#politics

[aNgRyDuCk]

PA support has a channel set up that allows 2 members from each alliance to idle in.....and from past experience, and what I'm told, not much happens there.....

My particular alliance has more than 2 people that are involved in the political planning, thus, 2 isn't adequate. So we basically registered #politics so that alliances can have whoever they need in a centralized channel for quick access to each other.

basically how it will work is, each alliance will be allowed one member of their HC with 400 access and @

they will then be allowed up to 4 additional alliance officers/members who will be added with 25 access and be voiced. This is an unnofficial channel, and I expect a lot of idling, but it will be there if anyone wants to actually use it. the @'s will moderate the channel to the extent of any rediculous fighting or arguing will be minimised, and we'll basically use the honor system, so if your there, don't act like a complete moron, you oughta be fine.

Again, this is not an official PA team channel. The rules are as stated above, and again, please refrain from making an idiot of yourself and there should be no problems.

There is no point to flame the idea, it's done, and we realize that it may not take right away and will have a lot of idlers, however, it's an opportunity for those of you who like me, hate trying to run ppl down in god knows what channel if something comes up.

Please contact me to be added, you'll find me in #newdawn (if I'm ZZZZ'ing please leave me a pm with alliance name, your p nick etc)

[Phil^]

How will this differ from alliance members each idling in each others public channels?
How will disputes between alliances be handled there? Say alliance x and alliance y go to war, and alliance y happens to have extremely childish HC who ban everyone from alliance x in the channel ( or everyone full stop ) - what happens?

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by Phil^

How will this differ from alliance members each idling in each others public channels?
How will disputes between alliances be handled there? Say alliance x and alliance y go to war, and alliance y happens to have extremely childish HC who ban everyone from alliance x in the channel ( or everyone full stop ) - what happens?

it allows more than 2 ppl per alliance mostly, as some alliances have more than 2 ppl who deal with political planning

disputes will be handled like they are anywhere else, on the battle field, if ppl act like morons then hopefully someone will tie a knot in their ass and deal with them

if it comes down to it, I'll monitor the channel and deal with any extreme situations accordingly, those of you who know me know what that means

[furball]

I don't think childishness would be too much of a problem. We all know that if a HC decides to go down the stupid route, repercussions would be fairly easy to pass onto their alliance. Furthermore, they probably wouldn't be allowed back into the channel afterwards.


EDIT: Oh, and this is a superb idea - saves me the need to idle in so many channels (or worry about not bothering).

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

those of you who know me know what that means

a baseball bat, and their kneecaps then

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by Phil^

a baseball bat, and their kneecaps then

I'll not answer on the grounds that my answer may incriminate me

[Avenged]

hehe, think its a good idea, but still joining #alliances for now to see which has the best turn out...

[Furyous]

#alliances was probably the least significant channel I ever frequented. And you might be missing the point (or maybe I am) in that #alliances exists mainly as a means for HC to discuss game development/rules etc between themselves and with the PA team. In other words, those two people from each alliance acted both in terms of their HC interest, but also as delegates for their members. It created a workable arena in which to genuinely discuss game development and how alliances as a whole feel about it. Whether it actually served this purpose (I think it did at times) is irrelevant since I believe this was the intention.

I don't think it was ever intended as a political discussion channel (indeed, why would the PA team want to bother setting up and administering a channel for political discussion between all alliances when they gain nothing from it?). In fact, having all the alliances watch your discussions makes the whole thing pointless as a means of constructing (or even destructing) relationships. The only thing I found it useful for in a political sense was to see if particular HC were online when I wanted to talk to them. Otherwise it's simply a centre of self importance and perhaps an arena for propaganda or manipulation.

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by Furyous

#alliances was probably the least significant channel I ever frequented. And you might be missing the point (or maybe I am) in that #alliances exists mainly as a means for HC to discuss game development/rules etc between themselves and with the PA team. In other words, those two people from each alliance acted both in terms of their HC interest, but also as delegates for their members. It created a workable arena in which to genuinely discuss game development and how alliances as a whole feel about it. Whether it actually served this purpose (I think it did at times) is irrelevant since I believe this was the intention.

apparently it is mostly just ppl idling now so I'm told, with the occasional discussion, that generally leads to nothing. Again, paraphrasing there.....

Originally Posted by Furyous

I don't think it was ever intended as a political discussion channel (indeed, why would the PA team want to bother setting up and administering a channel for political discussion between all alliances when they gain nothing from it? In fact, having all the alliances watch your discussions makes the whole thing pointless in that sense. The only thing I found it useful for in a political sense was to see if particular HC were online when I wanted to talk to them. Otherwise it's simply a centre of self importance.

the intention of this channel isn't so there is a place to discuss politics openly, unless ofcourse it's a general subject, it's an easy means of communication and access to those with political responsabilities in their respective alliance. It's also explained as that. For whatever the reason, the channel (#alliances) hasn't evolved to meet the general needs of the alliance community based on the initial response to this new channel. as we now have 13 alliances represented there so far.

[Furyous]

Well I don't disagree with what you're doing, I hope you find it useful. But somehow I just think you'll find it's use limited in that you justified it as a political forum: by saying that more than 2 people are politically active within an alliance. I suspect, as #alliances was much of the time, all it will be is a shortcut to finding the person you want to talk to, when you could always just join the relevant public channel and look for someone.

One time when I remember #alliances being particularly useful and very heated was with the alliance score system pre round 18. Clearly this was a developmental issue but those alliances had a certain stake and interest in backing particular systems. There was a very long discussion backed up with a large forum thread, and I'm sure that the PA team took serious consideration of the content of both of those when coming to a decision.

I'm not surprised you already have 9-10 though. As i say, they want to think they're important and join another secret channel behind closed doors. Well that's a bit synical, but I'm sure some do

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Furyous

#alliances was probably the least significant channel I ever frequented. And you might be missing the point (or maybe I am) in that #alliances exists mainly as a means for HC to discuss game development/rules etc between themselves and with the PA team.

Just to clarify, #alliances was never JUST for HC.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by Forest

Just to clarify, #alliances was never JUST for HC.

Quite so it was for two representatives of your alliance, whoever they may be. Although clearly a HC must put forward the names. You can't just volunteer yourself (unless you are the HC of course). Nontheless, they are official representatives of the alliance and thus representatives of the HC too.

[Kal]

#alliances also historically has "honoured guests" who were invited as they used to say useful things with regards to alliances.

[Barrow|Pony]

another example of totally subjective favoritism.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

another example of totally subjective favoritism.

what has #alliances got to do with objectivity? Its full of alliance HCs who all have their own agendas etc. As example of an "honoured guest" from the past would be me - alch and I set up #alliances orginally and I wasn't an alliance HC at the time.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Furyous

Quite so it was for two representatives of your alliance, whoever they may be. Although clearly a HC must put forward the names. You can't just volunteer yourself (unless you are the HC of course). Nontheless, they are official representatives of the alliance and thus representatives of the HC too.

Wrong tbh.

You dont have to be hc to be there.

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by Forest

Wrong tbh.

You dont have to be hc to be there.

They were cleaning it up the other day.

[Alki]

aye i was there for a round without being hc, even though nothing much happened, it only perked up when sid ever came on and the banter started

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by Forest

Wrong tbh.

You dont have to be hc to be there.

Can you not read forest?! I agreed with you. Or did you just assume my posting was a disagreement without having read it?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Furyous

Can you not read forest?! I agreed with you. Or did you just assume my posting was a disagreement without having read it?

Ok let me repharse it.

You have not needed to be hc, nor a representative of any alliance.

That better for you?

[Mistwraith]

despite my thoughts when it was created ( i'd get banned for saying em)
#alliances actually works - for most of the time people in there work towards betterment of the game, theres allways someone with an agenda but its normally spotable at 50 paces by a blind man.

we dont end up shouting and screaming and scheming in there, there is a pleasant atmosphere most of the time ( gotta be honest.. everyone has their moments/bad days )

we do discuss on occaision quite heatedly points of the game that are not working.

so based on that .. i'd give this new channel a chance first.

[aNgRyDuCk]

we now have 15 alliances represented, also we've added furball (alliance recruitment mod) and Lokken (alliance discussion mod), in addition to Chef and Kloopy from PA team.