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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 13:01   #1
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In todays news......

wtg multi team in the worst case ever of closing the door after the horse got out and closing ppl during havoc....nice one

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Re: In todays news......

Is there some elaborate explanation to this or is this just something you share to to make sure people who are out of the loop realise that they actually aren't in the loop and then go all confused like me?

Because I have actually no idea whatsoever what you are on about. I am assuming a lot of people were closed since this warrants a topic on AD?
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Re: In todays news......

Maybe this is why 1up have opened up a recruitment thread?
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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 13:13   #4
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Re: In todays news......

well cheating in havoc is erm hehe too much really gg

but there is mostly a 1up problem atm
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Re: In todays news......

nope, just heard a lot of Ziks got closed... and started the topic for some mid round humor mostly actually not my intention to flame the admin gang, just bored, and thought maybe someone could shed some light on the events
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Is there some elaborate explanation to this or is this just something you share to to make sure people who are out of the loop realise that they actually aren't in the loop and then go all confused like me?
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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 14:14   #7
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well cheating in havoc is erm hehe too much really gg

but there is mostly a 1up problem atm
got any hard evidence? Or must one flag the vnc boat again
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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 15:04   #8
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got any hard evidence? Or must one flag the vnc boat again
m8 why am i not suprised you posted that?

it have nothing to do with vnc this time, you guys use it too much in the real rounds anyway
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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 15:05   #9
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..and started the topic for some mid round humor mostly
Dude the round finished days ago! I think you need some well earned sleep!
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Or must one flag the vnc boat again
Arrr, let us raise the flag again and go get those bastards, shiver me timbers!
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m8 why am i not suprised you posted that?

it have nothing to do with vnc this time, you guys use it too much in the real rounds anyway
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Unread 12 Jun 2006, 15:14   #12
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Dude the round finished days ago! I think you need some well earned sleep!

I got plenty of sleep during the round according to my planet score :/
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m8 why am i not suprised you posted that?

it have nothing to do with vnc this time, you guys use it too much in the real rounds anyway
Try answering the question instead of getting hit in the face by the argument-merry-go-around.
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Try answering the question instead of getting hit in the face by the argument-merry-go-around.

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Re: In todays news......

Who plays havoc anyway??

Not me :P I got owned by Ziw. Oh the shame :/
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Muha, eXilition har arrosen..... err... arisen? arrised? Whats the right word?
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Somebodies taking havoc far too seriously.
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Re: In todays news......

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wtg multi team in the worst case ever of closing the door after the horse got out and closing ppl during havoc....nice one

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Some people take havoc seriously. You can't bitch at us for closing people when you all had a spaz at the admin last round for giving ourselves huge fleets and actually having some fun.

Therefor we take it as seriously and will treat it as a normal round. Get over it.
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I think it's so cute the way you come on here to stir crap up, Ducky. But what makes it the worst case ever? Is it because it happened to Sid? Do you need some lipbalm for those chapped lips?
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i think an admin abusing his rights is a bit different to a tosser taking over 10 accounts to support himself because the said alliance mates are too tired or fed up to be arsed to do anything.

Sour grapes on the admin side perhaps?
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i think an admin abusing his rights is a bit different to a tosser taking over 10 accounts to support himself because the said alliance mates are too tired or fed up to be arsed to do anything.

Sour grapes on the admin side perhaps?
Admin abuse?

The accounts were closed for fleet donations. The decision made by this particular MH was the right one and I support. Some of the accounts have been reopened but with a stern warning.
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I absoultly LOVE it when people come whining about Multihunters.

* There not doing this.
* Hes done that and nothings happened.
* Ive got news scans of this person so I want you to close him.

Some people REALLY need to understand what being a Multihunter is all about. We have to LEAVE our respective alliances and be impartial, wether dealing with IRC friends or people we've never met.

During Havoc the game is just running along as normal. Some people play it competitivly, others dont bother playing at all. Unfortunatly, Multihunters get much less time off (if any). If we decide to have some fun then we get slated by the community and if we decide to carry on multihunting, we get slated by the community (as evidenced by this thread).

PLEASE just take some time to think about the people who help to run / admin Planetarion - the Support Staff, Multihunters, Coders, PA Team. We do it for FREE so people can carry on enjoying playing the game.
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Some people take havoc seriously. You can't bitch at us for closing people when you all had a spaz at the admin last round for giving ourselves huge fleets and actually having some fun.

Therefor we take it as seriously and will treat it as a normal round. Get over it.

If you take havoc as seriously as the normal round, dont call it havoc and give prizes to the winner.

We shouldnt have a havoc if people are going to take it seriously.
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I absoultly LOVE it when people come whining about Multihunters.

* There not doing this.
* Hes done that and nothings happened.
* Ive got news scans of this person so I want you to close him.

Some people REALLY need to understand what being a Multihunter is all about. We have to LEAVE our respective alliances and be impartial, wether dealing with IRC friends or people we've never met.

During Havoc the game is just running along as normal. Some people play it competitivly, others dont bother playing at all. Unfortunatly, Multihunters get much less time off (if any). If we decide to have some fun then we get slated by the community and if we decide to carry on multihunting, we get slated by the community (as evidenced by this thread).

PLEASE just take some time to think about the people who help to run / admin Planetarion - the Support Staff, Multihunters, Coders, PA Team. We do it for FREE so people can carry on enjoying playing the game.
Couldn't have put it much better. When we deal with accounts / problems we have to look at them as a blank account and be impartial.

If you want havoc to be care and rule free, then give up and take back all your bitching from when we admin ourselves a decent fleet so we can actually play ourselves. We spend a round getting bashed into the floor. Give us a chance. Since this however is not what the compunity seemed to want, we continue to take it totally seriously.

Your lose if you now consider it to be biting you in the arse.
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During Havoc the game is just running along as normal.
So the resource and roid donations and 15 min ticks are normal? The fact that the rankings dont count for anything is normal?

If havoc is the game running as normal it isnt havoc. The whole point of havoc is that the normal round is over and you can just goof off and crash ships etc.
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So the resource and roid donations and 15 min ticks are normal? The fact that the rankings dont count for anything is normal?

If havoc is the game running as normal it isnt havoc. The whole point of havoc is that the normal round is over and you can just goof off and crash ships etc.
By "normal" he means that the EULA still applies.
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i know the PA team spend a lot of time doing things for the game and themselves, Its a bit pretentious to say the admin team do it all for you. Truly some of the work they undertake is in the interests of community, but generally its to be part of the team or game some experience relevant to a career they are interested in.

However whereever game admining conflicts with someone elses enjoyment you are bound to get conflict. And if you don't want it get out of the way simple as,.....

And Marv I am sure you do support the MH's decision, I however don't think you can play seriously in havoc, though i am sure some dweebs with no life will argue I am wrong.

I do think in havoc closing accounts is pretty pointless. Wrist slaps and penalisation i am sure is a better way to deal with things.
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By "normal" he means that the EULA still applies.
Then he should have said that.

My point still stands, the idea of taking havoc seriously is completely at odds with the idea of havoc in the first place.
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So the resource and roid donations and 15 min ticks are normal? The fact that the rankings dont count for anything is normal?

If havoc is the game running as normal it isnt havoc. The whole point of havoc is that the normal round is over and you can just goof off and crash ships etc.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ WHAT I POST!!!!!!

Havoc is either considered to be :

NOT normal, played by a few people, much lower proportion of the user base

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Played normally, played by a few people who are concerned about people who are cheating.

At the end of the day if we take a lazy eye due to people having some fun and we have some fun the community has a go at it.

If we admin it normally then idiots like you try to rip us a part.

Or do you need a diagram???
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Or do you need a diagram???
He might find one handy
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD READ WHAT I POST!!!!!!

Havoc is either considered to be :

NOT normal, played by a few people, much lower proportion of the user base

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Played normally, played by a few people who are concerned about people who are cheating.

At the end of the day if we take a lazy eye due to people having some fun and we have some fun the community has a go at it.

If we admin it normally then idiots like you try to rip us a part.

Or do you need a diagram???
Havoc is NEVER considered playing normally. Thats why it has a special name, "havoc".

People can choose to play havoc seriously and care about thier ranks, this does not mean that suddenly havoc has become part of the normal round.

If you want havoc to be part of the normal round, make it a part of the normal round, but the entire point of havoc is having ticks when the game is over for people to goof off.
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We shouldnt have a havoc if people are going to take it seriously.
This quote is 100% correct and true. Havoc always was meant as a time where the weener whiner planets could get revenge on its big bad alliances who had pummelled them all round.

Havoc never was designed to be serious. Havoc was meant as a bit of fun to put everyone on a level par.

If people are playing seriously they need deleting!

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Havoc is NEVER considered playing normally. Thats why it has a special name, "havoc".

People can choose to play havoc seriously and care about thier ranks, this does not mean that suddenly havoc has become part of the normal round.

If you want havoc to be part of the normal round, make it a part of the normal round, but the entire point of havoc is having ticks when the game is over for people to goof off.

I think you better talk to Mr aNgRyDuCk then
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People can choose to play havoc seriously and care about thier ranks, this does not mean that suddenly havoc has become part of the normal round.
If even just 1 person chooses to play it seriously. Then we admin it seriously. Thats how it goes.
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Read the OP in relation to what you have been saying :-)
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He's so upset because people decide to play properly and then some people cheat. So if theres even just one person (even a lawyer) then we have to admin it properly.
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If even just 1 person chooses to play it seriously. Then we admin it seriously. Thats how it goes.
Quote of the century.

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If even just 1 person chooses to play it seriously. Then we admin it seriously. Thats how it goes.
PA team announces that the round is over and the FINAL rankings have been taken, announces that there will be a special 'havoc' round that doesnt count where people are given huge donations so everyone has a giant planet. And just because someone chooses to care about the meaningless rankings of havoc it means that suddenly its a serious round?
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Quote of the century.

So now the mighty voiced majorities of 1 rule the game. Wicked!
Because we have a responsibility to the game and if people dont like having fun then no-one else can have fun.

Its hard but unfortunatly thats how things go
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Read the OP in relation to what you have been saying :-)
Angryduck is laughing at the multihunters for enforcing rules after the round, where the rules matter, is already over.

I agree with him.

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He's so upset because people decide to play properly and then some people cheat. So if theres even just one person (even a lawyer) then we have to admin it properly.
No you dont have to. Of course you dont have to. The sensible response to that one person is:

"The official round is over, havoc does not count towards the final standings and exists only for the purposes of amusement. PA team including the multihunters are taking this opportunity for much deserved rest and needed planning."
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He's so upset because people decide to play properly and then some people cheat. So if theres even just one person (even a lawyer) then we have to admin it properly.
I would say that the real round what you are saying is justified and rightly so. In Havoc it actually goes against the whole ethos of what you say. Some people can't be arsed to play so someone else uses it for fun. I know some probably get trashed by doing it this way, but thats part of the fun isn't it? Waking up realising your planet is trashed and rebuilding.

As for the person who is cheating - penalise them and let them play on. No real harm done afterall it is only H_A_V_O_C.
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Because we have a responsibility to the game and if people dont like having fun then no-one else can have fun.

Its hard but unfortunatly thats how things go
You have a responsibility to act like that during the round. In Havoc a time of fun and not so serious playing why not admin with a bit of flexibility?
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So if its fun and we can all have a laugh, why were the people in 1:1 had a go at by the community by increasing there fleets?

If its a time of fun and not so serious playing, why not a community with a bit of flexibility?
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Admins have delusions of grandure. They are supporting the idea that they speak for the masses (1?) and because they are playing seriously (1 player?) everyone should....

At least thats what I think they are saying.....
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So if its fun and we can all have a laugh, why were the people in 1:1 had a go at by the community by increasing there fleets?

If its a time of fun and not so serious playing, why not a community with a bit of flexibility?
As I remember it was a couple of admin who gave themselves stupidly large fleets and crashed a few planets. If it had been a several admin planets attacking withn the alotted resources of the game I doubt anyone would have given a toss to be perfectly honest.

I have plenty of flexibility - just when bad decisions are made people will always have an opinion. You are in your admin greenhouse. If you don't want people to throw stones shouldn't respond to the threads.

However I do think sometimes you need to take a step back with some of the decisions. Havoc is a period for being a prat. Most players spend 15-20 hours a day playing seriously during a normal round. Flexibility in decisions at times like that is what differentiates good admins from pisspotical ones.

Spinner did so many deals in his time as admin, but mostly the community liked and supported and appreciated his work. You should learn from this.....
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So if its fun and we can all have a laugh, why were the people in 1:1 had a go at by the community by increasing there fleets?

If its a time of fun and not so serious playing, why not a community with a bit of flexibility?

Well I wasnt around when this incident happened, but I can assure you that if I was I would have defended 1:1, regardless, I understand what you are saying, but if the PA community cant handle havoc, dont have havoc. Stop the game at the end of the round ceremony and be done with it.

I feel bad for the multihunters if they have to work during havoc, they shouldnt have to.
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Admins have delusions of grandure. They are supporting the idea that they speak for the masses (1?) and because they are playing seriously (1 player?) everyone should....

At least thats what I think they are saying.....
No dear, the idea is that there is a set of rules agreed upon that just because a few people feel it's a bit of fun cannot be broken.


And what are you talking about? People moaned at spinner from r1 to r10 and they're probably still ringing him up to moan at him for taking out thieves or getting rid of holoroids or downsizing the phoenix or not catching killmark earlier or for allowing r3 to go on so long or...
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Why is everyone making this so difficult

I have never seen as much whining about closures and Multihunters doing their job as in havoc, and especially now.

How is it possible that all those people complaining and bitching about havoc being fun and not serious, take this multihunting issue so serious. If you REALLY werent taking havoc serious, you would laugh about it.

Maybe you are so serious about it, because you are afraid some MH will catch you farming again. People who do not farm or cheat in any other way, have no reason to complain to begin with.

ITS SIMPLE:

THE EULA does not make a difference between a normal round and havoc. You sign the EULA for the ACCOUNT you create, not for the type of round, or type of game play.

SO: piss off, go play havoc or if you dont like it that you could be caught for your cheating, dont play.
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