r 5 5 mid round sumup

[BloodyButcher]

So what's happening.
Apprime seem to be roiding well, same with faceless who are pretty plump.
ROCK seems to be on top of things politicaly and CT seems to be strong with no war with Vikings this round.

[eksero]

ult is winning

[Clouds]

There's more diversity without blocks.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Clouds

There's more diversity without blocks.

I think its more due to no top tier alliances this round.
Nobody seems to be all around good enough.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

I think its more due to no top tier alliances this round.
Nobody seems to be all around good enough.

There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Clouds

There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.

Wich ones?

[Scott]

I heard a rumour

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by Clouds

There are top tier alliances, they are just smaller this round.

All competing alliances have more than 50 members

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Nitros

All competing alliances have more than 50 members

There's a difference between "competing" and "top tier/competent". Of course all the competing alliances are above 50, anyone below this can't win due to numbers.

[Clouds]

No, I just find the trolls boring nowadays.

[Mzyxptlk]

Ah yes. Disagree with something? Losing an argument? The solution is simple! Accuse everyone of being trolls and claim the moral high ground. Welcome to AD.

I am genuinely interested in hearing which alliances with fewer than 50 players you consider 'top tier'. I wasn't getting ready for a hilarious smackdown, you know, I was just curious.

Here's what I think: there are no top tier alliances this round. The only ones who could make that claim are Ultores and Apprime, and neither seem to be bothered enough to play on that level.

I'm assuming Vikings was your candidate; It's a good alliance, but not top tier. Come back when you've truly dominated multiple rounds, like Ultores and Apprime both have.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Ah yes. Disagree with something? Losing an argument? The solution is simple! Accuse everyone of being trolls and claim the moral high ground. Welcome to AD.

I am genuinely interested in hearing which alliances with fewer than 50 players you consider 'top tier'. I wasn't getting ready for a hilarious smackdown, you know, I was just curious.

Here's what I think: there are no top tier alliances this round. The only ones who could make that claim are Ultores and Apprime, and neither seem to be bothered enough to play on that level.

I'm assuming Vikings was your candidate; It's a good alliance, but not top tier. Come back when you've truly dominated multiple rounds, like Ultores and Apprime both have.

Good post. You should moderate AD....

[Clouds]

Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing. Prior to last round, Apprime struggled to hold their roids.

And no I was not suggesting that Vikings are a top tier alliance. I was clearly suggesting that the smaller tags are more efficient at holding their roids than the larger ones.

Of the full tags, I would say that Spore are the only ones who are competent enough to hold their roids.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing. Prior to last round, Apprime struggled to hold their roids.

And no I was not suggesting that Vikings are a top tier alliance. I was clearly suggesting that the smaller tags are more competent at holding their roids than the larger ones.

Of the full tags, I would say that Spore are the only ones who are competent enough to hold their roids.

Just cos they don't play on that level recently, doesn't mean they didn't use to be dominant, like MZ said

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by eksero

Just cos they don't play on that level recently, doesn't mean they didn't use to be dominant, like MZ said

You're talking years ago, this debate is clearly about current alliances.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by Clouds

You're talking years ago, this debate is clearly about current alliances.

That might be, but they were still dominant back then, and they are still playing now..

[Scott]

I hear that CT are getting roided tonight....

[Androme]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Apprime were only a top tier last round only because of agar3s to be honest, as he was the only one who bothered DCing.

So far from the truth...but we'll let your fickle mind wander.

ROCK this round are trolling Apprime because they can't really war anyone else.

Faceless seem organised and in with a shot for t3 finish.

Spore and CT gonna battle it out for #1 but I reckon HR will get the last laughs come the end of the round.

In the words of some circus dwharf, Ultores will probably end up winning because of agar3s to be honest, as he will be the only one who will bother DCing.

[Motti]

Ult won by t1.
App backstabbed, cheated and did dirty politics to help ult.
All other alliances deserved the win more.

[Mzyxptlk]

Of course, I'm just talking potentials. There are no alliances playing this round at a top-tier level.

I hate how pretentious that sounds, but there you have it.

Apparently we're sort of agreeing! See how nice this is? Perfectly pleasant conversation! Don't expect bogiemen under every bed.

Especially not your mum's.

BOOM!

...

I'm sorry.

[Nitros]

Indeed

[DrunkenViking]

Ult are gangbanging like a mother****er from what i hear

[Illusion]

Yes Ult are actually ganging up on CT at the moment, so they get 1/7 of a deserved payback after CT and theyr block ganged up on Ult for 7 rounds. Ult have a history of being ganged upon, not ganging up, which is why find your posts very ironic

[Illusion]

Kaiba: Thanks alot for bringing the reality to the table, with exactly the same experience i've had (tho 6 rounds in Ult for me), but havent had the oppurtunity to put into words in the same organized way.

[Kaiba]

Also..... IMO..... *Disclaimer* (this my own opinion and not a flame)

There is 5 teirs of alliance within this game over the past 15 rounds

1) Top Teir - Ultores/Apprime/FanG

Im not sure if Ascendancy played in the last 15 rounds but they would be put in here too. Basically these 4 alliances have dominated the top 4 slots for many rounds of PA. Apprime might be lazy and trolling now but they were and can still be a devestating war machine when they want to be. When Irvine was running FanG they were nigh on inpenetrable defensively. Ultores were a political juggernaut that steamrollered everyone. Asc were probably the complete alliance and the main members did disperse into the other 3 alliances mainly.

ND teir: NewDawn are kind of a weird alliance. For the most part they drop into the mid teir alliance catergory but it seems when MM HCs for them that he has an ability to get 110% out of the members and they are capable of winning a round. They are a completely different alliance when he is incharge, that is why i have given them there own teir.

Mid Teir: CT, Vikings, Spore, xVx

These alliances are always there or there abouts. They dont have the planet management skills to see a round out though. Can be quite politically shortsighted or naive when it matters too. That is basically what seperates them from the top teir and why unless kingmade (hello CT) by a top teir alliance they will never win PA under their own steam, they crack like an egg when the shit hits the fan.

Lower Teir - HR/ROCK/Inneundo/DFWTK/any other alliance of 40 members in the last 10 rounds.

Never can compete with the bigger boys when it matters, they play more for social enjoyment. There is nothing wrong with this and they are all great alliances. Just competing wise it is never gonna happen for them over a full round.

The rest - Basically all those 20 and under tags that have played together. Not a lot to say, probably the most effective ones have been FOCKERS or ToF which could be a real thorn in the side of major alliances early round.


There have ofc been exceptions to this like when ROCK took in 30 brazilians and probably stepped up a teir for a round so and so on, or one round alliances like Evo and so on, but for the most part no alliance has stepped up into the top teir alliance in the last 15 rounds.

[BloodyButcher]

In my recent memory of PA r45 ult came in preblocked with XvX, R49 they blocked vs FAnG, and every round since theyve not been close.
Clearly the last rounds been dominated by App, ND and CT, none of these you would call hardcore alliances i assume.

[DrunkenViking]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

In my recent memory of PA r45 ult came in preblocked with XvX,

Again, wrong. Thought i showed you logs etc to back this up at some point? Talk about broken record.
Here's the logs:
http://pastebin.com/F9a1hRXr

xVx only ever made preround deals the round xvx/vikings/faceless had their cooporation, and even that was a "if someone gangs up on one of us, we block up"-deal.

[Illusion]

Jeezez! are you so stuck in your fantasy world that you cant see the difference between a continued friendship naturally resulting in a nap? (with the purpose of watching each others back when CT comes with a block to gangbang them, which was automaticly expected to happen within 250-300 ticks after 2 rounds). And ofc Ultores had to make counterblocks to make playing pa even worth the time when being ganged upon for 300-700 ticks a round, and its perfectly natural that the counterblock hits the stongest of the gangbangers. Moralwise they should always hit CT who started the whole thing except from FAnG once only, but they had to hit FAnG which was almost as strong as Ult when Irvine DC'ed. And maybe
Ult hit someone with another ally once or twice without it being counterblocking (not that i can remember tho), but who wouldnt be angry at certain allys (especially CT) after being ganged upon by 3-4 allys half a round for several rounds in a row. And you completly speak against yourself regarding Ultores abilitys, some posts saying Ult needs a block to win (because CT is much better? lmao! FAnG is touching the potential with Irvine in it, but they didnt play or competed all those rounds.. shame they werent intrested on a 1 on 1 war for the win as they were the only worthy opponents.), in other posts you cry about how Ult promotes "eliteism" which you call it.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Illusion

Jeezez! are you so stuck in your fantasy world that you cant see the difference between a continued friendship naturally resulting in a nap? (with the purpose of watching each others back when CT comes with a block to gangbang them, which was automaticly expected to happen within 250-300 ticks after 2 rounds). And ofc Ultores had to make counterblocks to make playing pa even worth the time when being ganged upon for 300-700 ticks a round, and its perfectly natural that the counterblock hits the stongest of the gangbangers. Moralwise they should always hit CT who started the whole thing except from FAnG once only, but they had to hit FAnG which was almost as strong as Ult when Irvine DC'ed. And maybe
Ult hit someone with another ally once or twice without it being counterblocking (not that i can remember tho), but who wouldnt be angry at certain allys (especially CT) after being ganged upon by 3-4 allys half a round for several rounds in a row. And you completly speak against yourself regarding Ultores abilitys, some posts saying Ult needs a block to win (because CT is much better? lmao! FAnG is touching the potential with Irvine in it, but they didnt play or competed all those rounds.. shame they werent intrested on a 1 on 1 war for the win as they were the only worthy opponents.), in other posts you cry about how Ult promotes "eliteism" which you call it.

Im not saying Ult needs a block to win do i?
Im just saying when Ult are behind, they always tend to block on the alliances above them and gangbang, and this happend to CT also this round according to some.
FAnG post R49 is not close to the same alliance as it was R45-49, its been a mix of a community tag and a try-hard-win-nothing tag.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Im not saying Ult needs a block to win do i?
Im just saying when Ult are behind, they always tend to block on the alliances above them and gangbang, and this happend to CT also this round according to some.
FAnG post R49 is not close to the same alliance as it was R45-49, its been a mix of a community tag and a try-hard-win-nothing tag.

You havent said it directly no, but thats what you have been implying since Ults very existance, and still you acuse them of "eliteism" at the same time. Nothing in my post was about anything taking place after rnd49, except Ult might be blocking on CT for more than military reasons. Ult never needed (or enjoyed) to gangbang/block on anyone in any round until they got gangbanged themselfs first. And how could they have a "tendency" to block on alliances above them when there never was anyone above them at the ticks the blockwars (almost always initiated by CT) started. That Ult return a round and give CT a taste of theyr own medicine (and showing them how big cowards they were regarding Ult in rnd43-49 and Vikings rnd53-54) hardly make it a tendency.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Illusion

You havent said it directly no, but thats what you have been implying since Ults very existance, and still you acuse them of "eliteism" at the same time. Nothing in my post was about anything taking place after rnd49, except Ult might be blocking on CT for more than military reasons. Ult never needed (or enjoyed) to gangbang/block on anyone in any round until they got gangbanged themselfs first. And how could they have a "tendency" to block on alliances above them when there never was anyone above them at the ticks the blockwars (almost always initiated by CT) started. That Ult return a round and give CT a taste of theyr own medicine (and showing them how big cowards they were regarding Ult in rnd43-49 and Vikings rnd53-54) hardly make it a tendency.

Every good alliance needs allies to win if there is a massive block against them. There's absolutely nothing wrong with blocking provided it doesn't lead to stagnation either. I don't know why you are claiming Ult to have some kind of high ground when there is none to take.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by lokken

Every good alliance needs allies to win if there is a massive block against them. There's absolutely nothing wrong with blocking provided it doesn't lead to stagnation either. I don't know why you are claiming Ult to have some kind of high ground when there is none to take.

Tbh he is just defending his old alliance against the bile spewed by Bitcher.

Ultores never started a round with a pre made block, they may have started with agreements that if a block formed against them then other alliances would form a counter block to stop this. If anything the likes of CT and ND are more synomous with pre made blocks and were pretty much in each others pockets throughout the 40's. Same again with ND and FanG when both worked as a team for multiple rounds.

What Bitcher needs to realise is that there is large difference between having an agreement to help each other if one or the other gets blocked against and starting the round with an agreement to block against whoever the biggest threat is.

In reply to mz i was only use ones ablility to win off their own back as a point that the top teirs politics didnt require a specific helper to see them win the round whereas CT especially have only won a round when they have been backed specifically by a certain alliance/alliances with the only goal to be getting them the win.

[Clouds]

Please don't put us in the same category as CT.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Clouds

Please don't put us in the same category as CT.

No, CT actualy has won some rounds, were Vikings have not
Comparing Vikings to CT would be unfair to CT

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

No, CT actualy has won some rounds, were Vikings have not
Comparing Vikings to CT would be unfair to CT

I mean, we are usually on the receiving end of a block and don't usually partake in bashing people who have little support.

Also, we have gone for the win, and failed, but that doesn't mean we're a low tier alliance, it just means we haven't been as good at the political game as some others. I am of course looking at the efficiently and potential of an alliance rather than the amount of times an alliance has won.

I very much doubt that Spore will cope under pressure. Maybe they should be tested?

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Clouds

I mean, we are usually on the receiving end of a block and don't usually partake in bashing people who have little support.

Also, we have gone for the win, and failed, but that doesn't mean we're a low tier alliance, it just means we haven't been as good at the political game as some others. I am of course looking at the efficiently and potential of an alliance rather than the amount of times an alliance has won.

I very much doubt that Spore will cope under pressure. Maybe they should be tested?

Nobody called u low tier, but mid tier. Kaiba that is.
Im sure ND will emerge as the winner when the block is done with CT and Spore...
They tend to do good in rounds like this.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Clouds

I mean, we are usually on the receiving end of a block and don't usually partake in bashing people who have little support.

Also, we have gone for the win, and failed, but that doesn't mean we're a low tier alliance, it just means we haven't been as good at the political game as some others. I am of course looking at the efficiently and potential of an alliance rather than the amount of times an alliance has won.

I very much doubt that Spore will cope under pressure. Maybe they should be tested?

Tbh Clouds what you have said about Vikings is exactly what i said about the teir that i put you in... MID.

And really CT isnt that different an alliance from Vikings, you both finish 3rd-5th in the rounds you have played normally within 10 mill score of each other. The only difference is that Vikings put in lots more defensive effort (and probably spend a lot more money every round) than CT. CT are a vastly better attacking unit than Vikings tho, and they play to this strong point every round. You both have crap planet management and equally grudge driven failure politics.


As for Spore they got tested last round and they will be tested this round, i actually think they will do better than you and other reckon. Spore is an alright alliance, im not a huge fan of their HC team but they have an honest hard working memberbase and its getting rewards. They are the only mid teir alliance that have current potential to move into top teir, the rest are all lost causes.

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

As for Spore they got tested last round

To be tested, you need to face considerable block incoming, which Spore hasn't experienced yet. Last round, they only really warred Faceless, and Apprime at the end of the round.

Originally Posted by Kaiba

And really CT isnt that different an alliance from Vikings, you both finish 3rd-5th in the rounds you have played normally within 10 mill score of each other.

I think we have different opinions of how we would categorise alliances. Your reasoning for placing Vikings and CT into the same category is based on our ranks in recent rounds. In the past 3-4 rounds, Vikings have been on the receiving end of a block for a considerable amount of ticks, and been forced to ground during this time too, whereas CT have always gone full offencive, and are usually the fundaments of the block(s).

While CT have a poor defencive record, they have a superb offencive reputation, and that's probably how Vikings and CT differ. Personally, I'm more of a defensive player and I will always prioritise defending roids over all out attacking.

Originally Posted by Kaiba

The only difference is that Vikings put in lots more defensive effort

I will agree with you on this statement, that Vikings are a more defencive alliance, which does affect our offence performance. I also want to point out that when Vikings gets blocked, it takes the whole round to pin us down, whereas it takes a matter of days to roid CT.

I'm not insulting or trolling CT, I'm just pointing out the facts and how CT and Vikings differ.

[M0RPH3US]

agar3s dont make me loose roids again, fs!!!!

[DrunkenViking]

Asc r16 did it on their own more or less, with help of the xp formulae.

[Blue_Esper]

Ultores form counter blocks.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

Ultores form counter blocks.

Hahaha.
Ultores is usualy going for the win, therefor when they fall behind they always forms a block to kill of the alliances above. This is a fact, there is no point denying this.
You and your good friend Kaiba claim that Ultores are usualy so strong and always in the lead that they dont need to form any blocks to compete.
The fact that Ultores is one of the alliances that are giving more than others into winning is the reason for their tendency to be blockers and gangbangers.

[Blue_Esper]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Hahaha.
Ultores is usualy going for the win, therefor when they fall behind they always forms a block to kill of the alliances above. This is a fact, there is no point denying this.
You and your good friend Kaiba claim that Ultores are usualy so strong and always in the lead that they dont need to form any blocks to compete.
The fact that Ultores is one of the alliances that are giving more than others into winning is the reason for their tendency to be blockers and gangbangers.

you know nothing of what goes on behind ultores doors pal. we having ct and nd working on politics to block against us before round starts. we dont ask around saying yo pal ct are too strong we should block vs them else they will win easy mode. we ask our allies to help us vs the block not vs a single ally

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

you know nothing of what goes on behind ultores doors pal. we having ct and nd working on politics to block against us before round starts. we dont ask around saying yo pal ct are too strong we should block vs them else they will win easy mode. we ask our allies to help us vs the block not vs a single ally

We have had a relay bot from Ult priv channel in all the rounds Ultores have been playing
Its ironic that yourself claim to be aware of some secret plan to kill Ultores before the round even commence, how would you know this?
Look what happend R49, Ultores made a block to try kill off FAnG, while FAnG were neutral, no naps, no nothing

[Influence]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

We have had a relay bot from Ult priv channel in all the rounds Ultores have been playing
Its ironic that yourself claim to be aware of some secret plan to kill Ultores before the round even commence, how would you know this?
Look what happend R49, Ultores made a block to try kill off FAnG, while FAnG were neutral, no naps, no nothing

Actually, in r49 FAnG setup a block with CT, ND and Inn fairly early in the round. I distinctly remember this as said block was trying to pull in TGV from the start, and ND setup 16 waves on my FAnG galmate in the first 5 days which he couldn't retal as FAnG had entered a NAP with ND on day 6.

[oil]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

you know nothing of what goes on behind ultores doors pal. we having ct and nd working on politics to block against us before round starts. we dont ask around saying yo pal ct are too strong we should block vs them else they will win easy mode. we ask our allies to help us vs the block not vs a single ally

CT/ND block when doing so is the only way to remain a credible threat. Ultores block the minute anyone else becomes a credible threat. There's no difference in values here, you just start the race further ahead. You're also in bed with arguably the second most hardcore group of players in the game, whether or not you raid with each other before someone else challenges your top spot.


edit: looks like lokken stole my post

[Scott]

Who is this second most hardcore alliance in game?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Blue_Esper

Ultores form counter blocks.

lol

just

lol

[Kaiba]

I would assume he means Apprime, and if they are so 'HARDCORE' why do they need to cheat oil? Only alliances that arent up to the mark have to cheat to keep up with the better ones..... do CT cheat?

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

I would assume he means Apprime, and if they are so 'HARDCORE' why do they need to cheat oil? Only alliances that arent up to the mark have to cheat to keep up with the better ones..... do CT cheat?

Cheating doesn't have to simply be out of weakness, nor does being good preclude cheating. This post is a complete red herring.