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17 Apr 2005, 10:52
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Black paedophiles
As we all know Michael Jackson is (supposed to be black). While it may no longer look like it he has Afrian Americn roots (or whatever you want to call it). I've been trying to think of other non-white celebrities who have been accused of child abuse. I can think of a few white people (Garry Glitter, Matthew Kelly etc) but I can't think of any non-white paedophiles. Is this because there haven't been any or have I just missed them?
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17 Apr 2005, 10:56
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Re: Black paedophiles
R Kelly.
Jesus H Christ.
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17 Apr 2005, 10:57
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
Is this because there haven't been any or have I just missed them?
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The total amount of paedophiles is quite a lot larger than the few well-known people who have been accused of, or have actually committed, this particular crime. I would say it's relatively safe to assume that paedophilia does not make a distinction between race or colour, and is prevalent among most cultures.
As you said it yourself, you can only name a few famous people who have been involved in paedophilia. Given that the majority of our society is white, it's not really surprising that no black people are in that list yet.
Also, this post is now completely obsolete because I too, had not thought of R. Kelly. I do not think that Our Lord and Saviour was a black man though, although paedophilia was acceptable around those times.
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17 Apr 2005, 11:06
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Re: Black paedophiles
Trust Leshy to know alot on the subject
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17 Apr 2005, 11:09
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Re: Black paedophiles
Aren't most serial killers white aswell?
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17 Apr 2005, 11:25
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by Ärketrollmannen
Aren't most serial killers white aswell?
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17 Apr 2005, 11:30
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Re: Black paedophiles
Yes, most serial killers are white and for the same reason as we see more white paedophiles. I would like to take this further and change the focus to non-famous non-white peadophile cases. While I can recall a fair few number of cases where non-white people have been been accused being murderers (serial and singular) I can't really think of any non-white paedophiles I have seen. For example, the Sun newspaper has printed a lot of pictures of paedohpiles on its front pages several times and I can't remember any of them being non-white. Can anyone else?
I know this might seem weird to keep going on about it but it seems a disproportionate amount of white people seem to be accused of being paedophiles. A thought has just occured to me: does this have something to do with immigration? Would a (non-white) paedophile stick to a country where he is in a majority to make it easier to groom children? Why are there no female paedophiles?
So is it statistically more likely that immigrants are not going to be paedophiles? Especially considering that most cases of child abuse (like murder) are comitted by family members or friends of family and not by complete strangers.
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17 Apr 2005, 11:39
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Re: Black paedophiles
In Sweden almost half of the abused children claim to have been abused by women.
Almost none of them are convicted tough (lack of evidence mostly)
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17 Apr 2005, 14:04
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Re: Black paedophiles
All paedophiles are black.
At least, that's what Nick Griffin says.
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17 Apr 2005, 15:21
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Re: Black paedophiles
If you wanted information on black serial-killers and padeophiles you should probably go visit a site which would keep track of those sorts of statistics like stormfront.
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17 Apr 2005, 15:28
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
For example, the Sun newspaper has printed a lot of pictures of paedohpiles on its front pages several times and I can't remember any of them being non-white. Can anyone else?
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Using The Sun as a source is a bad idea, as they will always present an extremely biased sample.
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Why are there no female paedophiles?
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Is this a serious question, because it's not a valid one. There are female paedophiles.
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17 Apr 2005, 15:34
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
Matthew Kelly
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Was cleared of all charges (or something).
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17 Apr 2005, 17:54
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Is this a serious question, because it's not a valid one. There are female paedophiles.
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I'm not saying there are no female paedophiles but they are NEVER reported about.
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17 Apr 2005, 17:55
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Was cleared of all charges (or something).
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I said accused, not found guilty of.
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17 Apr 2005, 18:00
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by Leshy
Also, this post is now completely obsolete because I too, had not thought of R. Kelly. I do not think that Our Lord and Saviour was a black man though, although paedophilia was acceptable around those times.
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If you think where Jesus came from... its hard to believe he was a white man is it? slightly off topic but an interesting point i thought. Though i agree paedophillia would'nt be concentrated between races
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17 Apr 2005, 18:02
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Re: Black paedophiles
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I said accused, not found guilty of.
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Gary Glitter was found guilty dude.
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17 Apr 2005, 18:49
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Re: Black paedophiles
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If you think where Jesus came from... its hard to believe he was a white man is it?
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He wouldn't have been a black man, but a Middle Eastern one.
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17 Apr 2005, 19:00
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by Leshy
The total amount of paedophiles is quite a lot larger than the few well-known people who have been accused of, or have actually committed, this particular crime. I would say it's relatively safe to assume that paedophilia does not make a distinction between race or colour, and is prevalent among most cultures
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Why? Do you believe paedophilia is mainly a result of genetics, or culture? If the former, do you accept that different races do have slightly different genetics, and if the latter, do you accept that different races do have very different cultures?
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17 Apr 2005, 19:04
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Why? Do you believe paedophilia is mainly a result of genetics, or culture? If the former, do you accept that different races do have slightly different genetics, and if the latter, do you accept that different races do have very different cultures?
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17 Apr 2005, 19:18
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by Nodrog
Why? Do you believe paedophilia is mainly a result of genetics, or culture? If the former, do you accept that different races do have slightly different genetics, and if the latter, do you accept that different races do have very different cultures?
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I wouldn't say paedophilia is necessarily caused by either of the two specifically.
Paedophilia is in essence nothing but the breaking of a social contract, a moral agreement on what age a person should have to be allowed to have sex. Currently, this is usually somewhere in the 16-18 range, but in many secluded and more primitive cultures, girls are married and bedded at a younger age. In ancient times, girls could also be married by the age of 12, to men in their 40's, without this having the connotation of "strange" or "sick" that such a relationship would have nowadays.
Men quite simply have a natural urge, a genetical one if you will, to spread their semen and create offspring. The age of a partner which one would find acceptable, will vary from person to person, and it is hardly surprising that there are those extremists who have exceptionally low ones, or no longer any limits at all. I don't believe this is tied to any specific form of genetics or culture, and is common among all people.
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17 Apr 2005, 19:28
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Re: Black paedophiles
I always felt that "paedophilia" was essentially rape because the child in question is mentally incapable of "consent". So the real question is when are you mentally capable of making these decisions!
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17 Apr 2005, 19:31
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Re: Black paedophiles
You often wonder why paedophilia is so hotly and frequently debated on this board.
Oh wai
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17 Apr 2005, 19:44
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Re: Black paedophiles
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I always felt that "paedophilia" was essentially rape because the child in question is mentally incapable of "consent".
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"Considered to be mentally incapable of consent."
People don't automagically grow the capability to give consent during the night of their birthday from 17 to 18. Some will have it prior to that, others will not have it for a longer period of time. Whether paedophilia constitutes rape is different per case, although when the age of the victom starts dropping below 12, I would say that you are dealing with a pretty clear cut case.
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17 Apr 2005, 19:53
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Re: Black paedophiles
That was the point of my second sentence dear.
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People don't automagically grow the capability to give consent during the night of their birthday from 17 to 18.
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I don't know why people say things like this to me on here. I would have thought I'd earned the right to not be considered a dribbling retard considering this is at least the eighth time we've had this discussion.
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17 Apr 2005, 19:56
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Re: Black paedophiles
I always felt that paedophilia was an attraction as opposed to a physical act :\
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17 Apr 2005, 20:17
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Re: Black paedophiles
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erm that was a joke btw, pls don't report me 0_o
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Paging Charles Clarke to thread #184758
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17 Apr 2005, 20:27
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Re: Black paedophiles
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I would have thought I'd earned the right to not be considered a dribbling retard
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But you're Irish, love
Also, for some reason I completely overlooked your second sentence. Which makes me look silly twice in the same thread. I'm on a roll today!
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17 Apr 2005, 20:46
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Re: Black paedophiles
Oh, JBG brings up the old nature vs nurture debate. How original and unique of him!
This'll make for an interesting and fresh thread on GD, that's for sure!
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17 Apr 2005, 21:03
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Re: Black paedophiles
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there's no evidence of me doing anyth....... oh no wait...
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Charles Clarke doesn't need 'evidence' to lock someone up forever and ever. All he needs is 'a hunch.'
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17 Apr 2005, 21:34
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Re: Black paedophiles
I thought mabye you were a bit slow.
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17 Apr 2005, 21:35
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Originally Posted by Leshy
But you're Irish, love
Also, for some reason I completely overlooked your second sentence. Which makes me look silly twice in the same thread. I'm on a roll today!
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I still haven't gotten that damn cyber
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17 Apr 2005, 21:36
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Quote:
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erm that was a joke btw, pls don't report me 0_o
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17 Apr 2005, 21:38
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Re: Black paedophiles
ITT, paedophiles swap their pictures.
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17 Apr 2005, 22:09
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Re: Black paedophiles
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17 Apr 2005, 22:25
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Re: Black paedophiles
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You often wonder why paedophilia is so hotly and frequently debated on this board.
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Because it's an interesting topic often discussed in the media which also is closely related to a range of other topics (all fairly interesting in their own right, such as the nature of consent).
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17 Apr 2005, 22:49
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Re: Black paedophiles
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I still haven't gotten that damn cyber
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18 Apr 2005, 09:38
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Re: Black paedophiles
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I always felt that paedophilia was an attraction as opposed to a physical act :\
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It is.
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Re: Black paedophiles
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Because it's an interesting topic often discussed in the media which also is closely related to a range of other topics (all fairly interesting in their own right, such as the nature of consent).
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19 Apr 2005, 14:13
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Re: Black paedophiles
to whomever neg repped me and left this 'what does race have to do with it?' without a name, this is for you.
My point was that there appears to be a distinct lack of reporting in the press on non-white paedophiles. I was wondering why this was. Was this a bias in the press or were there just hardly any non-white paedophiles? Considering that every other crime reported has at least a mixture of races the fact that paedophiles only seem to be white is a bit confusing. Being in a predominatly white country you would expect the majority of peadophiles to be white but there seems to be a white male monopoly on paedophilia in the press. Later on, if you had read past my original post you would have seen me pose the question of whether this is due to immigrants being less likely to be paedophiles.
So when you ask what does race have to do with it, that is the question I am asking.
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