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Unread 23 Jun 2009, 11:18   #101
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If you come to Bucharest I predict I'll out-drink you until 4 am or so!
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Sorry, not going to either Romania or Lithuania for obvious reasons
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what happens to the players that have been kicked from ascendancy? i recall a few asc posters saying that if they ever had to leave they would just quit the game....
Yeah, I've had a couple PMs to that effect.
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Damn D:

I no longer have an evil fascist regime on which to vent my pure hatred, oh well
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So, not meaning to drag up old grievances, but if Asc are a 40 member "BG" does that mean they should be killed for not attempting to win the round and fill a tag?
We're playing to keep on trucking until the end of the round, which gives us a chance of winning or at least a chance to be a real factor at the end of the round if we're going back to the ways of raking the bottom of the top 10.

We have the politicians, stats and quality of player to achieve that; the BGs didn't and we certainly won't be entering fights where bigger alliances can afford to pick us off one by one and take advantage of our smallness. What amused is the totally one dimensional suicidal tactics of the BGs. They pretty much decided they didn't want to be a factor in the endgame by going after one alliance, which left them open to picked off one by one and simply swamped due to a low defence pool. Never mind the fact they were trying to protect themselves and got so horrifically burned I'd describe their politics as some of the most predictable and self-destructive I've seen. Size was never the issue; it was the way many of you were playing in the context of that size. DLR's position of r30 or SPOOOOON's of last round made way more sense.

Looking at your situation you've got at least two quality BG's cobbled together who will do almost anything to let their mates win. Your problem is going to be holding it together when elviz and cardinal start splitting hairs over planet ranks. You've certainly got the forces to win this round but I don't envy the challenge you have of getting this 'Apprime' over the finishing line (although it should be possible). It is a nice political hook for people to consider later in the round though.
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Imho, you are only doing this BG thing now, because you know if Asc had a full tag everyone would be gunning for you. And not let you get away with it like last round.

A smart move, in a round where the other BGs have gone back to big alliances. But a move made for one thing, to save your own skins. Giving up one round of being the clear winner, to get some credit back from the community.

Altho SPOOOON was indeed great last round, it only takes 2 nights of heavy incs to roid us to the ground. Sometimes it doesnt matter how much you try to avoid fighting the utterly gay #1, they see roids, and they get hungry.

I sincerely hope the same thing happens to asc this round, and imo you have it easy with a 70 member limit vs 40+ in asc as opposed to 90 vs 30. If only to make sure that everyone who played last round in a BG remembers.
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Im sure asc will not and will not be allowed to avoid fighting; how is it we get such flack for everything we do, are ppl not pleased we wont dominate for a round so 'normal' politics can resume?

Saving our own skins?? from what, a gangbang?? we have survived plenty of those, and even if we lose to one, well there aint no shame in it, and really even if it was shameful Asc doesn't exactly have a great reputation to protect does it?
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Imho, you are only doing this BG thing now, because you know if Asc had a full tag everyone would be gunning for you. And not let you get away with it like last round.
Yeah not buying that arguement, it's been like that the last 5 rounds, tends to get boring when you keep winning dispite having more or less the whole uni against you. There were calls (even in asc) for us to disband for the good of the game, now that we've cut down numbers there is whine and accusations about that too

I don't see why a #1 alliance shouldn't attack a roidfat bg, provided they aren't fighting any wars. DLR in r30 was left alone by the biggest alliances (except CT) despite being top on average roids for ages, last round the bg's were not in the same political position thus they foiled early.
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Imho, you are only doing this BG thing now, because you know if Asc had a full tag everyone would be gunning for you. And not let you get away with it like last round.

A smart move, in a round where the other BGs have gone back to big alliances. But a move made for one thing, to save your own skins. Giving up one round of being the clear winner, to get some credit back from the community.
But this clearly isn't the case as the current situation is purely down to a few senior players' frustrations as to the way we were playing. There were certainly a good number of those in Ascendancy last round not fit to wear the shirt, and some who I think were plain unlucky to be removed.

Our clear concern is playing planetarion in a way that we see as competent, with players who are tough opponents, but fair ones. The only public image issue is that while there are people who plainly dislike us, coming across well to the community (particularly on here) is also important to us. If we were being 'strategic' we'd probably have a stronger complement than we do now; I see this as simply a bit of good housekeeping. If we end up not winning, so what - we don't become bad players because of one round. On the other hand that doesn't mean we're going to pass up opportunities to win either.

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I sincerely hope the same thing happens to asc this round, and imo you have it easy with a 70 member limit vs 40+ in asc as opposed to 90 vs 30. If only to make sure that everyone who played last round in a BG remembers.
Well I don't think you were perfect by any means but you were certainly playing in a way that was logical. If there was one flaw it was that you didn't get involved enough in trying to make it an Ascendancy against xVx fight. Persuading the BGs or whoever to be a bit more savvy and willing to switch sides keeps you far more safe in that situation because Ascendancy and xVx are far more concerned with each other.

As for the numbers issue, we had lots of people going one ship class which made the situation really bad with being outnumbered. The current stats should mitigate that a lot. I think the stats favoured the BGs last round quite handsomely by the way, as beyond 'swamp Ascendancy' they couldn't think of anything that was particularly out of this world. They clearly favoured a certain limited way of playing which gave us (and everyone else) less chance to be a bit more inventive. Last round was just a who had more than who game, and I think we can have better rounds than that. So numbers will be less of a factor, but I'll state again: if you set up your politics to make those kind of numbers exist with the game as it was you have to question your strategy. I certainly questioned Ascendancy's when we had 400 planets against us.
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A smart move, in a round where the other BGs have gone back to big alliances. But a move made for one thing, to save your own skins. Giving up one round of being the clear winner, to get some credit back from the community.
I'm kinda out of the loop the past month. What evil thing/s did they do to the community? I mean, to the extent of trying to do such a move, to gain the credit back, i'm guessing they probably messed up big time.
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They won 4 rounds in a row, which is an unprecedented level of evil and is killing Planetarion!
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Goodluck asc wish you all the best, I'm happy you won last round you deserved it. Look forward to seeing how asc do after there house keeping, I'm sure they will be great as usual.
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whichever alliance recruits me will win. True story.
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I donīt think Ascendancy are playing "BG style" on purpose this round.
jester didnīt like the way things were developing, so he decided to clean the mess he saw.
My prediction for Ascendancy is simple: Theyīll play the game as they always used to do, even if they donīt start with a full tag, theyīll fill it up with quality people when they appear, and go for the win if there is a more or less realistic chance to get the top spot.
Itīs as simple as this.
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I aint that simple at all since there really is no way to have a full tag so long as munin is limited to 71 ppl since some furniture is sacred.
But in principle yes its not a purposeful aim to be a BG, the limit is there so we dont just invite everybody booted out straight back in, thus canceling out the purge.
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Last round we had people in Ascendancy who weren't intag. I think this round we should have people intag who aren't in Ascendancy.
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I aint that simple at all since there really is no way to have a full tag so long as munin is limited to 71 ppl since some furniture is sacred.
But in principle yes its not a purposeful aim to be a BG, the limit is there so we dont just invite everybody booted out straight back in, thus canceling out the purge.
Just kick RR
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Last round we had people in Ascendancy who weren't intag. I think this round we should have people intag who aren't in Ascendancy.
The idea has a certain symmetry
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I aint that simple at all since there really is no way to have a full tag so long as munin is limited to 71 ppl since some furniture is sacred.
Donīt underestimate some furniture as late starters. Iīm pretty confident even with furniture and scanners Asc can maintain 60 well scoring planets for competition (though I canīt recall the exact number of furniture members, I think there are not too many to force Asc into BG size concerning the tag).

Due to the drop of the tag limit, there wonīt be such a large gap as in previous rounds between competetive tags, as even a completely full tag holds only 10 planets more than any other in the top score race.
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Donīt underestimate some furniture as late starters.
Its summer man; Im pretty confident its not the time for ppl like RR|away to turn up as Heroes and save the day.
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Its summer man; Im pretty confident its not the time for ppl like RR|away to turn up as Heroes and save the day.
I admit you might be right there.
However, the point I was trying to make is basically nobody should underestimate Ascendancy, as history shows theyīve often started with a small tag but went for top in the end.
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So, when does the gangbanging start?
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So, when does the gangbanging start?
Hopefully soon!
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

I'm baffled as to why the focus is on Ascendancy
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because everyone's seen this stunt before, probably, just speculating though!
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I'm baffled as to why the focus is on Ascendancy
Asc has said they arnt playing fully before, even gone into the round without a full tag before. However, each time they end up coming into contention to winning and end up winning (either through luck, brute strength or politically). It will take a round of them actually not playing fully and losing, before people believe it.

As VenoX said.. the community just doesnt trust Asc anymore, it may be true that they arnt at full strength and have no real chance at winning the round but that really doesnt matter. As if it is true, then the community will just switch targets after they realise it.
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

I'm not getting why people are calling this a stunt. Ascendancy purged many members and won't be as strong as before (round 30 and even last round) but they're still going to be better than the big piles of epic fail contending for the win.
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

I trust asc there an honourable alliance, they usually always do what they say they gunna do.

The alliances in this game complained about there members numbers so they purged alot, true it sounds more cause they personally weren't happy with what they had.

Now there smaller you guys bitch about them still, why dont you give it a rest for god sake. I forget problems that occur from round to round, but if I didn't I would be more miffed on xvx's stupid actions or the fact that xvx ruined there pretty good name by allowing cardinal even to grace there presence.

Asc have admitted they not planning anything major if they see an opportunity to win they will go for it like any alliance would.

Just cause they see an opportunity you think they have to lose for people to trust them, i'm pretty sure theres a few alliances including myself who trust asc fully for keeping word.
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I'm not getting why people are calling this a stunt. Ascendancy purged many members and won't be as strong as before (round 30 and even last round) but they're still going to be better than the big piles of epic fail contending for the win.
I think those "piles of fail" are gonna surprise you. There are so many good players *not* in ASC -- more then in a long time. I think this round will see a very balanced 3 or 4 allies contesting for the top spot. Seems pretty balanced amongst the top tiers this round.

Military might will perhaps have a chance to win over politics.. (it's a nice dream anyway.)
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I think those "piles of fail" are gonna surprise you. There are so many good players *not* in ASC -- more then in a long time. I think this round will see a very balanced 3 or 4 allies contesting for the top spot. Seems pretty balanced amongst the top tiers this round.

Military might will perhaps have a chance to win over politics.. (it's a nice dream anyway.)
I predict that no Xan is t50.
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Asc has said they arnt playing fully before, even gone into the round without a full tag before. However, each time they end up coming into contention to winning and end up winning (either through luck, brute strength or politically). It will take a round of them actually not playing fully and losing, before people believe it.

As VenoX said.. the community just doesnt trust Asc anymore, it may be true that they arnt at full strength and have no real chance at winning the round but that really doesnt matter. As if it is true, then the community will just switch targets after they realise it.
Itīs partially a matter of how you define "playing for full". I think r28 and r30 might be examples of playing for full from start on. Many other rounds Asc took a chilled start and things just developed from there.
To me, this isnīt about trusting Asc statements. In my experience, people express pretty much exactly what they think most of the time, itīs just a matter of fact Asc does not turn down a chance of winning if there is one. Not like they can be blamed for this.

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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

The only rounds we've had a full tag from pretty much the start of the round were r28 and r31, and even r28 I don't think it was full from the very beginning. Round 30 we only started with like 60 people and then recruited the rest during the round. This round is the first round where we basically can't get a full tag, which is slightly different. Nonetheless we're perfectly capable of winning. I'd be rather surprised if everyone genuinely thought we were the alliance most likely to win the round though. As reese says it's hardly like we've got every good player playing pa this round or something.


To pre-empt the inevitable spasticness "yes, you're right. Your alliance is so bad even with artificial limits on ascendancy and half of us being cov-oppers we'll still win. Why did you even sign up? Better get like every alliance in the game involved to attack us or it'll be over by pt 100!"
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i predict this thread will be hijacked and become the Asc thread before page 4.
so far my prediction is ringing true.
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

How surprising that a thread about the most likely winners of round 32 would be at least partly about the alliance that won r28, 29, 30 and 31.
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How surprising that a thread about the most likely winners of round 32 would be at least partly about the alliance that won r28, 29, 30 and 31.
I wasn't aware that this was the R32 likely winners prediction thread. I thought it was predictions in general. My sincerest apologies.
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I wasn't aware that this was the R32 likely winners prediction thread. I thought it was predictions in general. My sincerest apologies.
That's alright. It's quite understandable that you'd think people are actually interested to see who comes #7 as opposed to #8.
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I predict that no Xan is t50.
I predict no ETD is in the t100.
I reckon you can reverse that prediction to no xan top 100 and no etd top 50
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That's alright. It's quite understandable that you'd think people are actually interested to see who comes #7 as opposed to #8.
then you obviously don't understand.
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The only rounds we've had a full tag from pretty much the start of the round were r28 and r31, and even r28 I don't think it was full from the very beginning. Round 30 we only started with like 60 people and then recruited the rest during the round. This round is the first round where we basically can't get a full tag, which is slightly different. Nonetheless we're perfectly capable of winning. I'd be rather surprised if everyone genuinely thought we were the alliance most likely to win the round though. As reese says it's hardly like we've got every good player playing pa this round or something.


To pre-empt the inevitable spasticness "yes, you're right. Your alliance is so bad even with artificial limits on ascendancy and half of us being cov-oppers we'll still win. Why did you even sign up? Better get like every alliance in the game involved to attack us or it'll be over by pt 100!"
I didnīt say Ascendancy is going to single-handedly own the round. I donīt think so at all. Iīm merely trying to hammer into peoples heads that Asc wonīt play BG style on purpose, and should never be underestimated in general due to the way it works and the potential it keeps.
There should be a good competition overall this round, Iīm not too curious about Asc tbh, more about the likes of ND and CT and of course any new alliance.
I never understand the whining and hatred towards Ascendancy on the boards, yes, they are usually strong, yes, the road to #1 often went right through their turf, but (except maybe for the pure demonstration of power in round 28) they hardly won a round all alone without contribution of various factors (like enemy stupidity). The only thing that has been pretty much proven lately is that just focusing on Asc in some sort of vendetta wonīt help.

As to rankings predictions, I honestly donīt know, since I canīt seriously judge the strength of several groups.
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

I think the main point is that focussing analysis on asc when there are a number of alliances, particularly apprime, that are better set up to win is just misleading. Yeah we can win but this thread reads more about people not trusting themselves to be competent rather than anything to do with us. Apprime are best placed to dominate yet for some reason their position along with other alliances dont seem to be discussed.
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Re: Round 32 Predictions?

How many of the last few rounds have we been saying that we weren't best placed to win? How many of the last few rounds have other people say we were best placed to win? And how many of those rounds have we won? I totally understand what people are coming from when they refuse to trust the Ascendancy Forum Squad.

That said, there's more to PA than reading what Ascendancy members are saying on AD and believing the exact opposite. Facts are always more trustworthy than opinions, especially when those opinions are voiced by people who have something to gain if they lied (regardless of which side they're on, regardless of whether or not they actually do lie).

So go out there and figure out your stance based on the facts alone, rather than going to AD and basing it on the opinions of a noisy few (be they Ascendancy or otherwise).
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It'll become pretty clear very soon who the leading alliances are, people can choose to bash on asc for a while but I'm sure they'll realise its not the best place to focus on!
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It'll become pretty clear very soon who the leading alliances are, people can choose to bash on asc for a while but I'm sure they'll realise its not the best place to focus on!
At least one thing you guys improved over last rounds 'we'll own everyone easily'
Tho tbh you're overselling it a bit.
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actually i think you will find it was mainly the non-asc's saying Ascendancy would "own everyone easily"...
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actually i think you will find it was mainly the non-asc's saying Ascendancy would "own everyone easily"...
Correct. I think most posts saying "Asc will own" came from outside Ascendancy. This was broadly percieved as "playing down the chances", but I can honestly say Iīve been surprised by the performance of Asc several times (lately r31). That said, I was Asc, and didnīt believe in a roundwin at several times and got proven wrong.

Itīs a matter of perception. Of course Asc is believed to be still strong, and no doubt they got a word to say, but itīs likely that after the cleanup they wonīt be overly dominating. Their planet number is quite lower than before, and alot of quality players formerly gathered in Ascendancy are now spread out a bit more, forming parts of the core of several new allies.

Iīm probably most curious about CT and ND in the upcoming round, probably because itīs more interesting to watch their struggle after so many rounds then wonder about allies I have absolutely no clue about as theyīre completely new
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How many of the last few rounds have we been saying that we weren't best placed to win? How many of the last few rounds have other people say we were best placed to win? And how many of those rounds have we won? I totally understand what people are coming from when they refuse to trust the Ascendancy Forum Squad.
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So go out there and figure out your stance based on the facts alone, rather than going to AD and basing it on the opinions of a noisy few (be they Ascendancy or otherwise).
Could you explain how these correlate please because I'm not really seeing the connection. Either they're going to be objective or just automatically mistrust people regardless of their post content because Ascendancy keep winning due to levels of play (catastrophically good/bad) that no one can possibly have accounted for or genuinely predicted.

But let's look at trust anyway for shits and giggles:

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Asc has said they arnt playing fully before, even gone into the round without a full tag before. However, each time they end up coming into contention to winning and end up winning (either through luck, brute strength or politically). It will take a round of them actually not playing fully and losing, before people believe it.

As VenoX said.. the community just doesnt trust Asc anymore, it may be true that they arnt at full strength and have no real chance at winning the round but that really doesnt matter. As if it is true, then the community will just switch targets after they realise it.
Really, I think people are confusing trustworthiness with losing. Winning happens for a number of reasons and if you think a bad decision by xVx HC in r31 or an exquisite Ascendancy performance in r30 or massive political vulnerability in our enemies were foreseeable by anyone and that by not predicting that makes Ascendancy's assessment of the situation dishonest, well I think this post is a little bit beyond you really.

I mean really, can we just cut through the shite and just say "I don't want Ascendancy to win" so I don't have to suffer terrible logic?
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Could you explain how these correlate please because I'm not really seeing the connection. Either they're going to be objective or just automatically mistrust people regardless of their post content because Ascendancy keep winning due to levels of play (catastrophically good/bad) that no one can possibly have accounted for or genuinely predicted.
I don't understand the question. :\
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As VenoX said.. the community just doesnt trust Asc anymore, it may be true that they arnt at full strength and have no real chance at winning the round but that really doesnt matter.
In my honest opinion, the community shouldn't trust bad leadership anymore. :/

It's pretty easy to say that Ascendancy is not trustworthy, because of failing to lose (lol), while you were shit.
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