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Unread 20 Jan 2005, 23:09   #1
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George Bush

In all honesty, I don't have a great deal to say about this subject, it's just an impulsive emotion I've felt whilst watching Sky News.

Is it just me, or are we looking at the birth of the United States of Earth?

It's just a little subject for you political types to discuss if you want.
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Unread 20 Jan 2005, 23:48   #2
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If it is the case - then you are doing your bit to make it happen.
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What has George Bush got to do with a single world government?
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Unread 21 Jan 2005, 00:04   #4
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Re: George Bush

Bush's inauguration speech basically stated his intent to weed out the dictators of the world.

I have a funny feeling this means we are going to see a huge amount of dead and wounded over the next 4 years, and a definite invasion of yet another sovereign nation.

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Unread 21 Jan 2005, 00:12   #5
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Re: George Bush

What is really teh state of Afghanistan?

We know Iraq is a mess and they will have to bee there for at least another year (i'd say five but they probably won't) and they are thinking about invading Iran.

Can the US really support such an occupation?

Can the United states occupy all the land, from the western part of iraq to the eastern part of Afghanistan?

How much people would it take?

How much people can the american military summon?
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Somehow, I doubt that Bush is going to be able to invade all the authoritarian states in the world and bring global democracy within the next four years. Unless he's Jesus or Santa or something.
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Re: George Bush

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Somehow, I doubt that Bush is going to be able to invade all the authoritarian states in the world and bring global democracy within the next four years. Unless he's Jesus or Santa or something.
he knows he has 4 years. Thats enough time for a really good war. And then he can **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.
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Somehow, I doubt that Bush is going to be able to invade all the authoritarian states in the world and bring global democracy within the next four years. Unless he's Jesus or Santa or something.
But Jesus told him to invade.
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But Jesus told him to invade.
Dick Cheney is the second coming?
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Re: George Bush

I used to have a cartoon on my wall with a picture of santa in his workshop making toys, and outside there are a couple of US agents. They are peeking through the windows, one of them is talking on the radio.

"Roger it's him, he has a beard and all kinds of things"

The other one is staring at Rudolf the reindeer

"He has a camel to"

Everytime i thought that the war on terror couldn't get any worse, i looked at that pic.

I had to remove it in the end.
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Unread 21 Jan 2005, 00:22   #11
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he knows he has 4 years. Thats enough time for a really good war. And then he can **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.
Will the American people support another war?
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But Jesus told him to invade.
he does say he has God on his side...
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They're certainly not getting any smarter..
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Will the American people support another war?
but they all have weapons of mass destruction and support terrorism, so ofc they will.
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Re: George Bush

Actually, Iran does.

Right?
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Re: George Bush

I was giving them some credit for not being that stupid
The American people would have to feel much more at risk before they let the troops go off and die in another war.

EDIT - oh an Wu_Trax called it.
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Re: George Bush

i loved the benediction: "May God protect America's borders" made me burst out laughing.
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Re: George Bush

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I was giving them some credit for not being that stupid
The American people would have to feel much more at risk before they let the troops go off and die in another war.
we in europe only need to be against it and they'll support it.
(i just had to eat a McRip because that dumb **** at mcdonalds messed up my order, so sorry, if i'm a little anti-american today it is because THEY invented such a disgusting food)
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I was giving them some credit for not being that stupid
The American people would have to feel much more at risk before they let the troops go off and die in another war.

EDIT - oh an Wu_Trax called it.
Christians are perpetually scared about everything. That is why they have always been so indiscriminately violent.
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Actually, Iran does.

Right?
well, the saudis are worse in supporting terrorists and if you are called axis of evil, wouldn't you try to get nukes as soon as possible, because thats the only protection you can get?
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Can the United states occupy all the land, from the western part of iraq to the eastern part of Afghanistan?
Actually, the number of US troops in Afghanistan is minute. I believe that the entire western contingent in Afghanistan comprises less than 10,000 troops. This can be contrasted with the many tens of thousands in Iraq.

It would certainly be much, much more difficult for Bush to mount any direct invasion of Iran after the Iraq adventure, both at home and abroad, possibly to an almost intolerable degree, both for practical and political reasons which should be fairly obvious.
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They voted for him. That announced they support him despite him declaring a war on Iraq.

He will turn on the fear and scaremongering again, and suddenly theyll be able to get involved overseas again. Orange Alert anyone?
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how did you find that thread?
I was having a look at what the most replied to threads were. Saw a thread by me and thought i'd take a read to see how the hell it got so many replies!
Then saw your reply and thought "Good call".
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If the Earth was ever to have one president, I'd prefer him to be black. and his name would be: Shaft
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GEAOGRE BUSH IS THE LEADER OF THE ILLUMINATI !

I doubt the American military could win in Iran without a huge commitment of troops, by huge we're not talking about Iraq huge, we're talking real huge, even then they'd have to deal with getting nuked at the gates of Tehran.
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The front page of today's Times reads something along the lines of "His second term mission: to end tyranny on Earth".
One assumes this will happen in exactly four years time.
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well, the saudis are worse in supporting terrorists and if you are called axis of evil, wouldn't you try to get nukes as soon as possible, because thats the only protection you can get?
If i ruled Iran I would aquire biological and nuclear weapons as soon as possible, and at the least sign of trouble start killng the american continent of.

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Actually, the number of US troops in Afghanistan is minute. I believe that the entire western contingent in Afghanistan comprises less than 10,000 troops. This can be contrasted with the many tens of thousands in Iraq.
Yeah, and they have no control whatsoever over the country.

At least in Iraq they have some form of control.
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When he resigns.
Heh?
I meant when the next president is sworn in.
Resigns? You know something we don't?!
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Re: George Bush

I doubt that Iran has any WMD, but Iran is still much larger than Iraq, so an invasion would be a huge operation. I'd be surprised if it happened to be honest.
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i also doubt that a full scale invasion will happen, bush doesn't have the resources for an invasion, but that doesn't rule out air strikes.
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he knows he has 4 years. Thats enough time for a really good war. And then he can **** off and leave someone else to clear up the mess.

one of the best american decisions of recent times: limiting their presidents to 2 terms in office


(for the record, and the purpose of the thread, they won't invade iran, i would lay money on it)
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Yes but they might have WMD so there is no way the US will invade.
Did you see any of the 3 programs on BBC2 about "The Power of Nightmares" or something - about neo-conservatism and Islamists. Was v. interesting and about pretty much what you put above. Was also saying the term al-Qaeda was first coined by America in so they could make out bin Laden was head of a massive terror network and could thus try him for the Nairobi (? - may have been 1st WTC one)) bombings. No such massive network existed and that's why they couldn't find al-Qaeda cells in Afghanistan - but there could have been.
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Re: George Bush

yes, they bombed two us-embassies in africe a few years ago. After that Clinton bombed a few random locations (like a factory that produced medical supplies in Sudan) and because mostly african, not americans were killed everyone forgot about it.
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one of the best american decisions of recent times: limiting their presidents to 2 terms in office
Recent?

The 22nd Amendment (limiting Presidents to two terms) was ratified in 1951.
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Earth = around 4.5 billion years old (hi DM).

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Yeah, and they have no control whatsoever over the country.
You're missing the point; the political strategy in Afghanistan is precisely to have the warlords as part of the political process, at least in the short term. There was never any attempt to conquer the entire country militarily - The original UN force was not even mandated to operate beyond Kabul.

This is, apparently, if we're to believe the rumours, the same strategy that the US wants to use in Iran - destruction of the military and political infrastructure by strikes followed by some kind of internal revoution - however it rather misses the point that there is no equivalent of the Northern Alliance in Iran, and the central government is in a strong position, unlike the Taleban.

Presumably they are hoping to somehow transplant the same effect that toppled Milosevic in Belgrade to Tehran, which is, as usual, the same old pie-in-the-sky nonsense that we've seen in the thinking on Iraq.

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Earth = around 4.5 billion years old (hi DM).

22nd Amendment = around 54 years old (hi dad).
Ah, I see. I had foolishly assumed that "one of the best american decisions" somehow limited the timeframe of comparison from ~1776 to the present.
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I had foolishly assumed that "one of the best american decisions" somehow limited the timeframe of comparison from ~1776 to the present.
Ghengis Khan was American.


Not a lot of people know that.
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Ah, I see. I had foolishly assumed that "one of the best american decisions" somehow limited the timeframe of comparison from ~1776 to the present.
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Ah, I see. I had foolishly assumed that "one of the best american decisions" somehow limited the timeframe of comparison from ~1776 to the present.

i was using that timescale, however, that decision is still fairly recent (being within the lifetime of people still alive today) even when you consider that america is still a fairly young nation
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Christians are perpetually scared about everything. That is why they have always been so indiscriminately violent.
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If the Earth was ever to have one president, I'd prefer him to be black. and his name would be: Shaft
or Snoop Dogg

-and i did vote for bush.. just didnt expect him to be that ambitious
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If Christians had boogied more instead of being paranoid fanatics, then we would never have witnessed the great schism, or the crusades.
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That Jesus fellow is responsible for a lot of the world's problems.
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That Jesus fellow is responsible for a lot of the world's problems.
yea.. it started when mary started having sex with their next door neighbor Bob, and got knocked up, so she told joseph that it was immaculate conception when in reality, jesus was Bob's (who forgot to pull out and got Mary pregnant) kid - so mary started feeding little baby jesus of how she immaculately got pregnant so jesus grew up with this idea and commenced one of the most confusing problems the world is facing nowadays

i like george bush though, he's actually a funny guy (see fahrenheit 911 if you guys havent seen it yet lol!)
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