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[Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...06/4921696.stm

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ifa president Sepp Blatter has warned that World Cup teams may be deducted points for racist behaviour by fans.

He said that rules to be brought into domestic competitions next season will be enforced in Germany this summer.

"The regulations will be applied for this World Cup - at the first sign of racism there will be a deduction of three points," he stated.

Blatter admitted the system is open to abuse, with fans passing themselves off as opposition supporters.

The Fifa president said that deducting points, which may hinder a team's progress in the tournament, may be a deterrent.

He added: "Once we deduct points, then we are finished with the problems of discrimination."

The measures for domestic competitions provide for a three-point deduction for a first offence, six for a second and relegation for a third offence.

Blatter also wants extra powers to intervene if Fifa feels a country is not adhering to the rules.
Absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

I can picture the english fans singing anti german songs, then the turks waltzing in, murdering a few people. The turks get off scott free and the english get banned from the tournament.
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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

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I can picture the english fans singing anti german songs, then the turks waltzing in, murdering a few people. The turks get off scott free and the english get banned from the tournament.
I can picture a man spontaneously sprouting wings and flying off towards the sun but it doesn't mean it's going to happen.
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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

well each time english fans get a bit "rowdy" the media and the football governing bodies pick on the FA. If you ask me its because we are rich, so we are willing to pay the fines etc. But why hasnt Basle/Fenerbache/Galatasary and other teams been knocked out of the cup games for the violence and deaths that have occured because of there fans?

Also why hasnt spain received a big telling off ie a massive fine and future implications for its racist fans?

Yet if England get all rowdy and pissed its "your out of the tournament"
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Absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

I can picture the english fans singing anti german songs, then the turks waltzing in, murdering a few people. The turks get off scott free and the english get banned from the tournament.
You've ignored the new league rules, which will have a BIG effect on Serie A.
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Im more worried about what the behaviour of the polish will be
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You've ignored the new league rules, which will have a BIG effect on Serie A.
Not to mention the Primera Liga.



PS I would like to know when England have ever been kicked out of an international tournament pig. Your logic is horribly twisted as well. When you're talking about singing racist songs at a match you're talking a far larger number of fans than are involved in a murder. Personally I think this rule was introduced aimed mainly at Spain and continental football and you're just massively over-reacting because of what you read in whatever dreadful newspaper or football news site you read
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Not to mention the Primera Liga.



PS I would like to know when England have ever been kicked out of an international tournament pig. Your logic is horribly twisted as well. When you're talking about singing racist songs at a match you're talking a far larger number of fans than are involved in a murder. Personally I think this rule was introduced aimed mainly at Spain and continental football and you're just massively over-reacting because of what you read in whatever dreadful newspaper or football news site you read
Yus because they have never threatened to kick us at a tournament before, for something we didnt even start.

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When will people stop oppressing the white man?
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Yus because they have never threatened to kick us at a tournament before, for something we didnt even start.

Go get a clue Irish numpty
I hear that threatening to do something has recently been confirmed to be actually doing something in a rather shocking turn of events.
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Not to mention the Primera Liga.



PS I would like to know when England have ever been kicked out of an international tournament pig. Your logic is horribly twisted as well. When you're talking about singing racist songs at a match you're talking a far larger number of fans than are involved in a murder. Personally I think this rule was introduced aimed mainly at Spain and continental football and you're just massively over-reacting because of what you read in whatever dreadful newspaper or football news site you read
I just read the BBC article and made up my own mind.

Also we were kicked out of the European Cup in the 80s after the Hesel disaster iirc, no other country iirc has been banned from that competition other than the English I believe. Yes I know it isnt an international tournament but its one of the few tournaments that actually matters in club football thus a large impact on football in general. I just get the impression its one rule for the english, one rule for the rest. Yes we can be twats but so can every other nation.
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I hear that threatening to do something has recently been confirmed to be actually doing something in a rather shocking turn of events.
Please tell me which other country has ever been threatened to kicked out for having their own fans attacked?
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Heysel was 39 dead. I don't think many other similar situations have arisen like that one since then. Personally I thought that was wrong, liverpool should have been banned, not english clubs. However wasn't that UEFA and not FIFA?
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Please tell me which other country has ever been threatened to kicked out for having their own fans attacked?
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Yeah. Because that's what happened. Really.
France 98.............

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France 98.............

Arguing for the sake of arguing is quite lame JBG
France 98? There was no threat then was there? I remember euro 2000. Do you have a link to france 98?
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France 98.............
At France 98, FIFA (and Blatter) repeatedly emphasised that they would not be expelling teams for the behaviour of their fans, and went on to specifically censure the germans, not the english.

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Heysel was 39 dead. I don't think many other similar situations have arisen like that one since then. Personally I thought that was wrong, liverpool should have been banned, not english clubs. However wasn't that UEFA and not FIFA?
I agree liverpool should have been banned, although if it wasnt liverpool, it would have been another english, italian, spanish club. Heysel was unique in the fact that it was just Juventus fans who dies, yet the rioting was done by both sets of fans. Still a terrible tragedy. Yes it was also UEFA.
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I agree liverpool should have been banned, although if it wasnt liverpool, it would have been another english, italian, spanish club. Heysel was unique in the fact that it was just Juventus fans who dies, yet the rioting was done by both sets of fans. Still a terrible tragedy. Yes it was also UEFA.
Right, so a unique situation that was under the auspices of a different body and a punishment awarded twenty years ago is the basis of your argument here?
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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

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Absolutely ludicrous in my opinion.

I can picture the english fans singing anti german songs, then the turks waltzing in, murdering a few people. The turks get off scott free and the english get banned from the tournament.
Turns out turkey didnt even make it to the tournament.
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At France 98, FIFA (and Blatter) repeatedly emphasised that they would not be expelling teams for the behaviour of their fans, and went on to specifically censure the germans, not the english.

Better luck next time, foo'.
What happened in France 98, was used to backup his threat to have us removed in Euro2000,
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Replace Turkey with Poland then
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Turns out turkey didnt even make it to the tournament.
Had they of made it, would Mr Blatter have kicked them out i wonder......
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Berlin is like a mini Turkey iirc.


England need to worry about their fans behaving more than anything else. Time and time again they have proven they cannot do this.
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Berlin is like a mini Turkey iirc.


England need to worry about their fans behaving more than anything else. Time and time again they have proven they cannot do this.
Have you seen the reports about Polish fans?

Also your lot are not exactly whiter than white

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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

my grandad is polish and I hear a lot about them. Wisla recently banned all their hooligans then the next game nobody turned up to the stadium in protest.

Thats not Rangers vs Hibs btw as thats in Dundee where I live!

I think Scotland's travelling support compared with England's tells a clear picture (national team wise)
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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

This should be god for england. When they loose three points atleast they have an excuse for not winning the tournament.
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my grandad is polish and I hear a lot about them. Wisla recently banned all their hooligans then the next game nobody turned up to the stadium in protest.
They banned the Ultra's for 10 games as far as i know, and in protest around 4000 supporters went to the stadium but stayed outside of it.
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What happened in France 98, was used to backup his threat to have us removed in Euro2000,
Oh I see, we're being irrational aren't we. Well, I can safely say that England'll get kicked out because Blatter thinks female footballers should wear hotpants.
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Re: [Football]Blatter is still an old Hatter

It shouldn't be a problem, as we'll finish 2nd in the group and get knocked by Germany in the 2nd round.
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