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Weeks · 8 Feb 2005, 01:08

Jeeves doesn't know.
If not, what else do you need to eat?

Zar · 8 Feb 2005, 01:11

yes. however your body will be severely lacking in other required minerals and vitamins and you will suffer a multitude of problems in the long term

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 01:12

Protein is something you can have as a staple. Make amino acids and peptides and other fancypantsness from protein. It's why vegetarians create such a fuss over pulses and lentils and stuff, as they are plants with protein in.
I survived for a long time on basically bread, meat and orange juice while short of cash at Uni.

Weeks · 8 Feb 2005, 01:12

Do you happen to know exactly what'll be lacking?

[edit] so if you just eat fruit and vegtables you'll be ok with few to no side effects?

Zar · 8 Feb 2005, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Weeks

Do you happen to know exactly what'll be lacking?

http://www.healthalternatives2000.com/minchart.htm

this seems useful

I think the point to be made here is that if you had access to all the fruits in the world, you might be able to provide for a staple diet

However, it is most likely that one wont have access to such a wide variety and also fruits contain lesser amounts of certain minerals and vitamins that are more abundant in other sources. Taking too many fruits to supplement this shortfall will provide you with an excess of other minerals... and we all know taking too much of anything is just as bad.

Madina · 8 Feb 2005, 01:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weeks

Do you happen to know exactly what'll be lacking?

[edit] so if you just eat fruit and vegtables you'll be ok with few to no side effects?

Cant you just take those pills which have stupid amounts of vitamins in each pill?

demiGOD · 8 Feb 2005, 01:21

go = carbs, starch, sugar
grow = meats/protein, iron, etc
glow = vegetables/natural vitamins, fruit, etc

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 01:22

Possibly, but apples and vitamin/mineral pills still leave you unable to make muscles and blood and cells.

Obliterate · 8 Feb 2005, 01:39

As well as vitamins and minerals, there are certain essential amino acids and essential fatty acids which the body cannot produce; they must be ingested. I'm not sure a diet of just fruit would provide you with these things, although you'd have to stay on the diet for a long time to notice any effects as you probably have enough stored in your body for a reasonably long time.

Yahwe · 8 Feb 2005, 07:39

you won't get any vitamin D

you won't get any calcium.

you'll turn into a jellyfish

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 12:14

No calcium in coconuts? Maybe calling it milk just has me confused. Even if it did, coconut milk if drunk regularly has a laxative effect.
And I thought you made vitamin D from sunlight.

SYMM · 8 Feb 2005, 12:21

Calcium, Magnesium and Potassium according to my friend Google.
Though I doubt it containing calcium is responsible for the name 'milk', I think its visual appearance would be the factor

Yahwe · 8 Feb 2005, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Gumbie

And I thought you made vitamin D from sunlight.

he's posting on an internet forum and yu think he's going to get enough sunlight to make vitamin D

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 12:54

He could be like the dude in wireless internet ads accessing from beautiful outdoor locations and up mountains.

roadrunner_0 · 8 Feb 2005, 12:56

why do you want to know if you can live on fruit alone?

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 12:58

He's such a hardcore vegetarian he won't eat vegetables?

Yahwe · 8 Feb 2005, 13:01

I have met a 'fructarian'

conversation with one is not easy.

Nodrog · 8 Feb 2005, 13:03

Fruit is almost pure sugar; living on chocolate and vitamin pills would probably have the same effect while also tasting nicer.

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 13:04

But fruit is plant babies :eek:
How can he justify fruit over say tubers and root vegetables only?

Yahwe · 8 Feb 2005, 13:07

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Originally Posted by Gumbie

But fruit is plant babies :eek:
How can he justify fruit over say tubers and root vegetables only?

fruit causes no harm to the plant as it naturally falls away, tubers and vegetables cause damage or destruction of the plant.

This was the argument i believe.

I regret i did not mention the 'plant baby' point, i was edging towards the door from the moment i was introduced.

JonnyBGood · 8 Feb 2005, 13:20

Why would anyone want to solely eat fruit?

Structural Integrity · 8 Feb 2005, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

I have met a 'fructarian'

conversation with one is not easy.

Did he lose the ability to speak?

Proteus · 8 Feb 2005, 13:36

It is written, "Man shall not live by fruit alone, but by every pie that proceeds from the oven of Idimmu."

Weeks · 8 Feb 2005, 21:14

OK.

fruit, vegetables plus some fish.

Reckon I can survive?

Marilyn Manson · 8 Feb 2005, 21:16

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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Why would anyone want to solely eat fruit?

'Because they were mentaly unstable.' would be the obvious answer.

Gumbie · 8 Feb 2005, 22:09

You can survive on that quite easily. All you've done is eliminate mammals and birds from your diet (plus amphibians and molluscs, but I doubt he's french). Fish can fill your needs that mammals and birds would otherwise do.

Dairy products I suppose, just to keep your calcium in the clear, but the food you have there seems to be alright.

slick · 8 Feb 2005, 22:55

I hate vegetetarians..... (no offence to them intended) Its just they all say "well, i hate to know that a cow died to make this beef....." *cries* All I'd ever say is, but a vegetable is alive, the only difference is it cant walk or speak, so i think vegetarians are cruel and evil. They prey on living things that are not only rooted in the ground, but they cant scream or shout or talk to at least say "hey i'm here"

They are bastards... damn vegetarians......

Zar · 8 Feb 2005, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick

I hate vegetetarians..... (no offence to them intended) Its just they all say "well, i hate to know that a cow died to make this beef....." *cries* All I'd ever say is, but a vegetable is alive, the only difference is it cant walk or speak, so i think vegetarians are cruel and evil. They prey on living things that are not only rooted in the ground, but they cant scream or shout or talk to at least say "hey i'm here"

They are bastards... damn vegetarians......

They also live longer....

Yahwe · 8 Feb 2005, 23:02

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Originally Posted by slick

the only difference is it cant walk or speak,

cows speak to you?

slick · 8 Feb 2005, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahwe

cows speak to you?

Ahem.

No.

I meant that at least a cow can go MOO! and run away, plants just get uprooted and cant say anything.....

Marilyn Manson · 8 Feb 2005, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick

plants just get uprooted and cant say anything.....

Plants speak to me.

Ste · 8 Feb 2005, 23:10

she's not eatin' bacon, not
eatin' sausage,
and she won't eat eggs,
not eatin' chicken
not eatin' turkey, she
won't have a steak,
but i just can't help feelin'
sorry
for this poor little lettuce head
you know, i can't stop cryin' cause i
know this broccoli's dead

vegetarian? i'm not a vegetarian,
vegetarian...she's a

poor little cow, little sheep,
little fish
how can I sleep? when carrots
are bleedin'
plants are screamin' and tomatoes cry,
you say "it's not so bad, they're only
vegetables", that's what you said
maybe i'm a murderer, but i'm hungry
and they're better off dead.

save a plant, eat a cow,
i want beef, i want it now!
i'm gonna eat it cause it's red!
i'm gonna eat it cause it's dead!
maybe i should eat it raw let the
blood run down my jaw
i'd eat people if it was legal,
i'd eat people if it was legal!

JonnyBGood · 8 Feb 2005, 23:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zar

They also live longer....

Not if you kill them first they don't.

demiGOD · 9 Feb 2005, 04:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Plants speak to me.

after smoking 2 joints and drinking a whole bottle of robitussin cough syrup back in my numbnut days, i have this bundle of lettuce in my fridge that asked me what time it was.. freaked me out

demiGOD · 9 Feb 2005, 04:13

hmm, i didnt know ste can rap

Ste · 9 Feb 2005, 10:21

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Originally Posted by demiGOD

hmm, i didnt know ste can rap

It's ska not rap.

Gumbie · 9 Feb 2005, 14:44

If it was ska you'd have put in the brass tootles.

Ste · 9 Feb 2005, 16:51

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Originally Posted by Gumbie

If it was ska you'd have put in the brass tootles.

I was humming them while i read through the lyrics.
bada bada ba ba

hmm, I'm interested to know what tune you two thought the lyrics went to...
would sound quite strange as a rap.

Snurx · 9 Feb 2005, 18:26

Vegans survive, and healthy, without any form off animal in their food. A lot of vegan cusine is also quite good! I would consider taking supplements, it makes things easier.
Just being a vegetarian is easy, to stay healthy that is. Think less about what is good for you, the only thing is to eat some sort of protein. I like Cashew nuts myself.
Add in fish, and survival is easy, probably easier then with meat. Meat, at least in the quantities most people eat it, is not healthy, at least not the meat from regular shops.
But who can resist a indian spiach and lamb?

Quote:

Originally Posted by slick

I hate vegetetarians..... (no offence to them intended) Its just they all say "well, i hate to know that a cow died to make this beef....." *cries* All I'd ever say is, but a vegetable is alive, the only difference is it cant walk or speak, so i think vegetarians are cruel and evil. They prey on living things that are not only rooted in the ground, but they cant scream or shout or talk to at least say "hey i'm here"

They are bastards... damn vegetarians......

If you seriously think every vegetarian/vegan is a treehugger, you should shoot yourself, or research things better before you spread bigotry.

Structural Integrity · 9 Feb 2005, 18:32

My boss is a veg.
He even refuses to sit on leather chairs.
I don't like him a whole lot.
But that's probably because he's my boss.

Yahwe · 9 Feb 2005, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snurx

Vegans survive, and healthy, without any form off animal in their food. A lot of vegan cusine is also quite good! I would consider taking supplements, it makes things easier.

where do you think the vitamins in the suplements come from?

Snurx · 9 Feb 2005, 18:42

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

where do you think the vitamins in the suplements come from?

Hehe. I made the exactly same point against a vegan once, but I got my ass handed to me. He was too hardcore, thought. He checked everything he bought

Im sure that the point can be used against 80% of the coffe-shop revolutionaries, however!

Yahwe · 9 Feb 2005, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snurx

Hehe. I made the exactly same point against a vegan once, but I got my ass handed to me. He was too hardcore, thought. He checked everything he bought

there's no non animal source of vitamin D.

his only option is sunbathing. a lot.

JonnyBGood · 9 Feb 2005, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahwe

there's no non animal source of vitamin D.

his only option is sunbathing. a lot.

"Soylent Green".

Snurx · 9 Feb 2005, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahwe

there's no non animal source of vitamin D.

his only option is sunbathing. a lot.

Knowing the person in question, he does that. And solarium in the winter, althought I'm not sure that helps.
On the other hand, he is the most treehugging person I've ever met.

Structural Integrity · 9 Feb 2005, 18:55

This thread reminds me of the T-shirt phrase "Save the rainforests, whipe your ass with an owl"

JC · 9 Feb 2005, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

there's no non animal source of vitamin D.

his only option is sunbathing. a lot.

You could quite easily produce it in bacteria using the animal gene(s). That way you arent killing any animals so i'm sure vegies would be happy.

Gumbie · 9 Feb 2005, 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snurx

Add in fish, and survival is easy, probably easier then with meat. Meat, at least in the quantities most people eat it, is not healthy, at least not the meat from regular shops.
But who can resist a indian spiach and lamb?

Do you read what you type? Fish is not meat? If you eat fish, you are not a vegetarian, whether it's on health grounds, moral grounds or whatever.

Snurx · 9 Feb 2005, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Gumbie

Do you read what you type? Fish is not meat? If you eat fish, you are not a vegetarian, whether it's on health grounds, moral grounds or whatever.

I know this. In fact, I have great fun at bothering people who call themselfs vegetarians but eat fish or shrimps or whatever.
Find Week's post a little over mine.
"OK. fruit, vegetables plus some fish. Reckon I can survive?"
My post was merely my opinions on that. If I made myself unclear, I apologize for that.

Yahwe · 9 Feb 2005, 20:23

i can never understand vegetarians.

why don't they just eat the ugly animals?