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Continuity or Performance?

I was just watching Garden State with directors commentary and he pointed out numerous areas where the continuity spotters would have a field day. In one scene there are several shots where the position of a doctors glasses changes quite a lot. He stated that he chose the best performance over continuity in scene changes.

Personally I agree that it's good to pick the best performance, although I do sometimes find continuity errors can be rather distracting from the film itself.

If you were to direct a film (with a decent sized budget) what would your be your priority?
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

If critics would say that my film lacks continuity,
then I would say I chose best performance over continuity
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

I find that I rarely notice such things, and that it does not detract from the movie when I do.

Really when you are engrossed in the story it is rather difficult to pick these things up. Personally I don't tend to focus on the angle of the shot vis the placement of particular objects.

Even films like the Matrix - which has dozens of continuity errors - never really bothered me. As long as the director makes a decent stab at smoothing the worst of it out, I don't think it could ever detract from the quality of the film.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

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I find that I rarely notice such things, and that it does not detract from the movie when I do.

Really when you are engrossed in the story it is rather difficult to pick these things up. Personally I don't tend to focus on the angle of the shot vis the placement of particular objects.

Even films like the Matrix - which has dozens of continuity errors - never really bothered me. As long as the director makes a decent stab at smoothing the worst of it out, I don't think it could ever detract from the quality of the film.
I was thinking this but in a movie you've watched loads of times you will eventually notice every little error and it may become irritating.
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I was thinking this but in a movie you've watched loads of times you will eventually notice every little error and it may become irritating.
I think that even then it tends not to annoy me very much. Again I've seen the Matrix dozens of times (studied it in highschool etc) and I still don't get annoyed when I notice some of the errors.

If you watch Garden State over and over again sure, you might pick one or two of them up, but I don't think it detracts from the overall story to the point where you throw your hands up in consternation.

I tend not to nitpick films. Continuity errors are perhaps trivially interesting, but they don't make or break a movie, even on the fifteenth rerun.
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I was thinking this but in a movie you've watched loads of times you will eventually notice every little error and it may become irritating.
But you can't anticipate that the majority of film-goers will watch your film several times in order to pick up on the continuity errors.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

I'll usually tend to pick up on continuity errors after watching a film 2-3 times, or more. For some reason I've found it demeaning in some instances in movies where you can tell they're doing something just to see if they can (ie extra special effects, a guy gets shot and flies across the room), where they could've done it simpler and made it more realistic.

My biggest pet peeve with movies is adaptations. Taking books, and then giving them the hollywood treatment to make them more exciting, or change certain parts of the story. I totally understand the need to cut out certain things since books can be quite long, but completely changing the story, or who's in a scene, or who says what line, drives me nuts. I find myself sitting through the movie, and saying I loved the book a whole lot better, and I can't believe they didn't just stick to what was in the book, if it's good enough to make into a movie, why do they need to change it. I will mention, I think the adaptation of The Rainmaker, is probably one of the closest movies to a book I've seen, and being that it's one of my favorite books, I was gald they got one right for a change.

Back to the topic, I think that continuity is good, but performance will always win out, and you can blame the stage or prop manager for continuity if it comes down to it. If it's really noticeable, when editing, you can always re-shoot the scene.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

Most of the things people call continuity errors don't really matter to me (e.g. how filled a glass water is, how large a cigarette is when someone smokes, etc). Obviously if they're too blatant they can be mildly distracting, but I'm not sure how often that happens (even things like haircuts changing slightly mid-scene don't really bother me). I guess I'm not a very visual person.

Other types of continuity errors annoy me slightly more. In Clerks it's supposed to be a Saturday but then other things seem to indicate it's midweek. And then if characters behaviour is out of synch with their earlier statements / characterisation that generally annoys me. But they're usually writer errors, not director / cinematographers.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

Never watched it, but according to Crew tab from Amazon, it was written, directed, produced, and edited by Kevin Smith. So in this instance, it would be pretty much all on him for continuity.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

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But you can't anticipate that the majority of film-goers will watch your film several times in order to pick up on the continuity errors.
What about you as a film-maker, you would know every little imperfection there was, wouldn't it bug you then?
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What about you as a film-maker, you would know every little imperfection there was, wouldn't it bug you then?
Of course - although I'd try to make damn sure that there weren't any screw-ups in the first place.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

whilst continuity doesn't really annoy me that much as say, plot discrepencies*, i'd probably place good value on it nevertheless just because i'd want my work to be somewhat perfect i guess.

*garden state has a shitload of this, but i was able to look past them as just take it for what it's worth as a watch-able film. it's main issue is that everything that actually happens is so cliche it's quite laughable, the whole abyss thing was awful. however it is a pretty "nice" film, plus natalie portman is cute as hell.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

If the film's good enough it doesn't really matter. For instance, in Star Wars (I foget which one) Leia shouts "Mark!" instead of "Luke!", and no-one goes "Oh look how stoddy this film is!" or "That yoda looks like a bloody puppet!"

Film makers shouldn't be that bothered with either, but instead they should make sure the plot enrapures the audience, that way they won't really care.
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Re: Continuity or Performance?

In the future DVDs will have both "continuity" versions and "performance" versions, as well as the "worst takes" version.

And everyone will still be using the frame-by-frame function to find the part where Jessica Rabbit's dress flips up.

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My biggest pet peeve with movies is adaptations. Taking books, and then giving them the hollywood treatment to make them more exciting, or change certain parts of the story. I totally understand the need to cut out certain things since books can be quite long, but completely changing the story, or who's in a scene, or who says what line, drives me nuts. I find myself sitting through the movie, and saying I loved the book a whole lot better, and I can't believe they didn't just stick to what was in the book, if it's good enough to make into a movie, why do they need to change it.

I'm with u there ... hollywood had a tendancy to *disney * an ending (make it happy)... they dont do it so much now, but the worst culprit of the was First Knight .. an aurthurian tale... without a merlin .. and in the end the loving couple run off together .. to live happily ever after.
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