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Unread 24 Nov 2008, 13:14   #1
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hallo all!

May i ask, if this is an idea Jolt could use?
i dont know what other businesses Jolt is running, exept Planetarion. But what if Jolt made Planetarion 100% free again, and rather had some Adverticement banners at the site? Without making it enoying for us players. I'm sure adverticing, could cover some of the costs that payed players is paying. (Not that i could be sure)
So, after Jolt i.e tell us this is an idea, we have to get out there, and tell the world, Planetarion is back as a free game!! and, where else to do that, then FACEBOOK! ofcourse. . We should that site, to make a group, and invite friends, that invite their friends - And the group titel should ofcourse be something like:

#% Planetarion is back - 100% FREE %#

or something like that - And parhaps a while with this-Where the players today, help out their best, to make the group get big ass hell!
The more people that look at the group, The more people could come back.

Remember planetarion had 300.000++ players once..
And as much as i know, facebook, is the biggest, and fastest place, to make a word run out to people.

Its just an idea, to PAcrew and the players that want what i do. Planetarion to get big again...

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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

but then again even the newbs multied back then
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Neh, multies could play now aswell - And login count IP's, so its np to close accounts without exeptions.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I have no problem with multiing, nor with ads.

That said, I'm not sure if it's entirely realistic to aim for that many players again (there were never 300k though), but it would definitely help.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I'm struggling to see what more we can do to make Planetarion "free with ads" - that's what it really is. The paid option exists but gains almost no benefit [perhaps scan length is one of the major remaining issues?]

facebook isn't easy to do - resolution as much as anything else. it also means recoding most of the game
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Appocomaster: Ofcourse there could be done more then facebook - Buut, Facebook is a SIICK way to get words out - its the fastest way on the internet at this point.

And, i dont agree on your look at P2P, cause - Why should someone without that much money - Or in age under 18, without VISA access, be less of a planet then someone who is?
I mean, if you have to pay, to get more speed on research and cons, and pay to get big faster - I think its unfair - Cause not everyone could pay, or are able to pay.

but again, i dont know the costs of running this game today, and the possible incom of sponsors/adverticment.

But, i think it could be great to try - many may start back up
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

there's one rather large issue you forget about ads, ppl block them, meaning we'd take a income hit just by ppl not wanting to display them.

also, paying/upgrading gives you a one time boost, not a continues one, so the difference really isn't that great.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

theres also a reason people block ads - they are offensive and intrusive.
Take away that reason and the blocking will quite probably decrease ( so, text based ads etc. no flashy images and under no circumstances images with a rollover, or flash video ads )
there will always be people who block them regardless of what you do though.
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Oh god. I hate those. They (and flash ads) were the reason I got an adblocker at last. It gets even worse when they start making sound, rah!
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Unread 25 Nov 2008, 01:34   #11
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

arent there advertises allready...

rather throw one advert back at those who are here trying to colect players target travian... its shit game but has lots of players, for a unknown reason. so they could switch for a better one.
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its shit game but has lots of players.
This tells us one of two things:
1. You're crap at determining the quality of games
2. Everyone else is crap at determining the quality of games

Of course, both may be true.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Another reason for blocking ads is they slow down the pages loading, not coz they're big, but coz of their remote hosting and the fact they load first.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Considering the game is (more) free again there should be a huge amount of effort in trying to get people back.

The invite a friend feature is absolutely pathetic, it's hidden in the preferences page and no attention is brought to it. Why is there nothing similar to the scroll of resurrection from World of Warcraft? Why can't I get some bonus or reward for getting some friend playing the game again? Why can't some feature be added so that when I do add a friend we have some special game features so we can do stuff together (lower ETA for defence maybe) instead of being in 2 entirely galaxies?

I know the suggestions are lame (please don't reply to this post just to pick them apart), but the point is if you want users then you'll have to put in effort. Changing a few stats each round and modifying features over and over again isn't going to bring in hundreds of players.

If you aren't willing to put in that effort then get someone onboard who can do the job.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I am agree - The change of stats each round, ofcourse makes people drop the game, cause its so much to set theirself into each round. But, ofcourse there could be a "Get your friends to play" prize. but then its kind of lame for those who gets their whole ally to signup at their link, and get 100 players, and much price.

If you don't want your friends to play with you, without getting payed, you dont have good friends =P

I still vote on facebook as a big place to get some back. Anywhere else?
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

First of all, PA is free as it is. PA isnt loosing any players now because its p2p. The amount they have to pay to get a boonus is also so smal.
The issue is that no one knows its free. No one knows about pa.

You think a change in stats is a reason people leave the game?
I d leave if there was no changes. Compared to 99% of all games, u have to put V little effort into learning pa. Seriously

I actually believe that ads on other games, like travian, would be a smart idea. No idea how much that would cost though
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I actually believe that ads on other games, like travian, would be a smart idea. No idea how much that would cost though
Of course. People who play persistent browser games are our target audience after all.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Travian has a very wide playerbase, this is because a lot less activity is needed to do ok/well, and the gameplay is much more appealing to the "not hardcore" player. So proberly only about 20% of their playerbase might be interested in playing planetarion. So advertising their would proberly be quite costly and you proberly won't get much in return for it.

That being said, their are proberly more games out their with players who might be interested in Planetarion, but the big problem indeed is how to reach them, because I dont think PA lookalike games will want PA adds on their site stealing their members.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

PA doesn't require a lot of activity either. Half an hour in the evening and half an hour in the morning are enough to do reasonably well. If I remember correctly, Travian is that game in which you can be attacked at ETAs way below 5 hours.
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I had the impression it is slow on attack field aswell...
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PA doesn't require a lot of activity either. Half an hour in the evening and half an hour in the morning are enough to do reasonably well. If I remember correctly, Travian is that game in which you can be attacked at ETAs way below 5 hours.
Yes this is true, even 10 minutes is possible, but their are many ways to make yourself unappealing for attacks, and being attacked in travian usually has far less consequences then being attacked in PA.

They also have a function called "sitter" where you can give max 2 people acces to your account so they can run things when you are out or on vacation.

Enough about travian lets hear some more ideas to get PA's player base up!!
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I actually believe that ads on other games, like travian, would be a smart idea. No idea how much that would cost though [/QUOTE]
They could get in touch with the "company" that supplies the banners on this forum/portal/ingame.
Usually they're links to other browser games...
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Why do a large ammount of people think that promotion via facebook is the answer to all problems, facebook is kinda like word of mouth and and since not many people play PA... it makes facebook pretty useless

The thing about advertising on other browser games is would that game loose players to the advertisers? does the benefits advantage the costs? if not theres no way it will happen, unless that game is part of a network of other games.

u must also take into consideration the relevance of the place of advertisment, not much point advertising planetarion on another space stratergy browser game or various cosumer websites i.e. ebuyer etc

it seems to me that irc is a major part of planetarion, although most networks dont take very kindly to people advertising games.

therefore advertising on other mutal sites maybe a good idea and im not talking about facebook etc, there are many browser based review sites out there on the interwebs.

IMO Planetarion needs a public relations person to liaise with other relevant promotion web sites and create a network to which can help one another achieve goals for example gaining the ability to promote other browser based games via irc maybe a good idea i.e. #planetarion advertises for trivian #trivian if they have an irc network (never played trivian) do the same for PA, as trivian is a different genre of game this maybe achieveable there are also many, many, many other ways to promote and gain recognition, but the thing is does planetarion have the resources to test out such things?
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I don't think advertising a game which has so many flaws/problems is exactly going to increase the playerbase, people will come to Planetarion and give up fairly quickly. The game was new and innovative back in 2000, but it's still the same game.

People seem to be comparing this game to Travian, just look at your first 5-10 minutes with each game.

Travian - Registration was quick and easy, just needed 3 bits of information and I was able to login after the first email which contained my activation code.

Planetarion - Registration is far more time consuming - have to enter lots of details. First email for an activation code, then another email for a password which I'll have to change as soon as I login. Login requires an annoying CAPTCHA which further delays things. Felt more like an ordeal than a simple registration.

After logging in...

Travian - Some popup appears to get me going with a quest system, a quick guide on how to get started in the game. It isn't too descriptive, but along with the pictures you've got a good idea of what needs doing.

Planetarion - Pure and utter chaos, awful colour scheme and I've got no idea what to do. You have to select your starting quest to get going - surely this should be enabled by default? Looks like I'll have to read the boring manual to get going here - but this manual is 100% text and hard to read.


I could go on, but I don't think this is the right thread for it. However the point is you're unlikely to gain a significant playerbase if the game is so damn awkward from the start. Nobody has looked at this game from a new players perspective and it shows.

Improve the game to make it playable and understandable and then make a huge effort on advertising/promotion, it'll be a wasted effort otherwise.
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I totally agree with GReaper. This is also one of the reasons I've been such a vocal proponent of KISS; PA is hard enough to get into without all sorts of pointless complication.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I also agree with GReaper.

PA needs an easy guide, not a long manual.
PA needs to change ingame a bit so certain parts aren't that difficult to find.
PA doesn't need to change things for the sake of change... completly new shipstats each round, changing some formulae's here & there, bla bla bla
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

In fairness, the stats aren't what drives newbies away.
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I disagree, people that played 1 round come back to expect the same game the next round. Not to see almost everything they knew about ships in previous rounds to have completly disappeared and changed by something new.

Minor tweaks are no problem, but completly overhauling them ...
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

People that played 1 round are generally ready to join an alliance. By that point they no longer need to know the stats themselves any more, there's a few stats nuts in every alliance.

A balance needs to be struck between making it easier for new players to start playing and ensuring veterans don't get bored. In my opinion there are areas in which new players benefit a lot more from game improvements, which do not make the game boring for veterans at the same time (scanning, for example).
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Isnt the Universe limitless in size already?
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

Good speach Greaper.

The problem is every idea to help new people gets shot down and flamed in order to get the one suggesting such to look like he would be the one needing that feature and tbh, who cares even they would.

Anyway this group of people tend to make it hard for any new player, unless admins can look beyond and make their own desisions of needed features and guides. How ever I dont think we have a one single admin team member with any vision to change the game.

I think omac would even pay someone for coding some new stuff and making it easier for new joiners. Hence it will most likely increase their income in long run.
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The problem is every idea to help new people gets shot down and flamed in order to get the one suggesting such to look like he would be the one needing that feature and tbh, who cares even they would.
Er, what? Are you reading the same forums I am?
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=197206

not the most noobie friendly feature, but one example...
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I see someone present an idea, and some people saying that it's a bad one. That's what you call flaming?
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Re: How to make universe bigger - More player (to admins aswell)

I see a person stating he want feature x added and I see persons stating that "they are so leet no one needs such unless they are complete nubs..."
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I see a person stating he want feature x added and I see persons stating that "they are so leet no one needs such unless they are complete nubs..."
I tried to find a passage which resembles your exaggeration, but I have been unable to find one. Please point it out for me. I would also like to direct your attention toward the many posts in that thread which give normal, reasonable answers. You're making it seem like everyone on PS flames everyone who suggests anything; this is hardly the case.

I'm not going to bother following up with more replies.
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