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Unread 5 Jul 2006, 10:15   #1
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[america] This is very strange

In the dutch online newspaper "De Volkskrant" among the leading headlines for the foreign news is a story from 07:23 about how four US soldiers raped a fifteen yer old girl and murdered her family to get away with it, in cold blood. It´s not an old story, it has several good sources, and the paper is a respected one. (not a tabloid at all or anything of the sort) Here´s the article: (in dutch sorry) http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/...oorden_in_Irak

So when trying to check this on BBC newssite (or any other US/UK newssite), I find nothing, not a single reference or hint. Intrigueing!

Now - (1) would BBC have chosen not to bring you that news or (2) they aren´t aware of it? (3) It´s not true , (4) is any other option, if you think this to be the case explain yourself please.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

Sorry found it

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5142852.stm

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Re: [america] This is very strange

I read about this in an irish newspaper (yesterday I think). I'm rather surprised the bbc have nothing on it.

Ah, new post. Still, you said you hadn't read anything on any us news websites. Is this actually true? Which ones did you check?
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Re: [america] This is very strange

That´s corrected now as I did not look deep enough into the newssite. It is quite deep, actually, webpagewise.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

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Ah, new post. Still, you said you hadn't read anything on any us news websites. Is this actually true? Which ones did you check?
New York Times, wich is strange because they adore stuff like this. I must have overlooked it or something....

/sometimelater

I found this but it is ´indirect´...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/05/wo...=1&oref=slogin
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Re: [america] This is very strange

And finally, on the bottom of a page linked to the one I mentioned (NYT):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/01/wo...raq.html?fta=y
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Re: [america] This is very strange

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And finally, on the bottom of a page linked to the one I mentioned (NYT):
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/01/wo...raq.html?fta=y
I like how that article tries to make excuses and hide that they are at the same time
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Re: [america] This is very strange

It seems to take the focus away from the crime, doesnt it.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

It's in the US news too. I heard about it on NPR.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

yup. Read about it in Daily News (NYC) today in the morning. Its true and he is gonna get prosecuted to the full extent of the law (I just dont know if its Iraqi law or US law)
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yup. Read about it in Daily News (NYC) today in the morning. Its true and he is gonna get prosecuted to the full extent of the law (I just dont know if its Iraqi law or US law)
US Law, there is no SOFA between the US and Iraq yet. He faces the death penalty if convicted.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We know this even in the prosecuter's office.
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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. We know this even in the prosecuter's office.
I feel the need to support this statement.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

So did bush when invading Irak *cough*

(well I know that is different, just teasing heh)
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Re: [america] This is very strange

With dda and Yahwe on this one. This is an alleged offence for which the soldier has yet to even be indicted, mush less tried. Let's hope they hold off on the death penalty until these formalities are completed, eh?
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Re: [america] This is very strange

Oh, you actually thought they wouldn´t? Ofcourse they will.

Yet I think the evidence does not lack sufficient proof of the whole thing. Otherwise these newspapers wouldn´t have brought it. ANd did I not read somewhere he actually confessed (or one of the mates he shot the family with)?
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Re: [america] This is very strange

One of the four soldiers charged told a counsellor what had happened.
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One of the four soldiers charged told a counsellor what had happened.
I know that it is much more efficient to hang the condemned before the trial but I am old school and a stickler for formalities. I have seen false confessions.
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Re: [america] This is very strange

Sadly, informants are often belived over a defendant who does not rat out his/her buddies. Fake confessions are not a rarity, not to mention if the person who is interogated is under emotionall stress, something you would think a guy like that would be. And just maybe the guy who has ratted told a story that helps him? Witnesses and confessions are very bad evidence, in my eyes at least.
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I know that it is much more efficient to hang the condemned before the trial but I am old school and a stickler for formalities. I have seen false confessions.
It's fine making platitudes like this, but given the historical precedent, I find it unlikely that he would receive a proper trial and fitting punishment even if he were guilty (Calley and Christopher Van Goethem come to mind).

When the military's record of admitting and dealing with things like this is somewhat less than ideal, you can forgive us for being sceptical.

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