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Unread 13 Jun 2006, 14:11   #101
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Or you could get the PA crew to change the rules mid game, whatever is convinient for you...
Or break up a alliance after a minor debate where one of the parties leaves in tears. Up to you, buddy. Your complaint rights are revoked
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SO: piss off, go play havoc or if you dont like it that you could be caught for your cheating, dont play.
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Re: In todays news......

JBG - you do sign up an account for EULA for a main round of PA. People very rarely start up later than 1-2 weeks into a round because its a waste of money.

Once the round ends the obligations of EULA are I would say irrelevant. The period of the round is the length of the contract. HAVOC is as others already pointed out a freebie on the end of the round.

Now I do not condone tossers that cheat, but you have 2 elements to this. Firstly the PA Team have worked hard all round and everyone deserves a rest. Lokken mentioned that in previous rounds those that have yelled multi at PA Team have been laughed away. This is a common thing. So if enforcement wasn't done before why now? Hence why I asked if it was sour grapes.

Even if someone is playing seriously, they should still be able to do well, but people I think need to remember why HAVOC was introduced and encouraged to play it like it was meant to be played.

People should use it as a revenge period rather than a ranking period. At the end of the day there is no prize, there is nly 10-20% of the players. Its a nothing period so people may as well do what it says on the can and have some fun.
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Once the round ends the obligations of EULA are I would say irrelevant.
I could say the capital of China is New York but that doesn't make it so.
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Once the round ends the obligations of EULA are I would say irrelevant.
Your planet hardly disappears as soon as the round 'ends', does it? The EULA continues to apply - in fact, there's no mention of the round end in the EULA (having just read through it myself).

If you cheat, you get closed. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?!!
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Your planet hardly disappears as soon as the round 'ends', does it? The EULA continues to apply - in fact, there's no mention of the round end in the EULA (having just read through it myself).

If you cheat, you get closed. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?!!

All contracts are limited by the duration. In this case round end is the official end with an official ceremony. Anything after that date would be dubious to enforce hence my use of the wording "contract cessation" earlier.

As for cheating I do not condone it, but havoc is just a bit of fun. WHAT DO YOU NOT COMPREHEND ABOUT THAT?
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I could say the capital of China is New York but that doesn't make it so.
Yeah I am sure you would, but legality and points of this nature are arguable because we can. Cessation of a contract is a common littigation piece for companies unless a contract is timestamped or limited in quantity.

Unfortunately not quite sure how your argument for new york in china can hold weight when its physically impossible :P
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All contracts are limited by the duration.
Not necessarily correct, but it does hold true in this case.


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In this case round end is the official end with an official ceremony. Anything after that date would be dubious to enforce hence my use of the wording "contract cessation" earlier.
No. The contract lasts for the duration of your planet - which includes havoc. You would be closed for posting pornography in havoc, so you can equally be closed for account-sharing.

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As for cheating I do not condone it, but havoc is just a bit of fun. WHAT DO YOU NOT COMPREHEND ABOUT THAT?
Cheating should never be acceptable, whether it's to save someone from a fleetcatch or to give them an advantage in havoc. Cheating is cheating.


<Zeus> If the alliances/community can for once stop accepting it happens and change the mindset that cheating is OK within their ranks, then perhaps that would be a small step in the right direction.
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JBG - you do sign up an account for EULA for a main round of PA. People very rarely start up later than 1-2 weeks into a round because its a waste of money.
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Once the round ends the obligations of EULA are I would say irrelevant. The period of the round is the length of the contract. HAVOC is as others already pointed out a freebie on the end of the round.
Actually technically no one knows when the contract has come to an end, so technically 6 years would be standard. However, as people generally accept the contract comes to an end at some point, either the end of the round or havoc at the latest there's little point in debating whether contracts from rounds gone by apply. But it is when the contract ends precisely that is key and this I don't believe you've addressed properly.

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Now I do not condone tossers that cheat, but you have 2 elements to this. Firstly the PA Team have worked hard all round and everyone deserves a rest. Lokken mentioned that in previous rounds those that have yelled multi at PA Team have been laughed away. This is a common thing. So if enforcement wasn't done before why now? Hence why I asked if it was sour grapes.
This would infer that people have commonly waived their contractual rights when the round ends and infact, this is the way it always has been. From the start PA team have been crystal clear that this is a free period given by them to the players to mess around in.

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Even if someone is playing seriously, they should still be able to do well, but people I think need to remember why HAVOC was introduced and encouraged to play it like it was meant to be played.

People should use it as a revenge period rather than a ranking period. At the end of the day there is no prize, there is nly 10-20% of the players. Its a nothing period so people may as well do what it says on the can and have some fun.
I agree entirely, hence why I believe a contractual argument is pretty daft. Either players have waived their rights to put people on havoc previously and put PA on notice that they do want it or havoc is not incorporated into the contract at all. If it is (which I doubt), all PA would have to do is to write into their EULA something to the effect that any havoc period is offered for no consideration and that users should not expect any kind of full service from the creators. My advice as someone who is simply observing as a student is to write a better EULA simply to make it crystal clear what you are giving and what you aren't. Pedantry is fantastic in contracts to remove all doubt.

But really, my opinion is they are giving us a free period and aside from making the game run to show their goodwill, I don't think creators owe us anything. I don't think this is worrying them overly.
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Your planet hardly disappears as soon as the round 'ends', does it? The EULA continues to apply - in fact, there's no mention of the round end in the EULA (having just read through it myself).

If you cheat, you get closed. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO COMPREHEND?!!
Its havoc. Noone wanted you to make a competition out of it. Because it is not supposed to be one
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Its havoc. Noone wanted you to make a competition out of it. Because it is not supposed to be one
I accept your disagreement, but on a contractual basis I believe that it's covered under the EULA along with the 'real' round. Havoc may have been originally intended for fun, but there is an element of competition in it - just look at Bline, the havoc alliance that pops up every round.
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I accept your disagreement, but on a contractual basis I believe that it's covered under the EULA along with the 'real' round. Havoc may have been originally intended for fun, but there is an element of competition in it - just look at Bline, the havoc alliance that pops up every round.
Havoc is what its supposed to be, big fleets, big everything, no rules, all fun.

If there is a element of competition in havoc it is put there by those who play, and they should accept it as what it is, carnage.

If we have come to a point where there cant be one safe haven.. then I really do pity us all.
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I accept your disagreement, but on a contractual basis I believe that it's covered under the EULA along with the 'real' round. Havoc may have been originally intended for fun, but there is an element of competition in it - just look at Bline, the havoc alliance that pops up every round.
go back to your textbooks and read up on course of dealing.

every round, no one has made any expression whatsoever that havoc should change in any way. While it's not express, there's almost certainly an implication that pa team don't have to do anything and all this thread amounts to is simply notice that things might have to change.

And they can rewrite the eula to exclude havoc.
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I accept your disagreement, but on a contractual basis I believe that it's covered under the EULA along with the 'real' round. Havoc may have been originally intended for fun, but there is an element of competition in it - just look at Bline, the havoc alliance that pops up every round.
I don't see anything competitive about Bline. It has no competition as a havoc alliance and by uniting so many of the few active havoc players under a tag it severely limits thier ability to compete with each other. As far as I can tell the point of bline is to ensure that its members can roid inactives in relative peace.

Regardless, some people take havoc seriously, that is thier perogative, but that doesnt change the fact that fundementally, havoc is not serious. It doesnt bother me so much that MH's were active, what bothers me is this idea that we have to play along with the people who take havoc seriously even though is is obvious that havoc is a fundementally uncompetitive, unofficial, play-around time after a round.

If havoc is to be a serious speed-round, make it a serious speed-round, if not, then dont be afraid to tell people who take it seriously "Its cool that your taking this seriously, but it is just an unofficial havoc round."
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If havoc is to be a serious speed-round, make it a serious speed-round, if not, then dont be afraid to tell people who take it seriously "Its cool that your taking this seriously, but it is just an unofficial havoc round."
what would that make havoc when you have an inbetween filler round?

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1) Actually technically no one knows when the contract has come to an end, so technically 6 years would be standard. However, as people generally accept the contract comes to an end at some point, either the end of the round or havoc at the latest there's little point in debating whether contracts from rounds gone by apply. But it is when the contract ends precisely that is key and this I don't believe you've addressed properly.


2) I agree entirely.
First off I never mentioned EULA to begin with - its all the other drongo's exacerbating things and attempting to make things seem "legal".

1) I agree that the contract end is key. Firstly any liability from any round as you state would be 6 years, but here we are looking at the legal duration which the rules of the EULA are accepted as the T & C's of the contract, not necessarily the Legal Financial Obligations which the contract maker must abide by for legal actions.

Some even put in contracts how soon after the physical contract ends they must be made aware of problems so that they can limit there own liability but this is by the by.

So when does the EULA end? The argument for me is that the EULA is designed and supported throughout the main round until the round end (final ceremony). This is the period the EULA rightly covers. HAVOC is a free period not bound by the normal T & C's of the contract, As you rightly point out it has been highly documented that this is a FREE period and FREE of the general constrictions of a normal round. Legally if any of the dweeb brigade did start shouting EULA I doubt it would be taken too seriously, but just tried to point out that what they say doesn't hold water. I am not a lawyer, just an accountant who has to deal with legal points so while I may not have explained myself 100% I think I did it adequately for here

2) I might add that into my sig - ground breaking week - I agree with K-W and you agree with me - I need a drink! ;D
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Nonsense, the EULA is directed towards an ACCOUNT, not a ROUND.
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Its havoc dude. Whats wrong with you?
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"Amagad Idler is ch3at1ng"

On a serious note, I do think havoc should be all about fun and choas. I'm not sure what you all think of 'not following the rules' but ofcource havoc should be about 'fun' with mass Zikonian ships mostly excisting of (for example) terran ships and stuff. But accountsharing is another subject imo.

But anyways, if you look back at the last 18 or 19 (0.5) rounds I dont think anyone has ever been closed during havoc...so why make such a fuss about it.
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Ohh wait, its HAVOC and no one cares.
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Read lokkens posts as well as mine.

As for me cheating no one gets my account in proper rounds or in havoc. So i am affraid its not my cheating.

The other part is what i am more concerned at and probably what your reply hits upon - and that is its havoc and how serious it should be taken. and whether the EULA covers havoc.

Your right EULA does cover an account for the duration of the round - but this is not part of the round - its a freebie given at the end of the round after round closure.

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With half the people arguing about how things are covered in the EULA, and the other half arguing it's havoc so regardless of whether or not everything is covered in the EULA cause nobody really cares this will be an endless debate.

Cheating is wrong, be it in the normal round, or be it in the havoc round. In the normal round (the part people paid for (note, I'm assuming that havoc is free therefore not included) ) cheating should, and hopefully will result in closure of the account. Whether or not I'd play a havoc round for fun, I'd still be mildly annoyed by people cheating (mind you I don't play and I have no idea what ' cheating ' has actually happened, shades of grey apply here aswell), but wouldn't go as far as wanting to see them closed.

I'd say that if you insist on enforcing the rules in the havoc round, for the sake of gameplay of others who feel cheating limits their fun, therefore the main goal of the havoc round, simply penalise the account cheating, but closure seems a bit unnecesarry. It's not like you're closing people in havoc for shipfarming I pray?
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On a serious note, I do think havoc should be all about fun and choas. I'm not sure what you all think of 'not following the rules' but ofcource havoc should be about 'fun' with mass Zikonian ships mostly excisting of (for example) terran ships and stuff. But accountsharing is another subject imo.

But anyways, if you look back at the last 18 or 19 (0.5) rounds I dont think anyone has ever been closed during havoc...so why make such a fuss about it.
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yes people have been closed in havoc every round because of cheating but hay if you aint zik havoc aint fun anyways so just stop havoc
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havoc is supposed to be played by the rules .. many dont .. most dont get caught... some do...

excrement happens ...

why this is an AD discussion is a little beyond me :-)
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Im suprised the debate on this is still going on. As my time as a MH i would of closed people abusing the rules in Havoc. I admit perhaps i wasnt as like 'oh my god i gotta hunt every 5 mins to catch these gits' in the havoc period, as ofc its obvious people cheat in it. But if somone was reported or i did find anyone while hunting during havoc i would close/take action against them. The rules dont expire just becuase the 'round' ends. The only time this game officaly 'ends' is of course when the game is closed and everything is re-set.
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Im suprised the debate on this is still going on. As my time as a MH i would of closed people abusing the rules in Havoc. I admit perhaps i wasnt as like 'oh my god i gotta hunt every 5 mins to catch these gits' in the havoc period, as ofc its obvious people cheat in it. But if somone was reported or i did find anyone while hunting during havoc i would close/take action against them. The rules dont expire just becuase the 'round' ends. The only time this game officaly 'ends' is of course when the game is closed and everything is re-set.
Well the point i've been trying to make is that you don't have to do anything during havoc. You are not obligated in any sense of the word. What I've been saying (and what you seem to agree with) is that there's no reason whatsoever for you to fully enforce the rules once the round ends and (because it is a free period) no reason for players to expect you to do so.
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The only time this game officaly 'ends' is of course when the game is closed and everything is re-set.
The official round ends at the end of the round ceremony. The final rankings are taken, the round is officially declared over. It wouldnt be havoc if it was official, it would be a speed round. The entire point of havoc is to give people time to play around when the rankings dont matter.

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If havoc were official, it would be a scandal that MH's didnt aggressively stop cheating during it.
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The official round ends at the end of the round ceremony. The final rankings are taken, the round is officially declared over. It wouldnt be havoc if it was official, it would be a speed round. The entire point of havoc is to give people time to play around when the rankings dont matter.



If havoc were official, it would be a scandal that MH's didnt aggressively stop cheating during it.

The 'offical' round correct. Although, what people are pointing out the actual game isnt over. If it was, then you wouldnt be given a havoc, the game would just be closed. So, as the EULA doesnt actually say 'this only counts till final rankings take place' then it will still stand as long as the current round/game is still active. No matter if its havoc or the actual game.
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The 'offical' round correct. Although, what people are pointing out the actual game isnt over. If it was, then you wouldnt be given a havoc, the game would just be closed. So, as the EULA doesnt actually say 'this only counts till final rankings take place' then it will still stand as long as the current round/game is still active. No matter if its havoc or the actual game.
Not really

The EULA is there until there is an official "end time". After that Jolt and PATeam can do what they wish. The fact that only a minority play on prooves that the round has ended. EULA then becomes "grey / not enforceable" (ticks are stopped, end of round ceremony etc etc etc).

The game is only restarted because it is less work than resetting and less effort for the players. Its a bit of fun with everyone on a fairly level playing field.

However it should be a time and always has been historically a time where PA team rest and where people have a bit of fun. The game does continue, but has no point in a ranking sense. As soon as people start playing "seriously" the point of havoc is lost.

I agree that blatant cheating should be punished. But with so few players and most playing it in the spirit of what havoc is, what is the point in deletion?

If they cheat catch them in the main round. That is what people pay there money for and what most want cheating erradicated from. Havoc deletion just ends up with people laughing at the situation.
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Does anyone actually have an objection to people being deleted during havoc or is it just "I couldn't be bothered with it, neither should you"?
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The EULA is there until there is an official "end time".
When you sign up you agree to abide by the EULA for the duration your account exists for - therfore the MH team can still close people if they so wish.

Its also worth pointing out that havoc is a pretty good time to train new MH team members when the effects of making a mistake are less significant.

So if someone cheats in havoc they should still expect to be closed - the difference is that its havoc so they might not care if they are closed.
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havoc is supposed to be played by the rules .. many dont .. most dont get caught... some do...

Since when the flying **** did ANYONE sit down and agree that havoc is supposed to abide by the rules of anything but complete and utter carnage? Can you tell me, because I wasnt invited to the jamboree with your hippy friends.

I cheat during havoc. I have 4 accounts actually.

Why do you say? Because I dont really care about havoc, and anyone who actually does need a ****ing reality check.

Ban thread starter, close topic, lets move along
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I have no objection.

But I don't see that PA team have to bother to do anything in particular and go out of their way to provide any customer service, because it's a period given for 'free' and any obligation by them to do anything under the contract has probably pretty much ended by the time the round ends proper.
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I think its a case of Why should you be bothered with it. I don't hold what Kal says to be correct, but I do see his point about training new MH's.

I just wonder if its worth closing the accounts they find....
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To make it nicer for people playing havoc presumably.
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Its havoc dude. Whats wrong with you?
^^ my sentiments exactly ^^
I guess most people are yet to realize what havoc really really really is.

Its not a part of playing PA, for most. Thats 1.

2. Havok is just created for people to have fun. If you really really want me to say it, then those of a lower skill feel more... important... i guess...

What we should do is stop endless bickering about our own comprehencion of elaborate but unclear EULA.

Ask yourself, given all the info bout Havoc, all the people's oppinions about it at least, what should really be the right thing to do ? I dont really play havoc. I, personally, dont care if a single person controls every single planet involved in havoc. I treat it as a huge sandbox with cool toys given by admins to everyone, but targeted those who fail to get one of those sandboxes during the round. So let them cheat. who cares. what are they gonna accomplish by cheating ? they say "ooo... i am #1 planet during havoc ?!" Its like me braggin about winning a round of beta =/
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a) So what ? i wonder if it should be allowed to cheat during Havoc as a standard practice, now... (and that would make "cheating" an oxymoron. Hence it really would not be "cheating". About EULA's duration... U click "accept terms yada yada" every time you sign up, so, unless there is a special clause in EULA about Havoc, you should be bound to it as long as your acct is active (untill next signups) So, eventho i think it was "wrong" to close cheaters during Havoc, it was, indeed, lawfull. But "Right" and "Lawfull" is usulally if not diametrically opposite, then at least take up completly different positions.
During the regular round, i would fight tooth and nail for closure of anyone breaking rules. Havoc is for people to have fun. if some deragotary element of the comunity has fun "Multying" then... well... who cares, really... your havok got ruined, :crymeariver: :crymeariver: :crymeariver: :crymeariver: :crymeariver: < Cry me a river....

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Indeed, and to prevent :crymeariver: the multihunters close people! I don't think any system which basically says "**** you, we don't give a shit" promotes "good vibrations" in the long-term.

Since its havoc, you dont reckon it would be appropriate to inform people that they would monitor the entire "**** you" scheme that havoc evolves around.

I do. And this ****ing better be your opinion aswell
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I think you're both rather missing the point. The rules were originally implemented to make it fair because otherwise it wasn't fun. If it's all supposed to be about fun then why shouldn't people who cheat be closed during havoc if havoc, similarly to the main game, is supposed to be about fun?

This "who cares?" attitude is really ****ing pathetic. I could go around saying "I don't care" and banning people on the forums and ask "who cares it's just the internet" when people complain but I don't do that because it's a shit argument that can be used to support anything (example, if the attitude "who cares if your havoc gets ruined" is acceptable then don't complain if your accounts are closed because "who cares?")
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I think you're both rather missing the point. The rules were originally implemented to make it fair because otherwise it wasn't fun. If it's all supposed to be about fun then why shouldn't people who cheat be closed during havoc if havoc, similarly to the main game, is supposed to be about fun?

This "who cares?" attitude is really ****ing pathetic. I could go around saying "I don't care" and banning people on the forums and ask "who cares it's just the internet" when people complain but I don't do that because it's a shit argument that can be used to support anything (example, if the attitude "who cares if your havoc gets ruined" is acceptable then don't complain if your accounts are closed because "who cares?")
I havent been closed. I just argue the fact that you even have a opinion on havoc..

never the less, why the **** do I have one.. oh just screw it
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The you was general, directed towards anyone who cheated in havoc.

I don't play havoc myself, I haven't bothered logging in since about 8 ticks before the round ended, but you can still have an opinion on an issue which doesn't directly concern you.
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tbh, i would care less about my planet being closed for havok. I built some ships to def my galmates who asked for it, and had no pods or anything of a kind (crashed my ships into 10:9 right before round ended). I logged in maybe twice to say bye to everyone. I could have done without it and would be just fine. Thats the point of Havoc. ure supposed to not care. Just click around and see what happens
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This "who cares?" attitude is really ****ing pathetic. I could go around saying "I don't care" and banning people on the forums and ask "who cares it's just the internet" when people complain but I don't do that because it's a shit argument that can be used to support anything (example, if the attitude "who cares if your havoc gets ruined" is acceptable then don't complain if your accounts are closed because "who cares?")
The rules are important because they ensure competitiveness. This is vital in an official round where the rankings matter, it is much less so in havoc.

"Who cares its havoc" is not an argument that can be used for anything, it is an argument that can only be used regarding Planetarion Havoc and is based on the unique features of havoc. Havoc rankings dont matter. There is no genuine competition in havoc, so the need to ensure fair play is largely removed.

Whos havoc is being ruined btw? Donations or not, oversized ziks are still going to try and steal your ships.
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well my personal fleet consisted of 3k mantis, 3500 roaches, about 5k BWs and 2300 scorpions. Nothing else. I havent had a single brep after i logged in when tiicks stopped. (and not liek those BWs couldnt be outflakked). And i figgured caths would be the yummiest target for any given Zik =/
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