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Unread 9 May 2005, 13:27   #151
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Re: SiNND

Id like to know, is this a 1round merger, or will we see SiNND as an alliance in the rounds coming?
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Re: SiNND

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but tbh i think its greedy hcs that have forced it upon members and in my view if u cant take 3rd place at the 1st attempt you shouldnt be awarded it at the second sitting.

Really though, you're right.

We already force members to pay a $10 entrance fee to satiate our poker addictions, we already strip away their dignity by rudely pilfering their virginity before joining, so the only logical next course of action to make our members the most degraded and oppressed in Planetarion was to merge with a friendly alliance.

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i actually had a dream the other night about stealing Mary-kate and Ashley Olsens virginity the other night but thats a different story*






*and a very satisying one
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Unread 9 May 2005, 16:29   #156
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I am crying out of care.
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Unread 9 May 2005, 17:20   #157
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Re: SiNND

Ok, just to clarify a few things cause the AD clowns have their own agenda again ....

Browsing through this thread, ignoring the 50% troll posts of the usual pple (hi jerome ) I'm not gonna quote every little thing seperatly but just address a few persons in person and the rest in general.

To Tietaja (and Treveler): Maybe you realise that Angels has mastered the skill of news scanning (yes, cool aye) and thus we don't need any exi or other alliance to feed us targets. We SEE ourselves who's attacking, we are opportunist (playing for ourselves only) and thus a nice fleetcatch on a big member is something we decide to do on our own rather then helping another alliance.

To Zhil: I'm surprised you say such crap lines like "or don't have the balls to fight #1" ... I mean, you should realize that every alliance has the goal to WIN this game but not every alliance uses the same methodes to reach it. Some block and hit #1 alliance so the block gets in control. Some, like 1up, do not care about ranks but only wanna make a difference in this round (and by doing so achieving the victory like last round).

My alliance has no such noble intentions. We play for the ranks, as do most alliances (and that's the pleasure we have in playing PA, the fun part). Would Angels gain in mass attacking WP? No, it only helps exi or lch win the round. Unless Angels are in a direct position for the #1 spot then you would be correct to attack the #1 alliance.

then, about the actual merging (adressed to ND and Sin pple, including their trolls):

Do I have anything against a merger? NO.
Do I have something against how this merger happened and the reasons behind it? Yes. I'm sure you didn't cross any rules or regulations so that's not what this is about. Fact is, the top ranks are manipulated by a mass merger of 2 top 20 alliances who now are ranked 3rd.
Do you deserve this rank? in my opinion ... NO. Why not? Cause neither of both alliances would ever been possible to reach #3 on their own this round.

I talked extensively to Kal last night and even he admitted how fked up the rules about merging are. He told me changes regarding such mergers will be made for next round. I personally think if you just took the 72 hours allianceless status (as all other pple who leave and join other alliances do).

Angels last round left mistu ingame, were allianceless for 72 ticks to then join under the Angels tag. I don't understand why incase of a merger it's allowed to skip those 72 ticks.

Nway, gl to SINND and we'll see where this brings us.
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Unread 9 May 2005, 17:31   #158
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Re: SiNND

Kjeldoran - should ban you for accusing others of trolling, but for the love of god learn to not do it, as it's shit.

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Kjeldoran - should ban you for accusing others of trolling, but for the love of god learn to not do it, as it's shit.

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Unread 9 May 2005, 17:42   #160
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Re: SiNND

I've not trolled in this thread yet tbh. The reply to rinoa's post was frankly just the truth, he was so far off-topic you could fit the population of whales in the oceans within the space. Neither was my insinuation of angels and exil co-operating was intended to be a troll since I was merely stating what I caught the drift of.

About the 'wanting #1 slot' topic, well, ofcourse noone would mind it. But how many truly aim for it? I've rarely seen LCH as an alliance who possess the 'killer' factor for the top-rank myself, this admittedly may not mean they don't want the top rank, but simply have not got it in them? Is that what you want us to say rather than claim they aren't aiming high enough? Now, I am sorry for expecting better of alliances when I state that they aren't aiming high enough hence implying they're capable of better and furthermore, the new stance that we should clearly take is to continuously degrade these alliances.
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Re: SiNND

I believe those who complain about this merger are looking so long and hard at the rank page in sandmans that they get chess/rank blind. It doesn’t matter what rank you get if its not recognised by the community.

Hardly anyone recognise ely`s win in pax the same way most ppl won’t recognise SINND`s victory if that is how it ends. In other words those who worry about their rank being jeopardised worry over nothing. This merger was mainly done, as stated repeatedly, to give a moral boost and revived interest for ND and SiN members, and in the greater scheme of things, that can only be a good thing.
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To be honest, it sucks a lot for SiN and ND that they needed a merger to bring them higher than 17th/11th.
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Re: SiNND

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Fact is, the top ranks are manipulated by a mass merger of 2 top 20 alliances who now are ranked 3rd.
Do you deserve this rank? in my opinion ... NO. Why not? Cause neither of both alliances would ever been possible to reach #3 on their own this round.
I'm sorry but I fail to see how the top ranks have been manipulated at all, the merge of SiN and ND was well within the rules of the game, our combined score is the culmination of the fruits of our individual labour, we have not cheated to get where we are, so how did we manipulate the rankings?

You are quite correct that neither alliance on their own would have made it to #3, but that does not mean that we dont deserve it. We have not named the alliance NewDawn and tried to cover up where the extra members came from, nor did we choose a neutral name, we chose SiNND so that our origins would be immediately transparent.

Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
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I believe those who complain about this merger are looking so long and hard at the rank page in sandmans that they get chess/rank blind. It doesn’t matter what rank you get if its not recognised by the community.
From what ive ever know of SiN , They do indeed have a lot of members who are obsessed with ranks pages etc and im sure they for one are very happy they can now pretend that they are in the 3rd 'best' pa alliance instead of the 18th or so worst yesterday. They are losin nothing as they gain new rank and more access to defence, which is probably why they all on here saying its a good move. Question is if you guys were so quick to vote yes to merge because of ranks, why didnt you just join another ally to begin with if thats what u wanted?
I think Angels best exemplify the right kind of mentality for PA in that they were prepared to leave a mass tag last round (MISTU) and go solo even if it meant they were dropped 10 places are so in ranks, and to all those sin/nd who flame Angels, stop because you have done the exact opposite of what makes Angels so respected.
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From what ive ever know of SiN , They do indeed have a lot of members who are obsessed with ranks pages etc and im sure they for one are very happy they can now pretend that they are in the 3rd 'best' pa alliance instead of the 18th or so worst yesterday.

Not that I believe a word you say as you seem a bit clueless to put it blunt, but who exactly care what SiN/ND members think concerning the validity of their end-rank? Didn’t you get my point at all?
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To be honest, it sucks a lot for SiN and ND that they needed a merger to bring them higher than 17th/11th.

If either/both alliances had the same number of members as some of the other alliances, then we would be top 10.
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If angels had the same number as your current alliance we'd be #1 (unless Exilition gets to 100 aswell). What's your point?
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My point is that of course neither ND or SiN would get to #3 alone because they don't have enough members when the ranking is done by overall score.
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My point is that of course neither ND or SiN would get to #3 alone because they don't have enough members when the ranking is done by overall score.
Then recruit.
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Then recruit.
why is recruiting 35 members so much more ethically correct than taking 35 members of another alliance?

Surely it amounts to the same thing?
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*AND* They have 14 year old female asians. My Planetarion experience is complete.
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Because recruiting 35 good members with good planets in the middle of a round to join an alliance ranked 17th is a long and very difficult task. And even if you pouch from another alliance, you still have to wait 72 ticks for them to become yours. If you recruit newbies, they have to be trained, and basically they have to start obeying your rules etc and become part of your alliance entity. A rank should show an alliances strength, not the strength of a partnership or a block. After all, what is stopping three/four alliances kicking their smaller planets and joining as one?

The alliance ranks should be ranking individual alliances, and recruiting players and training them makes them part of your alliance. Not for teams, otherwise they become a bit meaningless and stop being 'alliance ranks'. SiN and ND arn't one alliance, they are two. So they should have two seperate ranks. Correct me if i'm wrong with this.
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Because recruiting 35 good members with good planets in the middle of a round to join an alliance ranked 17th is a long and very difficult task. And even if you pouch from another alliance, you still have to wait 72 ticks for them to become yours. If you recruit newbies, they have to be trained, and basically they have to start obeying your rules etc and become part of your alliance entity. A rank should show an alliances strength, not the strength of a partnership or a block. After all, what is stopping three/four alliances kicking their smaller planets and joining as one?

The alliance ranks should be ranking individual alliances, and recruiting players and training them makes them part of your alliance. Not for teams, otherwise they become a bit meaningless and stop being 'alliance ranks'. SiN and ND arn't one alliance, they are two. So they should have two seperate ranks. Correct me if i'm wrong with this.
NewDawn and SiN are effectively one alliance for the rest of the round. one defence channel, no priority for one alliance over another. It is no different to instances in the past. ToT/LCH, FYTFO, NoS/HR to name 3.

What is stopping alliances kicking members to join together to be number 1? Look at Elysiums victory in PaX. It was a bullshit victory. If we win this round (which we wont, but for the sake of arguments...) then it will not be looked on the same as if an alliance won it completely alone.

However, we still have to work damn hard for the rest of the round to gain a good rank, which will be justified.
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LCH/ToT never merged during a round
even more important: LCH was a BATTLEGROUP upto round 9 when we joined ToT

you are right about fytfo though
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even more important: LCH was a BATTLEGROUP upto round 9 when we joined ToT

you are right about fytfo though
it was effectively the same as what is happening in SiNND now though. 2 groups, working together for the same goal.
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fytfo yes,

tot/lch cant possibly be compared with fytfo/sinnd
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[Off-topic]Unless you were asleep yesterday evening, you might have noticed Angels attacking planets that were attacking a certain Exilition top planet at the time. Given these "coincidences", we can fairly well assume who gave Angels those targets. Further assuming, if it was so, giving and accepting targets sounds like coordinating attacks and cooperating with retaliations to me.

If these assumptions hold, it looked, at least to me, like a step into the war on Exilition's side more as an ally than not.[/Off-topic]
Nobody accused us of being allied to Fury rnd8 when we went in to help Girlie as she got hit hard whilst #1 I think. Infact, it's the same people we helped out back then who now seem to be accusing us of having alterior motives. Perhaps it might be in our interest to keep a huge zik who targets mainly alliances other than us and who are known to be hostile towards us in the game? And grabbing some roids off of people with their fleets out is such an horrid tactic aswell, right?
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To be honest, it sucks a lot for SiN and ND that they needed a merger to bring them higher than 17th/11th.
THe problem with you guys is that you seem to measure us by your yard stick. We aren't as shallow as you are, we didnt do it for the rank, but you seem unable to let go of this rank obsession/fetish. Well you can stew in it.

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From what ive ever know of SiN , They do indeed have a lot of members who are obsessed with ranks pages etc and im sure they for one are very happy they can now pretend that they are in the 3rd 'best' pa alliance instead of the 18th or so worst yesterday. They are losin nothing as they gain new rank and more access to defence, which is probably why they all on here saying its a good move. Question is if you guys were so quick to vote yes to merge because of ranks, why didnt you just join another ally to begin with if thats what u wanted?
I think Angels best exemplify the right kind of mentality for PA in that they were prepared to leave a mass tag last round (MISTU) and go solo even if it meant they were dropped 10 places are so in ranks, and to all those sin/nd who flame Angels, stop because you have done the exact opposite of what makes Angels so respected.
Why are you trying to second guess us? What exactly is point of pumping yourself as some kind of mimic?
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THe problem with you guys is that you seem to measure us by your yard stick. We aren't as shallow as you are, we didnt do it for the rank, but you seem unable to let go of this rank obsession/fetish. Well you can stew in it.
I don't know who you mean by 'you guys'. Maybe rankings arn't an ideal way of rating alliances, but Newdawn being out of the top10 certainly says something. I don't think it's fair to say I have a fetish over statistics for using their rank to demonstrate that this round Newdawn (and sin to a lesser extent) weren't doing aswel as they could have done... I don't believe I said anywhere in the post you quoted that you merged for the rank, I was just using rank as a very rough way to measure your performance. My point still remains, it's a sad day when SiN and ND need to merge to play competitively against other big alliances.
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I don't know who you mean by 'you guys'. Maybe rankings arn't an ideal way of rating alliances, but Newdawn being out of the top10 certainly says something. I don't think it's fair to say I have a fetish over statistics for using their rank to demonstrate that this round Newdawn (and sin to a lesser extent) weren't doing aswel as they could have done... I don't believe I said anywhere in the post you quoted that you merged for the rank, I was just using rank as a very rough way to measure your performance. My point still remains, it's a said day when SiN and ND need to merge to play competitively against other big alliances.
Just a little history lesson, SiN Stands for Safety in Numbers, went we first set out, there was me, I merged with Tides, then over the next few ticks we merged with a few other alliance. &c.
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Wow, all you guys who have nothing to do but try to act tough are pretty scary. Really, it can all be summed up like this:

http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Retard-Arguing.jpg

Yes. It's old, but it's still true. Kj and alch and others have a point. It DID mess up the alliance rankings. Now for how much and how long, we'll have to see. Chances are that at the end of the round they'll be out of the top 5 anyways, but the fact is, there WAS an important impact. However, there still is this point. The PATeam do a lot for everyone, and yes we pay to play it, but no one is forcing you, and if you are going to throw a huge fit over this, there's no point in playing. As a member of the Angels, I know we will respect SiNND and give them a strong fight, and the round will continue anyways. However, for some of you, Zyth and others, you need to grow up. Really, flaming isn't that great, and there's no point in making yourself look like an idiot.

Oh, and Zhil, I never played Ruby because when I was playing Gold I spent an eternity looking for the last of the legendary dogs and when I found it I missed it with my pokeball (I put him to sleep and got him to like |--| health) and I threw my gameboy against the wall and it shattered and I never bought another one. DAMN YOU ENTEI!

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Don't accuse someone of cheating unless you're going to post some evidence. Thanks.
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1. I accuse nobody, I imply.
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Implying is a jonny-no-no as well.
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How about a complete denial?
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So what are you implying Irv has been doing? Sending millions upon millions of sms to members of Angels? Yes, he has, it's damn annoying :/ Having people call me whilst sleeping and still drunk from a full night of clubbing, waking up with a splitting headache and going "hey, I wondered if you might want to send some def?". Yes, he has.

You'd think people would know this by now, we've been handling def this way since the creation of FAnG ffs.
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So what are you implying Irv has been doing? Sending millions upon millions of sms to members of Angels? Yes, he has, it's damn annoying :/ Having people call me whilst sleeping and still drunk from a full night of clubbing, waking up with a splitting headache and going "hey, I wondered if you might want to send some def?". Yes, he has.

You'd think people would know this by now, we've been handling def this way since the creation of FAnG ffs.
I would be the guy that does all the calls at night, yes Im hated for it Chapel is not happy with me at times

Ok going to contradict myself here but I hate people who maon about people moaning, your only helping them moan even more by saying they are moaning faggots and they get pissed off about it and moan even more. ¬_____¬

Anyways about the merge with SiN and ND. Being an Angel im not really that bothered, well a bit pleased actually, As it adds another "active" allience to fight for rankings and adds excitement to the game. To be honest any allience who moans about this merging only shows that they are incapable of being a good allience. Just get on the game and try knock them off that place, then u prove that they are still shit even after the merge.

It was a legit tatical move so there is nothing to complain about, only thing I see wrong is that they ended up #3, but nothing can be done about it. The only people who should be angry and have the right to moan are the people who were knocked off rank 3

Hmmmm I wish Coven and Rock would merge, then they could form C.O.C.K

Or maybe Pride and Angels to form Pringels.

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Hmmmm I wish Coven and Rock would merge, then they could form C.O.C.K

now that's comedy
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I started this thread because I knew somene would and I left SiN about 1-2 weeks before this merger and frankly all I can say is Goodluck and hope you have a fun end to the round
The best alliancess survive and thats what SiN (who where dieing tbh) and ND have done, they have decided to merge to survive in a round that has just turned into one massive roid and be roided constantly.

I wish you all the Luck in the world SiN with ur new found members so to speak

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Darn Noah02 I find this insulting!

and to all those people who are so bothered by the changing of the rank. I would gladly whoop you ass and win this round with SiN ND just to get the point across that these weren't 2 mediocre alliances to begin with. Both ND and SiN earned our credits in previous rounds.

And Kjeldoran, you really need to speak with your memebers, cause wouldn't it be best for Angels to speak the same langanguage instead of contradicting eachother?
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oh wow another sin hc, are u like the gazzillionth?
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nope there are 5. How many did you think there were?
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*Still grins about Angels being 'solo' with no NAPs/Allys*


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*Still grins at ND bein able to hold there own ground*
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This was when your credibility ended. You want less competition for the top ranks, and for struggling alliances to collapse. I see...
I don't believe I said that in the post you quoted.

The fact you say that you would have collapsed without the merge shows exactly what I was saying in that post, that neither alliances are having a good round. And again, correct me if i'm wrong, but I still think that's the case.

I don't want less competition for the top, without competition the game is boring. I would love nothing more than to see ND and SiN fight their way back up. I just don't think the quick and easy fix you went for is fair. But it's in the rules, you just took advantage of it (So I know that the rules are to blame not you.). So i'm not pissed off that it actually happened, just disappointed that both alliances ended up in the state they were in pre-merge where they needed a merge. And also a bit annoyed that such a merge is permitted in the rules.

But anyway, we'll just have to wait and see if you keep your rank. And for that I wish you the best of luck.
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I suppose that's a valid interpretation. I retract my previous statement.
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SiN & ND are 2 ally's i personally respect
But now my respect for the both of them has dropped alot.
Without their merge both of them would never even have gotten in t10.
It's just pretty focking lame if you ask me.
But anyway, gl to tearz & the rest of SiNND, i hope for your sake you'll achieve something with this merge, or else you'll all be looking pretty stupid.
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