Will Fury win Round 8?

[Duke Leto]

Since they are not aligned with anyone, will Fury quietly win the war of attrition, and if so, will they have to nap themselves to silent victory?

And if you believe they will, how will you be able to tell in such a jumble of alliances all vying for the top spot?

My point being: it may be hard to pick a winner this round.

Sensible opinions please.


Leto

Originally posted by Duke Leto
Since they are not aligned with anyone, will Fury quietly win the war of attrition, and if so, will they have to nap themselves to silent victory?

*sigh* need I make a answer to this question or does everyone already know what I considered as a reply.

To say fury have no relations is like saying IRAQ dosnt have a nuclear weapons program.

Officially both are true ey ?

[Torz]

Originally posted by ado




To say fury have no relations is like saying IRAQ dosnt have a nuclear weapons program.

or both are attempts at propoganda.

Probably both

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by ado


*sigh* need I make a answer to this question or does everyone already know what I considered as a reply.

To say fury have no relations is like saying IRAQ dosnt have a nuclear weapons program.

Officially both are true ey ?

No, both are nebulous at best and without substantiated evidence.

All you have is intent on both sides, not the goods.



Leto

[kyrealean]

the ultimate tragedy of this discussion is that none of the potential winning alliances would dare tag up and show the others just how strong they really are.

No 1 alliance will win Round 8, it will just be interesting to see which Top gal and planet survives to be #1, as im sure that in time all of the Top 20 will get strikes organized on them much like 253.1 suffered in Rd4 or like Girlee suffered this round.

Fury has a shot true enough, the real question is will the coalition of alliances arrayed against her survive internal strife long enough to deal her a Death blow.

Originally posted by kyrealean

Fury has a shot true enough, the real question is will the coalition of alliances arrayed against her survive internal strife long enough to deal her a Death blow.

If you are going to personificate an alliance such as this, perhaps refering to "her" as "twins" would be a more accurant representation of the current situation.

[-=Zyth=-]

Originally posted by kyrealean
the ultimate tragedy of this discussion is that none of the potential winning alliances would dare tag up and show the others just how strong they really are.

Soon, a week I would think. Well if they were truely independant.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by ado


If you are going to personificate an alliance such as this, perhaps refering to "her" as "twins" would be a more accurant representation of the current situation.

You seem to be mistaken or your intel is lacking - Wrath disbanded last round, and that was the only 'twin' of Fury.

[SpazMonster]

Originally posted by ado


If you are going to personificate an alliance such as this, perhaps refering to "her" as "twins" would be a more accurant representation of the current situation.

Or maybe you could take what someone else says at face value and not try to demonstrate your misunderstandings and negative conjectures.

Originally posted by Zh|l


You seem to be mistaken or your intel is lacking - Wrath disbanded last round, and that was the only 'twin' of Fury.

That was more like its ugly stepsister.... no no I was mistaken I mean this rounds "pet" then.. hows that ?

[Kileman]

An LDK planet will win.

A Fury planet will finish #2.
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[G.K Zhukov]

more important, who will care for who wins the last round of pa?

[Demented Turnip]

Originally posted by Duke Leto
My point being: it may be hard to pick a winner this round.

Has there ever been a consensus measure of who wins a round?

[Obfuscator]

Originally posted by Allfather
the winners this round will be the alliance with the fewest casualties due to extreme bordome (people who quit).
Since this round is about as intresting as counting pebbles in your driveway, i realy dont think anyone gives a toss about it anymore.

Was mutch more fun back in the days when there were elite alliances in pa,who where few and could control the masses,then today,when only crap alliance is what´s around. Numbers > quality, not like in the old days,when it was the other way around.

There are no elite alliances left,and i think most people agree with me here, even that shebitch torz...

There are no elite alliances left, I agree. But it's not because there are only crap alliances, with crap players. Rather, it's because the only people left playing PA are far too dedicated. The skill level is much higher on average than in the early rounds, and most every alliance is mainly professional....hence making a truly elite alliance would be nigh impossible in this environment. An "elite" group of 40 players won't stand a chance against the bigger alliances(even if their skill level is somewhat lower on average), because their skill level differential simply won't be enough to make up the difference.

[Edit] As long as I am posting on the thread, here's my views on Fury, as someone who is woefully uninformed about this round's political climate. If Fury is truly unallied, they will not win the round. There are too many people who will do everything in their power to prevent this from occuring, and Fury, no matter how good they are, will not be able to stop them. If Fury is even marginally allied with other alliances, or works with them successfully to any degree, then it is too close to call for someone who doesn't play, and doesn't follow this round closely ;-) [/edit]

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally posted by Obfuscator


There are no elite alliances left, I agree. But it's not because there are only crap alliances, with crap players. Rather, it's because the only people left playing PA are far too dedicated. The skill level is much higher on average than in the early rounds, and most every alliance is mainly professional....hence making a truly elite alliance would be nigh impossible in this environment. An "elite" group of 40 players won't stand a chance against the bigger alliances(even if their skill level is somewhat lower on average), because their skill level differential simply won't be enough to make up the difference.

Agree.

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by Demented Turnip

Has there ever been a consensus measure of who wins a round?

Yes.

Concordium r1
Legion r2
Legion / Fury r3
VeX r4
Furgion r5
Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6
Furgion r7


It was easier in the old days because people could use tags to pull out the overall alliance scores and avg planet scores. In the latter rounds, it was much like a boxing decision, and by looking to see who "wasn't" left standing.

I'd like to see all alliances tag (in game tagging) and see whats what myself.


For one, elitism makes for a fun round for a small few (the elite) and random more balanced game play makes for the elites to have less fun (since everyone is professional and thus it is harder to break away from the pack and dominate) so ofc they would suggest that perhaps r8 is a nutter, and sucks bobo.

I find the balance of power quite refreshing.


Leto

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Duke Leto


Concordium r1
Legion r2
Legion / Fury r3
VeX r4
Furgion r5
Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6
Furgion r7

come on sweet heart - you know I'd never let you get away with that one.

Concordium r1 - ( didn't get the top gal controversial split on c7R / BT top gal )
Legion r2 - Fury / Legion split
Legion / Fury r3 ( fracture at the end with Fury / WP bias )
VeX r4
Furgion r5 - Fury / Legion split - ( with the rest of the allied pact runners up )
Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6
Furgion r7 - Fury ( legion runners up )

[SilverSmoke]

Originally posted by Cryptic


VeX r4

Furgion r7 - Fury ( legion runners up )

And why wouldnt you say Furgion for r7 like you say VeX for r4?

[Obfuscator]

Originally posted by SilverSmoke



And why wouldnt you say Furgion for r7 like you say VeX for r4?

Clearly, unlike Legion, Xanadu, and Ely, Fury has never been a part of a power-block. Fury and Legion were not nearly as close in either round 5 or round 7 as VeX was in r4.

[fiddler123b]

Originally posted by Duke Leto


Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6

i remember that a certain Lithaunian guy ended up #1 planetwise.
correct me if I am wrong

[Obfuscator]

Originally posted by fiddler123b
i remember that a certain Lithaunian guy ended up #1 planetwise.
correct me if I am wrong

Having quit before the end of r6, I don't know the answer to this. What I DO know, is that even if someone in XETA won the #1 spot in r6, for them to claim a victory in the round overall would be grossly inaccurate. For any alliance to claim victory, they had best have a pretty solid domination of the top spots.

[Xeno]

Originally posted by Obfuscator
If Fury is truly unallied, they will not win the round. There are too many people who will do everything in their power to prevent this from occuring, and Fury, no matter how good they are, will not be able to stop them.[/edit]

There are many good points in this thread already, namely that this round won't see any one clear, overall winner (meaning there won't be one very dominating alliance, although we will of course have a #1 planet and #1 galaxy) and that Fury can't win anything if they stay on their own.

Fury has realized this as well, which is why we see them work with FAnG and ToT towards a common agreement. Their co-operative efforts make them one of the two strongest blocks this round (you'll have to excuse me for using the block term here), which in the end could make Fury the "winners" of round 8.

I doubt this will be the final outcome, though And I agree with Leto: This round is indeed refreshing.


Xeno

[Lord_Thunderball]

Without whining about any block on any side,

It's Titans who are gonna win the round if nothing will change, no person can doubt that. If alliance wise things will change, Fury might be an alliance that can win the round.

Same counts for LDK, Titans, Fury, Fang. I don't see any other alliance winning.

Thunder

[MelAn]

Originally posted by Duke Leto
Since they are not aligned with anyone, will Fury quietly win the war of attrition, and if so, will they have to nap themselves to silent victory?

And if you believe they will, how will you be able to tell in such a jumble of alliances all vying for the top spot?

My point being: it may be hard to pick a winner this round.

Sensible opinions please.


Leto

..the one & only powerblock will win this round!

[Legator]

Originally posted by Duke Leto



Yes.

Concordium r1
Legion r2
Legion / Fury r3
VeX r4
Furgion r5
Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6
Furgion r7


It was easier in the old days because people could use tags to pull out the overall alliance scores and avg planet scores. In the latter rounds, it was much like a boxing decision, and by looking to see who "wasn't" left standing.

I'd like to see all alliances tag (in game tagging) and see whats what myself.


For one, elitism makes for a fun round for a small few (the elite) and random more balanced game play makes for the elites to have less fun (since everyone is professional and thus it is harder to break away from the pack and dominate) so ofc they would suggest that perhaps r8 is a nutter, and sucks bobo.

I find the balance of power quite refreshing.


Leto

fully agreed, i enjoy this round very much. and its much harder to be a "top" player this round coz of this random gals...and also u dont only have 2 parts like in private gals, all is mixed etc.

for myself its a very funny round, if this round would have 12k planets it would be a fabulous one.

pa should never have gone into private gals. its my 2. random round after round 3 but the most enjoyable one.

[Demented Turnip]

I was referring to individual alliances. Of course going by powerblocks is easier but I still think individual alliances argue over who won (Alliance Victory Disabled). I know R5 was argued between Fury and Legion depending how far down the rankings you went, and I don't know what alliance "Not Furgion or Xanadu" is, which is my point.

I think if I ask 10 people how they would determine which alliance wins, I'd get 11 different answers. In this morass, how would you define the winner? # of planets in top 10? top 50? top 500?

By tagging do you mean planet tagging?

Originally posted by Duke Leto
Yes.

Concordium r1
Legion r2
Legion / Fury r3
VeX r4
Furgion r5
Not Furgion or Xanadu in round 6
Furgion r7


It was easier in the old days because people could use tags to pull out the overall alliance scores and avg planet scores. In the latter rounds, it was much like a boxing decision, and by looking to see who "wasn't" left standing.

I'd like to see all alliances tag (in game tagging) and see whats what myself.


For one, elitism makes for a fun round for a small few (the elite) and random more balanced game play makes for the elites to have less fun (since everyone is professional and thus it is harder to break away from the pack and dominate) so ofc they would suggest that perhaps r8 is a nutter, and sucks bobo.

I find the balance of power quite refreshing.


Leto

[Hicks]

I'd define the winning alliance(s) is the one which was seen as dominant throughout the universe at the end of the round therefore:

R1 - Concordium (Despite not holding the 1st, 2nd or 3rd [They definatly didn't have 1 or 2 but I'm unsure of 3] galaxies)
R2 - Legion / Fury (Fury having the better of the galaxy ranks but Legion having better planet ranks)
R3 - Legion / Fury (Though you could argue Fury / Wolfpack)
R4 - VeX (Shambles)
R5 - Legion / Fury (Who the hell cared about the rest ?)
R6 - No winner (No one group was overly dominant)
R7 - Legion / Fury (Fury holding better galaxy and planet ranks but Legion still not being out of it)

But it's all about personal perspective no one will ever agree on who won several of the rounds. On the subject of this round I doubt there'll be a single alliance or group of alliances on top, it'll probably stay as it is at the moment with Fury, FaNG, Titans and LDK all being powerful but neither side over powering the other (Bordem of a different kind).

[hAl]

I'll pick it on single alliances !!!
To award a victory to a block sucks to much for me. Blocks produce winners but I will not call them winners.
These might not be all deserved winners (r6!) or debatable with an other alliance but they seemed the ones who came out on top for me in that round (though r1 is really not something I can judge myself)

R1 - Concordium
R2 - Legion
R3 - Fury
R4 - Xanadu
R5 - Fury
R6 - NoS
R7 - Fury

hAl

[gzambo]

dont think fury will win rd 8 by themselves, but i expect them to be close
but as far as i can see in a random universe the only way to determine which alliance wins is for them to use the tagging system in-game.
while a lot of alliances dont like using it i cant see why they cant use it for the last couple of days once the end of game is announced, and it sure would be nice to see how all the differant alliances are doing against each other

[K-W]

This round will either continue as it is till the end, in which case at the last few days will be filled with massive assualts on all the top players and when the smoke clears whoever managed to keep the top planet will call themselves the winners and everyone else will just whine about how actually they are the winnners. In this case, impossible to predict who would take the #1 spot really.

Or, one block will start to win, we will see some stagnation, maybe an inter block war, probably not, and one block will win with the alliances in it arguing over who was better, maybe some sneaky things to get one planet on top. Id call this the Titans/LDK scenario, as they are the most likely for this to happen to them. Wed probably see an LDK planet win the round, but titans running around the forums declaring victory.

Or, One alliance will, towards the end, manage to pull away from the pack, and get a significantly strong enough position to hold on for a win. This id call the Fury scenario. Since Fury is the most likely alliance to do such a thing.


I think all three of those options are about equally likely atm. So lets give Fury 40% chance, and LDK/Titans a 40% chance, and 20% split with virus/rah/fang

[Cicada]

Originally posted by K-W
...but titans running around the forums declaring victory.

you got that one right bucko

[mens]

Originally posted by hAl
R6 - NoS

NoS??
Really?

[Faberius]

Originally posted by Hicks

R6 - No winner (No one group was overly dominant)

I'd say NoS/WP being the most dominent group. I'm betting there is still a penchant for refusing to admit that FoS won because it was so big and unruly, so I'll gladly scale it back to NoS/WP.

But it was laughable to assume that either Xeta or FLTV had enough strength left for you to say that FoS was deprived of all victory.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by ado


*sigh* need I make a answer to this question or does everyone already know what I considered as a reply.

To say fury have no relations is like saying IRAQ dosnt have a nuclear weapons program.

Officially both are true ey ?

maybe if you for once give them (Fury) some PROOF ...

but up to this day, nobody managed to get 100% proof of Fury having any ties or the so called ally with FAnG etc

rgds Kj

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Kileman
An LDK planet will win.

A Fury planet will finish #2.

doubt it kile

rgds Kj

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by ado


That was more like its ugly stepsister.... no no I was mistaken I mean this rounds "pet" then.. hows that ?

Ugly? You are so clueless for someone in such a high position - you cant even give due for something that was good. And pet? Dont make me laugh, Wrath functioned as is and was not a slave to Fury (Although its objectives were to support Fury - this is where Wrath being a slave to Fury would NOT have achieved the primary objective. Boo hoo for you again eh Mr Titan)

As for this rounds pet, Im not aware we have any - perhaps you should consult with your own zoo of rare specimens, including the Honorous Loyaltus, the bot controlled security system and the Virius Bitterus to think over what you intend to post before posting.

It makes me giggle to see all the Furies trying to save face for their r2 "accomplishments," in light of what Legion had done, and could have done to them at that point.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by K-W

Or, One alliance will, towards the end, manage to pull away from the pack, and get a significantly strong enough position to hold on for a win. This id call the Fury scenario. Since Fury is the most likely alliance to do such a thing.


I think all three of those options are about equally likely atm. So lets give Fury 40% chance, and LDK/Titans a 40% chance, and 20% split with virus/rah/fang

mmm, soz germ but I cannot really agree to this vision

for instance, what makes you state that Fury would be the alliance who'll manage to pull away?

also, what justifies your so called 20% to the flak (including fang)?
now don't shoot me or anything, but I don't think any of the top alliances (fury, ldk, titans or FAnG + maybe others) have any superiority towards others "YET".

nway, the end will tell us more ...

rgds Kj

[Kjeldoran]

(fury, ldk, titans or FAnG + maybe others)

BEFORE someone will quote it out of context

I meant Fury, LDK, Titans, FAnG, and maybe other alliances that call themselves top

rgds Kj

[BOB_LOST]

Originally posted by hAl
I'll pick it on single alliances !!!
To award a victory to a block sucks to much for me. Blocks produce winners but I will not call them winners.
These might not be all deserved winners (r6!) or debatable with an other alliance but they seemed the ones who came out on top for me in that round (though r1 is really not something I can judge myself)

R1 - Concordium
R2 - Legion
R3 - Fury
R4 - Xanadu
R5 - Fury
R6 - NoS
R7 - Fury

hAl

omfg i can not belive u think fury had any hope of even seeing a a chance of wining rnd 5 legion held the top 3 galxeys and the top players and most of the top 10 was legion controled if that aint wining i dont know what is

[Kileman]

1-5 Legion
5-200 Fury

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[BOB_LOST]

Originally posted by Kileman
1-5 Legion
5-200 Fury

think about what u are saying the the closeest top galxey rnd 5 was sid's which was #4 other than that it was a legion uni rnd 5

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Dragoon
It makes me giggle to see all the Furies trying to save face for their r2 "accomplishments," in light of what Legion had done, and could have done to them at that point.

no saving face about it - you have your slanted perspective - we have our rather more accurate picture.

[Gayle29uk]

Can I just interject here and say that I won't win round 8. Hopefully that should narrow things down a bit for you

[HobbieRogue4]

So far, Hicks has come closest to an accurate summary of alliance rankings.

Still, I'm having a laughing fit over people trying to deduce singular winners out of Rounds 6 and 7, heh. Whereas everyone can safely say "Oh, Round 4 was won by VeX" (a block) people seem to be incapable of attributing the same sort of victory towards Round 5, 6 (as if), or 7 (heh).

Are some people touchy, or a bit too prideful?

[Axis_WLF]

I agree with hicks rankings as well.

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by Cryptic


no saving face about it - you have your slanted perspective - we have our rather more accurate picture.

It's astounding to think that Cryptic might actually believe that the first part of his statement actually differs in any way from the second part of his statement. To me it appears as a less than eloquently phrased redundancy...

lol...


Leto

[Duke Leto]

Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
So far, Hicks has come closest to an accurate summary of alliance rankings.

Still, I'm having a laughing fit over people trying to deduce singular winners out of Rounds 6 and 7, heh. Whereas everyone can safely say "Oh, Round 4 was won by VeX" (a block) people seem to be incapable of attributing the same sort of victory towards Round 5, 6 (as if), or 7 (heh).

Are some people touchy, or a bit too prideful?

I agree, hicks expounds a bit more on my earlier postulation, and is the best surmisal so far... yet is still far from gospel.

: )


Leto

[Eol]

Originally posted by hAl

R5 - Fury

I am personally of the opinion that the only real way to judge a 'winner' on a singular basis is to award the title to those who are on the top. Top galaxies and top planets. It is obvious that those 'moral' winners we get each round either did not have the will or the power to topple the alliance that actually finished #1.