 'comedy'

[Deepflow]

legolas was amusing... and the girls love him... leave him be, the lovely little fellow.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Girls also like reading ChickLit. It doesn't make it good.

And Legolas was not amusing.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Sting just has the ability to detect orcs, as well as being a pointy thing..

Any enemies actually, not just orcs :P

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Viggo Mortisson forgot how to act in the last third..

There wasn't much in the way of talking for most of the film actually. They didn't show how important and dangerous going into the paths of the dead was either. In the book there's a chance Aragorn won't be accepted. In the film it was pretty much accepted, and rushed too. Oh well.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The ghost army was a bit of a deus ex..

Well how else would they have done it? You can't hit a ghost, so the orcs were pretty much screwed.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The Dwarf stuff was rubbish..

Was an improvement though, they didn't use him for the "funny short man" as much.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

So was the Legolas/Spiderman bit..

It was ok, a little cheesy. Apart from that Legolas did nothing, so he needed his "moment".

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

So was the random orc captain; all he ever seemed to do was 'Something else... flash to the orc. Orc shouts KILL! or somesuch, flash back.' Is he just a gratuitous deformed orc?.

Yes.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

There were many discontinuities, but the worse won was probably that the hobbits were the same height at the end (the ent brew that was in TTT; I can't remember whether it was just in the EE or not) given that Pippin and Merry were taller and referred to as taller..

Nerd.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Any enemies actually, not just orcs :P

No, just orcs.

Originally Posted by Tomkat

There wasn't much in the way of talking for most of the film actually. They didn't show how important and dangerous going into the paths of the dead was either. In the book there's a chance Aragorn won't be accepted. In the film it was pretty much accepted, and rushed too. Oh well.

No, I mean the way his accent went american.

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Well how else would they have done it? You can't hit a ghost, so the orcs were pretty much screwed.

I've not given it much thought, given I'm not actually making the film. But having the army of undead swarming through the entire orc army in a matter of moments was a bit over the top.

Originally Posted by TomKat

Was an improvement though, they didn't use him for the "funny short man" as much.

Just because it was worse in the other films, making it less bad in this one isn't an improvement.

Originally Posted by TomKat

It was ok, a little cheesy. Apart from that Legolas did nothing, so he needed his "moment".

Why do they need to give him a 'moment'? He's had enough coverage in the rest of the films; they didn't feel the need to give Gimli a 'moment'.

Originally Posted by TomKat

Nerd.

Lol I like films to make sense lol.

[Deepflow]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Just because it was worse in the other films, making it less bad in this one isn't an improvement.

I would have thought that was the definition of an improvement. Although i personally enjoyed the stupid dwarf stuff.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Why do they need to give him a 'moment'? He's had enough coverage in the rest of the films; they didn't feel the need to give Gimli a 'moment'..

When Gimli fights it obviously doesnt look as "cool". + he is not as pretty, its a film, concentrating on the more aesthetically pleasing fighters is obviously going to happen. Thats kind of the whole premise between kung fu films... fighting that looks really neat.

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Lol I like films to make sense lol.

lol i like films to be fun lol

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

I would have thought that was the definition of an improvement. Although i personally enjoyed the stupid dwarf stuff.

Insert 'much of an'

Originally Posted by Deepflow

When Gimli fights it obviously doesnt look as "cool". + he is not as pretty, its a film, concentrating on the more aesthetically pleasing fighters is obviously going to happen. Thats kind of the whole premise between kung fu films... fighting that looks really neat.

You can have aesthetically pleasing fighting without him surfing down an elephant's trunk.

Originally Posted by Deepflow

lol i like films to be fun lol

'Lol I think films that are internally consistent aren't fun lol'?

What?

How does not having silly errors make the film less fun?

[Deepflow]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

You can have aesthetically pleasing fighting without him surfing down an elephant's trunk.

but why would you do that when you could on the other hand... have someone surfing down an elephants trunk

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

'Lol I think films that are internally consistent aren't fun lol'?

What?

How does not having silly errors make the film less fun?

thing is... i dont let things like that spoil my enjoyment of the film... you obviously do...

also, i would put say... 95% of the moviegoing public in my category, people have other things to worry about in life without being anal about films. Its escapism.

[Belgarath The Sorcerer]

Originally Posted by nickhall

what love story!!! it was built up so much for him to turn around and just say 'i cannot give you what you want'

That was Eowyn, not Arwen. It is a love story of sorts, it's just that a lot of it (Eowyn and Faramir) was left out, all we got was Eowyn lusting after Aragorn and him doing his best to ignore her.

Originally Posted by MrL_Jakiri

So was the random orc captain; all he ever seemed to do was 'Something else... flash to the orc. Orc shouts KILL! or somesuch, flash back.' Is he just a gratuitous deformed orc?

That was Gothmog, Lieutenant of Morgul. Well, there's enough evidence to suggest it was.

[sayonara]

Forgot to mention:

Orlando Bloom as Legolas == shit.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

but why would you do that when you could on the other hand... have someone surfing down an elephants trunk

But why do that when you could get cinema staff to stab you through the foot?

Originally Posted by Deepflow

thing is... i dont let things like that spoil my enjoyment of the film... you obviously do...

also, i would put say... 95% of the moviegoing public in my category, people have other things to worry about in life without being anal about films. Its escapism.

Correct continuity is something that takes very little effort, and not doing it, to use your figures, is like saying 'Hey, I can't be bothered with this! Lets piss off the 5 most lucrative percent of our audience!'

[Deepflow]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

But why do that when you could get cinema staff to stab you through the foot?

how exactly do you propse to get them to do that? but i take your point, you are unable to suspend belief and enjoy yourself... fair enough... poor thing

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Correct continuity is something that takes very little effort, and not doing it, to use your figures, is like saying 'Hey, I can't be bothered with this! Lets piss off the 5 most lucrative percent of our audience!'

id imagine they spent hundreds of thousands on continuity in making the trilogy anyway. One oversight (if it actually is an oversight... i havent seen it) is not particularly important when you consider all the things they must have done. + maybe they decided that the dramatic and aesthetic device of having them all the same height (equal etc, so they looked more uniform and "pretty" was worth more than continuity and just decided to forgo the height issue for that scene. You couldnt really have the hero of the film looking short in his major recognition scene... would seem silly somehow.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

id imagine they spent hundreds of thousands on continuity in making the trilogy anyway. One oversight (if it actually is an oversight... i havent seen it) is not particularly important when you consider all the things they must have done. + maybe they decided that the dramatic and aesthetic device of having them all the same height (equal etc, so they looked more uniform and "pretty" was worth more than continuity and just decided to forgo the height issue for that scene. You couldnt really have the hero of the film looking short in his major recognition scene... would seem silly somehow.

He's MEANT to be shorter; carrying the ring was a thankless task. In the book, even when they got back to hobitton, all the attention was on Merry and Pippin, and not on Frodo's ordeal.

[Phang]

other than the height thing id say yes, mark is being a wee bit overcritical. But the height thing really WAS very annoying.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Phang

other than the height thing id say yes, mark is being a wee bit overcritical. But the height thing really WAS very annoying.

Why can't people just make a serious film nowadays?

[Cynical Oracle]

Originally Posted by Bloomers III

i didn't like it at all, and didn't liek the other two. but i went becuase my friends wanted to! i thought it was tedious and boring, with the most irritating ending ever (because i kept thinking "yes it's finished!" only to be dealt a cruel blow). in the majority of the film nothing was happening, and the onyl worthwhile part was the battle and that wasn't amazing.

i don't like it, but i'm sure people will be like omgwtf it's an excellent story you are a twat and have a bad imagination. well i don't care, i don't like it and think the storyline is rubbish and i hope i never have to sit through and watch any of them ever again.

Yepp

[Dante Hicks]

I watched the film last night (downloaded copy admittedly). It was fairly enjoyable, but a few comments :

1. This is in line with the book I suppose, but I would have liked to see more of the army of the dead in terms of the battle. We had 10 minutes of Gondor getting done, 2 mins of the Riders of Rohan kicking some arse, then 2 mins of them getting done, and then 30 seconds when Aragorn (with his +10 Sword of Justice) and his army obliterate everyone else in 30 seconds. The battle was impressive though.

2. A few things I missed from the book ; Gandalf's face-off with the Nazgul Chief, the men being inspired by Aragorns sword, the Orcs being frightened by the 'Elf Warrior' Sam, people making more of 'the White Rider' (they have the 9, we have the 1, etc).

3. The Eowyn bit with the Nazgul was pretty cool, although the "I'm no man" line was a little bit too Hollywood version of Macbeth for my tastes.

[Deepflow]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

He's MEANT to be shorter; carrying the ring was a thankless task. In the book, even when they got back to hobitton, all the attention was on Merry and Pippin, and not on Frodo's ordeal.

thats the book for people who can read though... not the film for dullard joe public.

[Tomkat]

I watched it again last night with the family, and I noticed a couple more things...

The "orc chief" bloke has a Jeremy Beadle hand. Teehee.
Plus I suppose he was there to show the orcs did have SOME order, rather than just being a rabble of green skinned people that all look the same.

And at the end - can anyone verify this for me. The guy who is fawning over his pumpkin, in the pub. Is that the same actor who played Smeagol?

And why doesn't Gollum scream in agony when he falls in the molten lava? It's more of a kind of "oh, look, i'm in lava" than "ow this is hideously painful".

And how do Frodo and Sam survive on top of Mount Doom, with all the toxic gases ;o

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

thats the book for people who can read though... not the film for dullard joe public.

The point would remain in the film version, you know.

[SomeOneYouKnow]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

And how do Frodo and Sam survive on top of Mount Doom, with all the toxic gases ;o

or wear nothing and walk in there ?

[Luckeh!!!!]

Originally Posted by SomeOneYouKnow

or wear nothing and walk in there ?

Hero characters are invincible

[Deepflow]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The point would remain in the film version, you know.

yes... but the counter points remain. Also the point about the people who view the film being less likely to pick up on this type of thing and less receptive to subtle plot devices still stands. And Peter Jackson obviously decided that it was worth it.

good for him

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

yes... but the counter points remain. Also the point about the people who view the film being less likely to pick up on this type of thing and less receptive to subtle plot devices still stands. And Peter Jackson obviously decided that it was worth it.

good for him

OK, so you've decided to get rid of Spaced, Black Books, Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park, Futurama, Monty Python, the works of David Lynch, American Beauty, The Godfather Trilogy, the works of the Coen Brothers, American Psycho, Fight Club, Se7en, LA Confidential, The Usual Suspects, the works of Quentin Tarantino, Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, Citizen Kane, The Truman Show, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Leon, Schindler's List and many more.

This whole 'Don't include things because some people may not understand them!' isn't really working is it?

[Deepflow]

the films you mentioned didnt get nearly as many people coming to see them as lotr... probably

so... yes it is!

P.S Listing irrelevancies doesnt normally win arguments.

*hugz*

I read the thread. Thanks 4 spoiling it guyz.
THANKS A BUNCH!

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

the films you mentioned didnt get nearly as many people coming to see them as lotr... probably

so... yes it is!

P.S Listing irrelevancies doesnt normally win arguments.

*hugz*

No, however I think a list of examples of how things that aren't lowest common denominator can be very good (compare that to, say, Under Seige and the like. Hell, even Terminator 2 has elements that could not be understood by your 'I don't understand what's going on, help I can't remember what happened before' crew) is quite relevent.

Oh, and as for money... Se7en, American Beauty and many more films with 'Obscure' elements are in the top 100 grossing films of all time. Hell, in America, Finding Nemo sold similar amounts to the two towers.

Of course, that's film, on TV we have the examples of The Simpsons and Family Guy, the former being legend, the latter being made again due to it's immense success on DVD.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by W

Many people have raised the same issues, but I'll list them anyway;
Sam leaving was out of character. I was like "ok, Frodo told him to go home, wonder if he'll stick with them anyway, or hang back a while and follow unseen" and he starts going home?!? And once he left, why go back after he discovers the lembas, didn't he already know they'd be there?
The multiple endings was utterly gay, it could have ended after the crowning of Aragon. I was absolutely convinced (I blame the internet) that Sam and Frodo would start kissing. I didn't like his (the guy who plays Frodo) acting elsewhere, but you just gotta respect being able to do such a scene and not breaking out in laughter.
The ghost army was cheesy, woulda made a bit more sense if they were corporeal and there was some actual fighting, not just "oh we're invincible, our side wins gg thx4playin".
Eowyn was kinda left dangling after Aragon left, but her fighting was cool, and I didn't think the "I'm not a man" line was cheesy at all.
The mad guy burning his own son was kinda out of nowhere, they should either have developed them more (as others have hinted they are in the book) or cut that part of the story out entirely.
And what happened to Gandalf's dragon-repellant light after he used it once? Why not again as the Nazgül attack the city?

In the books, does Sting (Frodos "sword") have any other magic abilities than warning of orcs?

[...]

The fight scenes all rocked.

^^

[W]

Originally Posted by Leshy

[...]

Oh so hard you are

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by W

Oh so hard you are

Well, why write a whole post when everything I wanted to say was already said?

[Belgarath The Sorcerer]

Let's all not lose sight of "willing suspension of disbelief".

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Belgarath The Sorcerer

Let's all not lose sight of "willing suspension of disbelief".

Willing suspension of disbelief is irrelevent in matters of internal continuity.

And things like the Elven Spiderman Incident are breaking the spell in a horrible, horrible way.

[W]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Willing suspension of disbelief is irrelevent in matters of internal continuity.

And things like the Elven Spiderman Incident are breaking the spell in a horrible, horrible way.

Oh shut the **** up, you're entirely alone in your opinion of movies, and noone here wants a piece of it.