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Unread 13 Jul 2008, 20:19   #1
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Angry Abuse of Position?

Posting on forums is not one of my strengths but I feel that comments made in other posts about myself, Orbit and the Orbit command team have prompted me to remark in a new thread, as opposed to the circus thread that has been created by Wakey.

I would firstly like to state catagorically, at no point did I know Masta_Mark was using 2 accounts to gain access to another alliance, but did know that he was liasing with his brother for intel on the other alliance!
This on my part was foolish and stupid. Obviously this has bought into question my integrity as member of the Orbit Command team, and a member of the PA community.
I am very proud to have served Orbit for 8 rounds and more so that they thought that I deserved to be taken into the HC team, I am also very proud to have played this game from Round 1 and would never do anything to jepordise my position within the Orbit Command Team and my place in the PA community, to this end I have requested that my status be changed with the Orbit Command team to a lower more casual one. If my request is accepted then this will hopefully allow Wakey and his clowns to stand down with the all mighty I am routine and allow us as an alliance to move forward and do what we are good at.

I think to question the integrity of the PA team is another matter entirely, and to say that Fiery and her team have done nothing about this is wrong. I have had conversations with the MH team about the matter of my knowledge of Masta_Marks's wrong doing. They have accepted the explanantion I have given.
Masta's account was closed promptly upon the discovery of his wrong doing.
The post by Wakey has done nothing but question the integrity of Fiery and her team and has brought into doubt thier abilities to act.
This is wrong.
MH do a cracking job with the resources they have, isn't Mark's account being closed enough evidence that thier reaction was swift and fair, and that they have taken the time to speak to the Orbit HC about this matter to fully understand the situation.

I'm sure the comments begin from here and not all will be ones that I agree with, but I felt that I should stand up and explain my and the actions of my colleagues in a post that isn't riddled with comments taken out of context and with HC's of other alliances blowing smoke up thier own backsides!

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Re: Abuse of Position?

I was inteviewed by both Appocomaster and Fiery on the case so i would say they looked into it thouroughly, and i think this has been blown well out of context, and maybe the forum should be closed before causing more distress, people dont like to be accused/flamed and gerally blamed abused. and a forum of this sort made by some one in a position of trust on these forums (a forum rep) should be reviewed by the peers/Higher command of this role. If his agenda is to make people quit pa, then i think hes hit that on the head. Why this has been even posted on a forum is rediculus as it was looked into solved and justly action taken why take it further and flame? abuse of power is all i can say!
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Re: Abuse of Position?

is their a tl:dr version i.e. whos been abusing what?
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Re: Abuse of Position?

I don't see what the drama is all about. Someone got caught cheating and got closed. What more is there to talk about?

Caed; Masta_Mark multied to gain intel on F-Crew (yes, I kid you not).
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Re: Abuse of Position?

so he outed you cheating and youve got your knickers in a twist about it?

i see.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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<@Sin> when are we getting more channels#
<@Sin> on F-Crew TV
<@Juice> lol
<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member
<@Masta_Mark> and get a script
<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack
<@Masta_Mark> LOL
if you say so.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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Also to re itterate we as the hc didnt know. so get over it and get a life.

Hello, I'm Zhil. You may remember me from alliances such as Fury and 1up.

What you just posted is worth a big red X for marking.

This is not the manner in which you should post in order to convince/manipulate people into believing you.

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the point is why doesn he need to tell the whole world and make out like we planned a big conspirracy. he was in out priv channel flaming today, whats his problem!! ??PMT??
You do have to wonder who let him into your private channel....


Sin, you're pulling the whole 'woe is me' routine. The level of guilt that you feel about Masta_Mark's cheating is irrelevant. The forums are a perfectly reasonable place to expose events such as these - so long as they're reported to the MHs as well, which they were - so why are you condemning Wakey?

This is just yet another incident out of many involving Orbit and F-Crew. A Orbit HC tried to spy on F-Crew and got caught. Orbit now reckon that all discussion of it should be stifled....well guess what, it doesn't work like that.
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you leave em alone for a round mem and they cant even lie well
If I know one thing then it is that Sin and cervantes are known for being integer and helpful guys.
That Masta_Mark commits a cynical foul has nothing to do with them.

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Furball, Masta was not a HC this round. He was BC (edit: or DC).
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If I know one thing then it is that Sin and cervantes are known for being integer and helpful guys.
That Masta_Mark commits a cynical foul has nothing to do with them.
If they knew about it then they are equally guilty.

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Furball, Masta was not a HC this round. He was BC.
He's been identified with Orbit since it ever came into existence, making that fact almost irrelevant.
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If they knew about it then they are equally guilty.
He's been identified with Orbit since it ever came into existence, making that fact almost irrelevant.
There is a difference between intent and action. They knew about the intent and disapproved. They didn't know about the action, afaik.
And maybe historically seen Masta was an important Orbit rep, the last few rounds have been different, as you may have noticed.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

how exactly did Sin think Masta was getting the relay then? bearing in mind he knew he already had a planet, and had one in f-crew.

I guess he could just be a grade A retard who didnt think it through though, tis certainly the damage control id be going with!
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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how exactly did Sin think Masta was getting the relay then? bearing in mind he knew he already had a planet, and had one in f-crew.

I guess he could just be a grade A retard who didnt think it through though, tis certainly the damage control id be going with!

masta's brother was playing thats how,

and tbh it wouldnt be hard to get a none irc using gal member into some allys and have somoene else using the access rights that person woulda got on irc.
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There is a difference between intent and action. They knew about the intent and disapproved. They didn't know about the action, afaik.
And maybe historically seen Masta was an important Orbit rep, the last few rounds have been different, as you may have noticed.
We aren't all privy to internal Orbit politics.


If they knew about the intent and disapproved then why didn't they tell him not to do it in the first place?
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Re: Abuse of Position?

Well I for one am really pleased Zhil has figured out where PA forums are again.
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We aren't all privy to internal Orbit politics.


If they knew about the intent and disapproved then why didn't they tell him not to do it in the first place?
As you may have noticed, I have been the main Orbit rep of the last few rounds... Did you see Masta_Mark post lately on this forums (except the one in the wakey thread)? I think you just assumed something which with a little more information retrieval could have been faulted. There is nothing internal about this information.

I believe they have told him not to, afaik.
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Ur right phil, some people dont like being accused tho
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Re: Abuse of Position?

theres a difference between being accused and being found guilty
masta_mark was found guilty, end of discussion.

edit: oh, and hey - from reading the other thread on this issue he's even went and found himself another planet and is back in orbit

all sins forgiven? or are you just spineless?
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masta's brother was playing thats how
oh i see.

So when masta said 'I need to become a proper member' Sin thought he meant 'my brother needs to become a proper member.'

and when he said '... so i can actually attack' Sin misheard 'so my brother can actually attack'

i can see how Sin missed such subtle hints at multiying
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This wasnt said with me present or to my knowledge so why should i recieve attacks?
you have roids dont you?
this is a war game isnt it?
you are hc in an alliance which really should have screened this sorlid affair out at an early stage arent you?

do i really need to spell it out?
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oh i see.

So when masta said 'I need to become a proper member' Sin thought he meant 'my brother needs to become a proper member.'

and when he said '... so i can actually attack' Sin misheard 'so my brother can actually attack'

i can see how Sin missed such subtle hints at multiying
I misheard nothing, Mark was clarly stating that he was attempting so sort an attack

<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack

attack whom?

Mark held position of BC so he was merely discussing that evening's attacks and was looking for support from his fellow officers.

Posting extracts from logs that are not complete will get no one nowhere!
I have apologised for my actions and my alliance are dealing with me in the correct manner.

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or i will get nasty
oh thats mature.
Seriously, i really think that HC these days dont have a clue about PR.
you dont ever ever ever try to stir up a hornets nest on an issue where your 'side' was found in the wrong with regards to something like cheating.
EVER

if you had any sense you would let the topic die before you get torn apart over it. ( and you will, rest assured if you keep it up on the forums )
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Lol random comment but made me giggle
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Re: Abuse of Position?

im unsure if your still attempting to burrow your way out of this mess or you genuinly think we're that gullable.

<@Sin> when are we getting more channels#
<@Sin> on F-Crew TV

so we've established your talking about your dear fellow hc's multi planet.

<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member
<@Masta_Mark> and get a script
<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack
<@Masta_Mark> LOL

see, as a brand spanking new recruit of f-crew, to ensure said recruits are actually active their set as recruit level access, this means they dont have access to the attack page. They need to be on irc and talk to a bc for the targets. hence

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<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack

attack whom?

Mark held position of BC so he was merely discussing that evening's attacks

and was looking for support from his fellow officers.
is hilarious. Now ive never spoken to masta_mark, but you seem to think he changes the subject mid conversation, adds a line about relay scripts inbetween an oh so innocent conversation about attacks for the night, and finds target picking so hilarious that he feels the need to capitilise his 'lols'.

give us some credit please.
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is hilarious. Now ive never spoken to masta_mark, but you seem to think he changes the subject mid conversation, adds a line about relay scripts inbetween an oh so innocent conversation about attacks for the night, and finds target picking so hilarious that he feels the need to capitilise his 'lols'.

give us some credit please.

actually you'd be surprised how often masta goes off topic or how often ppl ask multiple things at once, i mean when summat on pa break u get about 50 ppl all asking stuff at once from one person so its easy enough when sorting diff tasks to mix convos with different ppl.

and tbh unless ppl see the convos around the lines that were shown we'll never know
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Re: Abuse of Position?

While I do enjoy watching all this unfold (I really do) I have to advise Orbit HCs to let the subject die, commenting on this just pours gas of the flames and doesnt help you or your alliance.

The longer this thread gets, the worse you will look, and without your comments, interest in the subject will die relatively quickly.
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we the allaince will comment no more on this subject as its trival bullshit and wakey just trying to cause trouble, at the end of the day he was punished and dealt with, the hc was interview by the pa team and swift justice was held, if he wants to blame everyone and genrally ramble on like a little girl then go ahead because we are over it. and want to carry on playing the game. Final post subject closed!
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I think to question the integrity of the PA team is another matter entirely, and to say that Fiery and her team have done nothing about this is wrong. I have had conversations with the MH team about the matter of my knowledge of Masta_Marks's wrong doing. They have accepted the explanantion I have given.
Masta's account was closed promptly upon the discovery of his wrong doing.
The post by Wakey has done nothing but question the integrity of Fiery and her team and has brought into doubt thier abilities to act.
This is wrong.
MH do a cracking job with the resources they have, isn't Mark's account being closed enough evidence that thier reaction was swift and fair, and that they have taken the time to speak to the Orbit HC about this matter to fully understand the situation.
I know you want to try and shift focus, after all as Cead stated here you are the most guilty of any of Orbit as you and Masta openly discussed it. You asked Masta about F-Crew TV to which he responded "<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member" and then "<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack"

Notice the I's. This isnt him saying "My brother needs to", its him saying "I need to". So any attempt to claim you knew nothing is bullshit.

As for your claim of me questioning the integrity of the MH's. Where did I. What I said relating to the MH's is as follows
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I reported it to Fiery (Plus others) as the support team should be a group that has integrity. Sadly like Masta_Mark cervantes told Fiery that he told Masta not to do it before it happened and when Masta did start cheating he didnt know about it. Something which the evidence proves wrong but its seen its my word against his and the benefit of the doubt has to be given to him.
Thats not questioning their integrity. Its stating that they didnt take any further action because without you lot admitting to the MH's as it comes down to my word vs yours.

And I checked with Fiery last night if she felt I was questioning her integrity. The responce was as follows

[22:46] <Fiery> No, I do not feel that you questioned my integrity.
[22:47] <Fiery> you basically stated what I said.

So Fiery clearly doesnt think its questioning the MH's integrity so you are barking up the wrong tree
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Wakey u should stop quoting people without their permission as its gonna get u in trouble. and put ur wooden spoon away u big girl
I had Fierys permission to quote her. And i'll put this so called 'wooden spoon' away when you lot stop taking the piss out of the game and community. I see no reason that cheaters should be able to sweep it under the carpet and take the complete piss out of your members and the community in general.

If any of the HC that truely didnt know this was going on actually stepped up and took action to remove those that did from the alliance for good and the members ensured that this happened as well then I would be happy and would drop it. The simple fact is no alliance should knowingly allow cheats and cheat enablers into their alliance and certainly shouldnt let them be in positions of power
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Topic closed! Im bored of u now. have fun
aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my patience with you. If i was still in charge of support team i would be pulling you aside and asking you to improve your public behaviour.

You cant proclaim a topic closed just because you dont like whats being said, So far, im pretty much entirely in agreement with wakey here, does that mean im trying to stir up trouble?
No. it doesnt.

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we the allaince will comment no more on this subject as its trival bullshit and wakey just trying to cause trouble
Hold on, it was you lot who created this thread, trying to stir up trouble for wakey since he is a forum mod. Dont go blaming others for your own actions, and especially not when they can be used against you so very easily.
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at the end of the day he was punished and dealt with, the hc was interview by the pa team and swift justice was held, if he wants to blame everyone and genrally ramble on like a little girl then go ahead because we are over it. and want to carry on playing the game.
So why did you ( allegedly ) let a known cheat back into your alliance, all sins forgiven?
Cheats prosper where they fear no punishment. A closed planet isnt much inducement for people to stop cheating entirely, being exiled and shunned from alliances is.
Does orbit have a standing policy of "your past is of no concern" in their recruitment?

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Hardly, you posted again after saying this, so i tend to think you'll post again given enough time.
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Topic closed! Im bored of u now. have fun
You really should have taken me up on my offer. It would have saved all this hassle.

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aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my patience with you. If i was still in charge of support team i would be pulling you aside and asking you to improve your public behaviour.

So why did you ( allegedly ) let a known cheat back into your alliance, all sins forgiven?
Cheats prosper where they fear no punishment. A closed planet isnt much inducement for people to stop cheating entirely, being exiled and shunned from alliances is.
Does orbit have a standing policy of "your past is of no concern" in their recruitment?

Hardly, you posted again after saying this, so i tend to think you'll post again given enough time.
Phil, "if"-comments don't add to the discussion. It seems you only try to show off your former status and really that has nothing to do with it.

I am not HC anymore nor active, so the next statements I make are on my account only.
May I offer you the following to contemplate:
Suppose that someone in an alliance has a clean record of over 11 rounds, added value to the alliance for many many rounds and has shown a good heart for the alliance round after round. One day he is so stupid to commit a cynical foul for which he is punished by a closed and deleted account.
Here I wish to make a comparison: the Denial HC used a bug to gain advantage. They got reset and were able to play on. Without approving the multiiing, I think Masta_Mark has been punished excessively if we compare it with the Denial cheating case. Now you could say: you can't compare the cases! Well, you can: type of cheating and following punishment are comparable. And my conclusion is that or Masta_Mark was punished too fiercely or the Denial HC too lenient. For the record: I do not condone any cheating.
Taken the past into consideration the Orbit HC may decide to give Mark a second chance which is fair if we see his spotless record of 11 or more rounds. If they take him in again he will have to prove that this is an incident and that he can start a new streak of cheatingless rounds.
I contend that if you think about it objectively, you could come to the same conclusion.

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Phil, "if"-comments don't add to the discussion.
On the contrary, they inform you of a chain of events that would happen under a different set of circumstances, and serve as a pointer for others as a suggested course of action.
Your collective inability to argue rationally in the written medium does not discount their validity.

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Suppose that someone in an alliance has a clean record of over 11 rounds, added value to the alliance for many many rounds and has shown a good heart for the alliance round after round. One day he is so stupid to commit a cynical foul for which he is punished by a closed and deleted account.
Then i would gladly wash my hands of them.
There is no room for any tolerance of cheats in this game imho.


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Here I wish to make a comparison: the Denial HC used a bug to gain advantage. They got reset and were able to play on. Without approving the multiiing, I think Masta_Mark has been punished excessively if we compare it with the Denial cheating case.
Hold on a minute, are you questioning the decision of the multihunters here?
Would you have preferred they turn a blind eye to his actions? I sincerely hope not.
He has been punished entirely appropriately by the multihunters, neither excessively nor inadequately.


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Now you could say: you can't compare the cases! Well, you can: type of cheating and following punishment are comparable. And my conclusion is that or Masta_Mark was punished too fiercely or the Denial HC too lenient.
'do as i say not as i do' ?
Perhaps you consider the punishment too harsh because it was done to your alliance as opposed to another.
A closure is the only response to someone with multiple accounts.

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For the record: I do not condone any cheating.
Taken the past into consideration the Orbit HC may decide to give Mark a second chance which is fair if we see his spotless record of 11 or more rounds. If they take him in again he will have to prove that this is an incident and that he can start a new streak of cheatingless rounds.
I contend that if you think about it objectively, you could come to the same conclusion.
Who can tell if his record is spotless? Absence of public closure does not mean absence of cheating.
Are you simply taking his word for it that he hasn't done it before, and wont do it again?
Would you take killmarks word that he isnt using bots?
Personally, I wouldnt even take the risk and would reject him. But then again, its your own alliances reputation that you're responsible for as a HC. If they want to let in a convicted cheat then on their own heads be it.
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On the contrary, they inform you of a chain of events that would happen under a different set of circumstances, and serve as a pointer for others as a suggested course of action.
Your collective inability to argue rationally in the written medium does not discount their validity.
That different set of circumstances still don't apply here which makes it merely a pointer to what you would have done IF you would have been in place which isn't the case. Something like: If I was teh advisor of Bush the war in Iraq would not have taken place.
So imo at the end it still does not add a lot to the discussion.

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Then i would gladly wash my hands of them.
There is no room for any tolerance of cheats in this game imho.
Hold on a minute, are you questioning the decision of the multihunters here?
Would you have preferred they turn a blind eye to his actions? I sincerely hope not.
He has been punished entirely appropriately, neither excessively not inadequately.
I agree there is no room for cheats in this game. Though, offering someone a second chance is defendable imo.
I only pointed out the difference. I think he was punished appropriately by the MH. Turning a blind eye is no option for me and will never be. The remarks I made do say something about how I think about the other case, however.

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Perhaps you consider the punishment too harsh because it was done to your alliance as opposed to another.
A closure is the only response to someone with multiple accounts.
Who can tell if his record is spotless? Absence of public closure does not mean absence of cheating.
Are you simply taking his word for it that he hasn't done it before, and wont do it again?
Would you take killmarks word that he isnt using bots?
As I remarked above: the punishment is appropriate. Mark being in an alliance I have HC'ed is irrelevenant to me in this case. He cheated, he got punished and it should be like that.
Of course the only thing I can say that I see his previous record as spotless. This does not mean you agree with me or even believe me. I would take his word indeed, but that is solely up to me, isn't it.

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Personally, I wouldnt even take the risk and would reject him. But then again, its your own alliances reputation that you're responsible for as a HC. If they want to let in a convicted cheat then on their own heads be it.
If the current HC decide to take him in I am sure they will take any risk into consideration. Then it is their decision to offer him a second chance to reestablish himself as a cheatless player. If it proves otherwise the consequences will be theirs as well.
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The problem is that its all well and good saying that everyone deserves a second chance but surely to be granted a second chance you have to show remorse for your actions. Masta_Mark won't even even admit to cheating, on the other thread he even went as far as stating he didnt cheat, he just broke a rule. Now if breaking rules isnt cheating then what is, but he refuses to admit to himself and the community that he is a cheater.

Masta_Mark and the Orbit HC have done everything they can to absolve him of any fault. They ae sticking to the "he didnt cheat" line. Masta is claiming that he only logged in once to close his 'brothers' account (despite Orbit admitting that he discussed cheating with them, and then further evidence as seen in the logs I provided showing that it was then discussed that he was logging in AFTER they supposedly told him not to) and cerv is stating the only thing he did wrong was logging into both on the same IP (Thats right its not wrong in his eyes that he logged into 2 accounts, just that he didnt do so on different ips)

He simply isnt being held accountable and is being aided to dodge the accountability. He has been closed by the MH's but its no real loss to him, the account wasnt doing that well this round so its somewhat like getting a slap on the wrists. If he had been barred from the alliance then that would have been a punishment even if in a round or so after a lesson had been learnt he as invited back.

Ofc he will probably now turn up and admit to cheating, show some fake remorse in the same kind of Token gesture we saw Sin do with his offer to step down. It would simply be al for show.

As for the HC carefully considering it, again its hard to believe. The evidence is there that some of them, Sin especially knew about it. Masta after all refers to the planet as "I" not "My brother" and he even talks about attacking with it. And we have also seen cerv admitting to knowing and then skating around the subject. Until the honest members of the HC grow some balls and remove the dishonest ones and the ones who are trying to talk Masta out of any blame then how is anyone supposed to take their judgement seriously?
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mark multied, whoopty doo, hardly cheating on the scale we have seen by denial hc or the irc op abuse last round
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Oh my, 148 posts (149 including this one), separated over 3 threads (i might have missed some though :P), about one person cheating.

Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?
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Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?

hmm do we even need to give that a proper answer
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Oh my, 148 posts (149 including this one), separated over 3 threads (i might have missed some though :P), about one person cheating.

Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?
You are underselling it though Remy, it may have spawned from 1 person deciding to cheat. The reality is worse though and its one person cheating and members of the hc being cheat enablers by knowing it was going on and cheat sympathisers by trying trying to help him hide the fact he cheated so he can carry on as normal
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Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.
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Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.
On the contrary, it is highly constructive to work at removing cheats from this game.
You do it yourself, remember?
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On the contrary, it is highly constructive to work at removing cheats from this game.
You do it yourself, remember?
so does that mean this statement

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If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.
applies to remy?
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