1up's not-ingame members

[bwtmc]

Originally Posted by Paddy

Having organised raids on 1up before when they weren't expecting it I know just how quickly they can react. In previous rounds 1up have been able to change plans within a couple of hours and be retalliating incs within 2-3 ticks of heavy targetting. Ok in hindsight the lack of military officers would have made this very difficult for 1up to do but I still think they would have been hitting us within 6 ticks. 1up might not ruin a round in 6 hours but they can sure as hell ruin a night.

Forget hindsight, that was just a joke. I can't emphasise enough how pathetic it was for each alliance to put forward that the other attack before them and then not come to any conclusion.
Presumably, before approaching each other, the individuals representing both alliances considered that it was in both their, and ND/Omen's interest to attack. Surely at some point in these discussions, it should've dawned on someone, that the alliance making the original approach was to be BETTER OFF by cooperating than..

drafting an elaborate plan to, NOT attack the strongest alliance and instead backstab the only other alliance going for first. i.e the only other group with a clear reason to want to attack them. That's not even playing for second place any more.

Originally Posted by furball

Paddy, bwtmc summarises nicely. Omen have been 1up's only threat for over a week now. Any attack would have been on Omen - it would have made no sense to attack someone who isn't threatening you.

That's really not what I was saying.

Originally Posted by Lokken

bwtmc didn't summarise anything nicely - he misread Paddy's post.
There's only one issue I agree with bwtmc on: the whole idea of trust is shit.

I'm pretty sure that was the only point I was making.

Originally Posted by Synthetic_Sid

Paddy is 100% correct in his conclusion. If, for example, Omen and ND (or Insomnia) hit 1up at the time when that was on the cards then 1up would have 100% retaled on ND (or Insomnia) not Omen. I'm not sure he appreciates all of the reasons why, however.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_chicken

And of course, neither side can really afford to play.

It's good to give your weakest (the alliance that feels they have the least chance of winning and therefore benefiting from the attacks) opponent the biggest reason not to attack. Obviously, (unless it folds, something top alliances might instead decide to bank on) the stronger alliance is going to fight it out whether you send them incomings or not.

[Murador]

I can't agree with these ppl blaming ND and Insomnia for the 1up 1st spot. They just can't make allt he dirty work for omen while they just sit back and watch it eating some popcorn.

At that time the real and visible 1st spot were omen, everyone knew about 1up, sure, but if anyone wants it the most, that would be omen, to garantee its 1st place, so why didnt they make the first move?

I wouldnt in a billion years accept to do what Insomnia and ND were told to do, and I think they made it quite right.

The fact they bring 1up down would result to garantee omen a very better position than they had that time, and I don't think ND and Insomnia would like that

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by Paddy

A week or so ago ND were approached by Omen to hit 1up. By this stage Omen were a good 5-10mil score ahead of us and 5k or so roids ahead. ND were willing to help hit 1up as long as Omen started it, even if only 1 or 2 ticks before us.

I can show you logs were Gate refuses and says ND's sole goal at that moment should be to slaughter Omen 24/7. To add to that, I can show you logs were ReligFree, a day later, comes and asks us to coordinate with ND, giving his word on ND not attacking Omen meanwhile. I can show you defence relay logs, where, the night after talking with RF, ND sends a high amount of hostile fleets specifically targetted on Omens. You're full of strange "facts", Paddy.

edit.

Originally Posted by lokken

So one second, they wanted help and proof of trust. How does this build together for any kind of team building relationship. This is just shooting yourself in the foot.

Actually, at the point where the meeting was held, we were routing attacks on Insomnia, together with a certain alliance. The meeting at that point was no longer called for by us.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by lokken

All 3 alliances have lacked any kind of pro-activity and hence are all pretty much sunk. They're all equally guilty. This round has been defined by a lot of faffing about, missing the obvious and an utter lack of desire to do more or less anything. I can't say I'll be sorry to see it go, it's been absolutely dreadful to play and watch - at times i thought round 5 was better. Strangely the winners aren't to blame.

Is a pretty decent summary.

[Mek]

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

Actually, at the point where the meeting was held, we were routing attacks on Insomnia, together with a certain alliance. The meeting at that point was no longer called for by us.

so you would have attacked insomnia if we hd gone on 1up...is that what your saying? if you wouldnt have you would have gotten your flak too?

WTG Keizari

[rain]

[08:24] <rain> hello
[08:25] <Grog> hey
[08:25] <rain> i've been told you're in charge of politics in ND^^
[08:26] <Grog> thats right
[08:26] <rain> ok
[08:26] <rain> in or out?
[08:27] <Grog> well i think i'd need to know the proposition first
[08:27] <rain> ND
[08:27] <rain> in or out against 1up
[08:28] <Grog> its not that simple
[08:28] <rain> no
[08:28] <rain> it is that simple
[08:28] <rain> either you attack 1up or dont attack 1up
[08:28] <rain> thats how simple this is
[08:29] <Grog> well atm we'd count as undecided on that
[08:29] <Grog> we aren't avoiding 1up, but we aren't hitting them specifically either
[08:31] <rain> so you're ok with them winning the round without giving them a decent fight
[08:31] <Grog> well atm i can't see how its our fight
[08:31] <rain> likr you did awgainst omen and practicall crippled both ND and omen
[08:32] <rain> it was your fight from the start
[08:32] <Grog> yeah maybe it was
[08:32] <Grog> but there was a point where it stopped being our fight
[08:33] <Grog> then it became yours
[08:33] <rain> ok
[08:33] <rain> have a nice round
[08:33] <rain> or whats left of it
[08:33] <Grog> i will thanks

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[10:05] <rain> hello
[10:05] <Jonas^Away> lo
[10:05] <rain> whos in charge of politics in insomnia?
[10:05] <Jonas^Away> <--
[10:05] <rain> ok
[10:06] <rain> are you with 1up till end of round?
[10:07] <Jonas^Away> depends
[10:07] <Jonas^Away> why?
[10:07] <rain> let me put it this why
[10:08] <rain> is insomnia willing to hit 1up and 1up only from now on till round ends?
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> nop
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> e
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> u ha dur chance
[10:08] <rain> ok
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> and u spoiled it
[10:08] <rain> thank you

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congrats 1up for winning the round
congrats ND and insomnia for screwing it
congrats insomnia for being #1 peon alliance this round

now someone please close this thread, nothing more to discuss in here

[Banned]

Originally Posted by rain

now someone please close this thread, nothing more to discuss in here

You pitched that real well to them. Sold it right to them. Could see them wanting to buy that idea from miles away.

[Mek]

Originally Posted by rain

snip

as ive said to some HC's that have pmed me. We offer you the chance to take down omen not once but twice and its thrown back in our face. now you get 0wned and you come begging for our help?? whats changed rain, tell me whats changed? the fact that it took you to get your ass handed to you for attacking 1up to matter? get real

[Gate]

Originally Posted by rain

congrats 1up for winning the round
congrats ND and insomnia for screwing it
congrats insomnia for being #1 peon alliance this round

now someone please close this thread, nothing more to discuss in here

Every top alliance contender except 1up lost this round, and every one is guilty of various things that help to explain this. Lack of proactivity or organisation, or sheer political ineptness.

Trying to blame it on every other alliance is childish and moronic. Your own alliance didn't do what was needed to win, and it's your own fault. Maybe if you learnt from it instead of trying to blame everyone else, you might not make the same mistake again.

There are logs that are damning of keizari and could easily lead to the conclusion 'congrats omen for screwing it', but I'd rather my alliance learns primarily from its own mistakes and improves for the future than pasting them up on the internet in a feeble attempt to reinforce my own opinion that it couldn't possibly be our own mistakes that cost us the round. And hopefully, if I have a big enough whine about it and post enough out of context remarks, I can make it look like it was entirely the other party's fault. Because, of course, the most important thing in PA is not to win, but to **** up and then try to blame everyone else.

You lost. Get better.

[Thefoundation]

Originally Posted by Mek

as ive said to some HC's that have pmed me. We offer you the chance to take down omen not once but twice and its thrown back in our face. now you get 0wned and you come begging for our help?? whats changed rain, tell me whats changed? the fact that it took you to get your ass handed to you for attacking 1up to matter? get real

Nice words mate, though it only says: "You trew something back in my face, now im settling for thirth"

Every other top 5 ally should grow a fricking spine, and either charge fullspeed are say your settling. It aint that hard mate, well it is when your living in the past and your having a blurred view.

[rain]

Originally Posted by Mek

as ive said to some HC's that have pmed me. We offer you the chance to take down omen not once but twice and its thrown back in our face. now you get 0wned and you come begging for our help?? whats changed rain, tell me whats changed? the fact that it took you to get your ass handed to you for attacking 1up to matter? get real

Thats not begging. I never begged for anything, ever. It was a fair proposal that your alliance passed. While we came to insomnia as equal partners all along, you went as muppets to 1up. And you'd rather continue as 1up peons. That's what you and your members are atm. A bunch of MUPPETS.

[Spritfire]

rain :

Since your posting nice nice logs who should show that you is willing to hit 1up.
After yesterday and you where 25% down, why did you come ask nd to help hit insomnia?

Did you pm insomnia hc about helping hitting nd to maybe ?

[Thefoundation]

Originally Posted by Spritfire

rain :

Since your posting nice nice logs who should show that you is willing to hit 1up.
After yesterday and you where 25% down, why did you come ask nd to help hit insomnia?

Did you pm insomnia hc about helping hitting nd to maybe ?

This shouldnt be to hard sherlock, and actually quite logic:
Ins sided with 1up, and profitted because of that. And Revenge is revenge, together Omen could still figth 1up while still hitting Ins/

/end very logic NOT omen awnser.

[Dopec]

Originally Posted by Banned

You pitched that real well to them. Sold it right to them. Could see them wanting to buy that idea from miles away.

Well, whether pitched or not, the answers were quite clear too. ND doesnt consider 1up ie #1 spot their fight anymore so what gives, end of story there. Insomnia would rather be with 1up than against them. maybe we can have a real nice contest for the #2 spot for the next two weeks.

And also knowing how strong of 1up is with Insomnia on their side one is probably better off trying to scare them away from that position.

[rain]

Originally Posted by Gate

Every top alliance contender except 1up lost this round, and every one is guilty of various things that help to explain this. Lack of proactivity or organisation, or sheer political ineptness.

Trying to blame it on every other alliance is childish and moronic. Your own alliance didn't do what was needed to win, and it's your own fault. Maybe if you learnt from it instead of trying to blame everyone else, you might not make the same mistake again.

There are logs that are damning of keizari and could easily lead to the conclusion 'congrats omen for screwing it', but I'd rather my alliance learns primarily from its own mistakes and improves for the future than pasting them up on the internet in a feeble attempt to reinforce my own opinion that it couldn't possibly be our own mistakes that cost us the round. And hopefully, if I have a big enough whine about it and post enough out of context remarks, I can make it look like it was entirely the other party's fault. Because, of course, the most important thing in PA is not to win, but to **** up and then try to blame everyone else.

You lost. Get better.

It was your call to make, Gate. All the time till you left ND HC team. You were the one calling for insomnia's help to screw omen. Not once, but twice. Each time your call. While 1up grew in peace, we had to fight against a stubborn idiotic leader who still thought omen is the biggest treat. I have logs too, you know. It was because of those 2 joint attacks we didn't trust you and insomnia and we were right all the time not to trust you. When you came last time to us and asked for a block against 1up, you weren't actually targeting 1up. Your goal was to target 1up AND omen. As 1up would have retalled. It's childish to think they would retall any other alliance but omen. Sure, put Omen in the front line all the time. They're Godlike. What asked Keizari was fair, was a proof that you really want to hit 1up and you passed that proposal. Again, I have logs. It wasn't us the ones to come to ND and ask for a block against 1up and next day to gang with whoever against your alliance. It was YOU who did that.
Don't want to turn this into a "it was your fault" topic, although it sounds like it. As a last note, stupidity can't be cured.

[JonnyBGood]

This is pathetic beyond my wildest dreams.

[furball]

So, Sid's arrived and declared his battle plans. Looks like Insomnia/Angels would have got it in the ass if the block had ever come into existence.


Frankly every alliance has made mistakes and left itself in bad positions. You've all delievered one political cluster**** that I hope none of you ever repeat.

Omen. Omen were essentially pinned by NewDawn and Insomnia, or the threat thereof. If they had attempted to go for 1up solo, there was no guarantee that ND/Ins wouldn't have hit Omen, forced Omen down to 4th/5th with 1up help and both moved up a rank respectively. From their point of view, the same could have equally happened in a block. This was because of a huge trust issue created by the relations between the three alliances all round - all equally willing to backstab each other.

NewDawn. I don't think Omen like you very much . From what I can tell you focussed on Omen for far too long and ignored 1up. I still believe that you were the real powerbrokers of this round - and it doesn't matter whether you're ready to accept this or not. Your actions affected everyone else. By choosing to not go for 1up and instead focus on Omen (or Omen galaxies), you prevented Omen from aiming for 1up, as well as Omen trusting you.


Everyone's too proud. Omen, ND, Ins and Angels all agreed that they should hit 1up. Yet they never actually did it. Omen decided that they wouldn't trust the others. The others refused to recognise why Omen didn't trust them. No-one was willing to sacrifice in the present to aim for a long-term goal. Where was the ND-Ins-Angels meeting to properly discuss Omen/1up? You all did this half-assed and it shows in the meetings and on AD now.

You all had choices, yet none of you made the right ones. Omen failed to accept the 6 hour offer, for example. Talk about shooting yourself in the face. In fact, the only alliance for which everything went right was 1up - and that really is all that now matters.

[Paddy]

Originally Posted by rain

It's childish to think they [1up] would retall any other alliance but omen.

Good to see you read the whole thread properly. As I have already said, we DID think that 1up would target us rather than Omen and since I said that Sid has replied to say that we were correct in thinking that. We may not have had our reasoning for why they would hit us, rather than you, fully correct (as Sid pointed out) but the fact is 1up would have targetted us, not you.

Sure ND may have made a few mistakes politically this round, not blocking the universe might be one (as Lok said), not hitting 1up might be one. However what we don't do is come on here whining about how it's all another alliance's fault. We won't however let other people say it is entirely our fault when it is as much theirs as it is ours. They were in the position to hit 1up. They were "top" by a fair way but they let a trust issue get in the way of the plans. ND may have done the same thing but Omen were always the alliance that would benefit most from 1up being hit.

Omen had their chances, they couldn't/didn't take them. ND had their chances and couldn't/didn't take them. Who knows what might have happened if any alliance from 2-5 had done something different. The fact is the didn't and they're all as much to blame as each other for that.

[jerome]

dear lord would you all stop going around in circles, and just grow testicular fortitude*, stop ****ing hoping someone else will do your dirty work for you and just go for it yourself. it sure as hell is better to tried and ended #4 than pussy footed around and settled for #2.

*very interestingly, this phrase was first used by moi in r11 on these boards and similarly to how i was "proud" of 1up in that round, i'm also proud of 1up this round for the innovation involved.

there's also something to be said about lch of that and omen of this, too.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by jerome

dear lord would you all stop going around in circles, and just grow testicular fortitude*, stop ****ing hoping someone else will do your dirty work for you and just go for it yourself. it sure as hell is better to tried and ended #4 than pussy footed around and settled for #2.

It depends on the level of risk involved and how good your alliance is.

[bwtmc]

Originally Posted by bwtmc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_chicken

And of course, neither side can really afford to play.

For heaven's sake! ND:

It's pretty damn simple. 1up put forward pretty much every round that they'll target the smaller of the resisting alliances rather than the greater threat to their rank. If you're not willing to take some hits as the second alliance hitting 1up, you have given up any chance of winning at the round start.

Closing on the end of the round, they were never going to kick the crap out of you while Omen ran away with it. Very quickly there'd come a point where they would switch targetting. If the damage to both alliances was large enough, you might even both switch targetting! The principle reason for the attacks on you, would simply be the expectation that you're more likely to stop. It can even be good to stop, start hitting galaxies and go for rank once you've offset the balance. Of course, the other two contenders would then be stuck fighting!

If you leave it really late they might not attack you at all. Although, the other alliance you depend on will probably be out of the battle by then.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by bwtmc

For heaven's sake! ND:

It's pretty damn simple. 1up put forward pretty much every round that they'll target the smaller of the resisting alliances rather than the greater threat to their rank. If you're not willing to take some hits as the second alliance hitting 1up, you have given up any chance of winning at the round start.

Closing on the end of the round, they were never going to kick the crap out of you while Omen ran away with it. Very quickly there'd come a point where they would switch targetting. If the damage to both alliances was large enough, you might even both switch targetting! The principle reason for the attacks on you, would simply be the expectation that you're more likely to stop. It can even be good to stop, start hitting galaxies and go for rank once you've offset the balance. Of course, the other two contenders would then be stuck fighting!

If you leave it really late they might not attack you at all. Although, the other alliance you depend on will probably be out of the battle by then.

The whole point is that you knock out your rivals support out of the running, leave your main rival exposed, then just rip through them. ND had taken a bit of a battering already. The war might have been brief, but probably killer on morale, considering ND have been on the end of it for most of the round. On the other hand ND could have just stuck it out, and Omen would simply have pulled away further. It's my belief that ND would be pretty much out of the running in either scenario. If the war stopped, they'd still be helping someone else out rather than doing anything particularly beneficial. Even so, 1up strategy dooms ND, which means they made the right decision because the offer from Omen was poor. Even then, their priority isn't "stop 1up winning", I'd say it's more "stop giving a shit and do what you like".

Omen's alternative although not much different involves beating 1up, then going back to beating ND which they were doing in the first place. It's a bit easier for them (not much).

ND are guilty primarily of playing a poor political round and what I would call 'intensity' and this has been what has done them mainly. They should have a commanding lead and never allowed this scenario to happen by being pro active very early in the round. Omen on the other hand expected others to do their work for them and when it comes to the crunch, you've really got to be able to do it yourself.

There is a way back for these alliances, but I suspect the Omen attack on Gate ended any prospect of that and their contempt for an alliance refusing to simply go out of their way to help them will end any prospect for that. To be honest, if you can't take out some untagged planets, what can you do. Omen and AD have known about it for ages, and when they didn't get help, simply sat there and decided to take what was coming. How utterly moronic!

[Spritfire]

Originally Posted by furball

NewDawn. I don't think Omen like you very much . From what I can tell you focussed on Omen for far too long and ignored 1up.

furball you have still not paid attention to the class.

ND did focus on Omen for approx 5 DAYS!

We haven't picked gals with omen in, their gals have just ben FAT!

furball I am now tired of you reading what you want. Start reading this thread or I suggest you stop posting, your just posting bullshit anyways.

[robban1]

Originally Posted by Spritfire

furball you have still not paid attention to the class.

ND did focus on Omen for approx 5 DAYS!

We haven't picked gals with omen in, their gals have just ben FAT!

furball I am now tired of you reading what you want. Start reading this thread or I suggest you stop posting, your just posting bullshit anyways.

well main issue is that you guys didnt target ANY 1up planets on your galraids so the "just fat" argument are just moronic doh...

[cura]

Originally Posted by rain

congrats 1up for winning the round
congrats ND and insomnia for screwing it
congrats insomnia for being #1 peon alliance this round

you forgot to congratulate Omen for having the most arrogant HC in history of PA, with whom nobody would want to have any deals and thus shooting themselves in the foot from tick 1

[MaxMilliaN]

Originally Posted by El-CuRa

you forgot to congratulate Omen for having the most arrogant HC in history of PA, with whom nobody would want to have any deals and thus shooting themselves in the foot from tick 1

arrogant?

clearly you dont know rain/keizari.... being better doesnt mean your arrogant. what gate said, he would never want to let a new alliance win. THATS arrogant.

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by robban1

well main issue is that you guys didnt target ANY 1up planets on your galraids so the "just fat" argument are just moronic doh...

FYI

A number of 1up planets have been roided multiple times by ND .

Just setting the record straight

[furball]

Originally Posted by Spritfire

furball you have still not paid attention to the class.

ND did focus on Omen for approx 5 DAYS!

We haven't picked gals with omen in, their gals have just ben FAT!

furball I am now tired of you reading what you want. Start reading this thread or I suggest you stop posting, your just posting bullshit anyways.

Oh Spritfire! I'm feeling so much love right now :(((((


You didn't exactly avoid Omen on those days you didn't hit Omen as an alliance, did you? Omen's galaxies were fat, great. I'm not saying that you shouldn't have hit those galaxies. However, you probably generated a good number of incomings on those (fat) Omen planets - so saying that you only gave Omen incomings on 5 or 7 days is simply wrong.

Originally Posted by Spiritfire

ND for that mather have hadd incs all round, from omen's flak.
Almost every second day have they launched at us.

So dont come here and say that omen have hadd a hard start round.
They have basically kept themself out of any war, and just raided gals all round

Now, how about you develop this allegation of Omen using flak into something credible (hint: use facts). I'm disinclined to take this seriously unless you start naming names. It's a major allegation that should be taking up a lot of AD's time, so get going.

[voodoo]

5 days? we are over 3k incoming hostile fleets. wouldnt be far fetched to say that 2/3 of those incs were nd/ins. now u do the math. 5 days of targeting + random attacks can get 2k fleets? i think not.

nothing can stop you from posting crap.but try and make it believable please.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by MaxMilliaN

arrogant?

clearly you dont know rain/keizari.... being better doesnt mean your arrogant. what gate said, he would never want to let a new alliance win. THATS arrogant.

No, that's a statement of preference. Saying we're not going to let them win might be arrogant, but only if he can't back it up. I have the utmost respect for rain and keizari's abilities to run a solid military machine and while I'm sure they were pissed off at all and sundry when they were getting hit while not actually being the #1 alliance, being as accusatory, blunt and downright uncivil as they appeared in the logs I've read is never a productive approach.


PS you needed someone like rob. rob could have talked hitler out of invading poland

[Gate]

Originally Posted by voodoo

5 days? we are over 3k incoming hostile fleets. wouldnt be far fetched to say that 2/3 of those incs were nd/ins. now u do the math. 5 days of targeting + random attacks can get 2k fleets? i think not.

nothing can stop you from posting crap.but try and make it believable please.

ND have so far (PT977) had 2,920 defcalls, what I would consider a 'bumpy' ride (as can be seen on sandmans), and we have not had the 7 (now 8) days of specific targetting Omen have had. These sort of above-average incoming levels are typical of an alliance with a lot of fat members and don't necessarily constitute endlessly coordinated waves of incomings over a period of weeks. Sometimes people just like the look of your roids, without some kind of 'omg destroy omen!' agenda.

[[BA]Apoc]

Firstly i'd like to say congratualtions Sid on a round very well played, 1up's tactics have worked brillaintly and now thanks to the bickering between all of your rivals 1up's victory is almost garaunteed, unless Omen/ND/Ins decide to work together or at least lay off each other i can't see anyone assailling your lead.

I did find it very arrogant from ND saying that Omen should not win the round because they are a new alliance, even though they contain many of the experienced players in PA. The fact that ND went straight after Omen from the word go with the occasional help from Ins showed a lack of round planning and foresight. Instead of Omen being in a position where 1up would have had to chase them, Omens constant incomings have made 1up's win a near certainty.

TBH, with the massive amount of distrust evident i can't see Omen/ND/Ins co-operating in taking down 1up. the only option left to you is to back of each other and go for 1up on your own, in a straight fight, 1up would win against you, but if you place enough incomings at their door step ... you might actually make this round hard for 1up.

Maybe the fight for second will be interesting?
or maybe the fight for 5th?

[robban1]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

FYI

A number of 1up planets have been roided multiple times by ND .

Just setting the record straight

im not talking about the extra fake 1uppers planets you have and kicked out.
think you even can find that they got shaved by the untagged ones aswell.


btw you guys still use em for attacks, funny isnt it?

[Spritfire]

Originally Posted by furball

Oh Spritfire! I'm feeling so much love right now ((((


You didn't exactly avoid Omen on those days you didn't hit Omen as an alliance, did you? Omen's galaxies were fat, great. I'm not saying that you shouldn't have hit those galaxies. However, you probably generated a good number of incomings on those (fat) Omen planets - so saying that you only gave Omen incomings on 5 or 7 days is simply wrong.


Now, how about you develop this allegation of Omen using flak into something credible (hint: use facts). I'm disinclined to take this seriously unless you start naming names. It's a major allegation that should be taking up a lot of AD's time, so get going.

We didn't leave anyone out from the gal raids. Without one friendly alliance, wich is not 1up.

Sorry , but scans only last like 48 hours. And its over 48 hours since gate got rapped by omen + flak.
And after my intel SPQR( this someone else have confirmed to me to ) was on the same eta's as omen on gate. And he was the only planet in that gal with incs!
So clearly SPQR = flak alliance or support alliance or whatever.

Admins could probably check if dropped omen planets go to SPQR and big SPQR planets go to omen, since they pretty often change out planets.

and again furball, your not playing, you are not into this rounds politics.
That means you dont know whats going this round. So you shouldn't be saying everything your saying.

[Murador]

Originally Posted by rain

[08:24] <rain> hello
[08:25] <Grog> hey
[08:25] <rain> i've been told you're in charge of politics in ND^^
[08:26] <Grog> thats right
[08:26] <rain> ok
[08:26] <rain> in or out?
[08:27] <Grog> well i think i'd need to know the proposition first
[08:27] <rain> ND
[08:27] <rain> in or out against 1up
[08:28] <Grog> its not that simple
[08:28] <rain> no
[08:28] <rain> it is that simple
[08:28] <rain> either you attack 1up or dont attack 1up
[08:28] <rain> thats how simple this is
[08:29] <Grog> well atm we'd count as undecided on that
[08:29] <Grog> we aren't avoiding 1up, but we aren't hitting them specifically either
[08:31] <rain> so you're ok with them winning the round without giving them a decent fight
[08:31] <Grog> well atm i can't see how its our fight
[08:31] <rain> likr you did awgainst omen and practicall crippled both ND and omen
[08:32] <rain> it was your fight from the start
[08:32] <Grog> yeah maybe it was
[08:32] <Grog> but there was a point where it stopped being our fight
[08:33] <Grog> then it became yours
[08:33] <rain> ok
[08:33] <rain> have a nice round
[08:33] <rain> or whats left of it
[08:33] <Grog> i will thanks

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[10:05] <rain> hello
[10:05] <Jonas^Away> lo
[10:05] <rain> whos in charge of politics in insomnia?
[10:05] <Jonas^Away> <--
[10:05] <rain> ok
[10:06] <rain> are you with 1up till end of round?
[10:07] <Jonas^Away> depends
[10:07] <Jonas^Away> why?
[10:07] <rain> let me put it this why
[10:08] <rain> is insomnia willing to hit 1up and 1up only from now on till round ends?
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> nop
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> e
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> u ha dur chance
[10:08] <rain> ok
[10:08] <Jonas^Away> and u spoiled it
[10:08] <rain> thank you

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congrats 1up for winning the round
congrats ND and insomnia for screwing it
congrats insomnia for being #1 peon alliance this round

now someone please close this thread, nothing more to discuss in here

if you want something to be done, do it yourself

[furball]

Originally Posted by Spritfire

and again furball, your not playing, you are not into this rounds politics.
That means you dont know whats going this round. So you shouldn't be saying everything your saying.

There's no pre-requisite that anyone posting must have a planet. I'm on pretty good terms with most HCs involved in this matter, and because of this I probably know more than many people who do have planets. These relations were created when I was an alliance HC with responsibility for politics. As such, I have a lot of experience in dealing with these sorts of situations. I see no reason why I should not comment on events - and perhaps I can view them rather more objectively than you can.

[Spritfire]

But still you dont know whats going on. Thats the problem.

You are saying many things about ND wich aint true.

Wich the HC of ND should know way much bether than you, since we have decided these things.
So we can say very clearly that your wrong. But still you keep posting these omen lies

[mazzelaar]

Originally Posted by robban1

im not talking about the extra fake 1uppers planets you have and kicked out.
think you even can find that they got shaved by the untagged ones aswell.


btw you guys still use em for attacks, funny isnt it?

I'm sure Rshih, although he is a nub, will object to you calling him a fake 1upper and he'll be mighty pissed if he finds out he's been kicked from the ingame tag.

If' you're accusing us of farming or using support planets then take it to the multi hunters with your proof and stop being such a cry baby.

I'm perfectly aware of your need to troll and your competition with whomever to get more red dots than max but you could at least do it in a vaguely amusing manner rather than just making yourself look like a tit.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by rain

It was your call to make, Gate. All the time till you left ND HC team. You were the one calling for insomnia's help to screw omen. Not once, but twice. Each time your call.

I have not been on the ND HC team in over 8 months. If I was active and HC, ND would have played this round out very differently.

For example, instead of fagging about doing galaxy raids, I would have continued to smash you when we started off 2 weeks into the round. Regardless of who won, that war would have been effectively over within 2-3 weeks, giving plentiful time to hurt 1up. I believe that ND's mistake was to switch to hitting omen galaxies or to ignore you, thus ensuring that any action undertaken to remove you would be close to the end of the round. However, this is my exam period and I am not HC, so my opinion was not followed.

Originally Posted by rain

It was because of those 2 joint attacks we didn't trust you and insomnia and we were right all the time not to trust you.

How were you right? Insomnia and ND were committed to hitting 1up provided Omen would join in. As I said during the meeting:

<[ND]GatezZz> keizari, no offence, but it looks like you're planning to lose, and just trying to find some way to blame ND/InS for hitting you instead of 1up.

(like rain, I don't need context for my logs!)

Originally Posted by rain

When you came last time to us and asked for a block against 1up, you weren't actually targeting 1up. Your goal was to target 1up AND omen. As 1up would have retalled.

You're full of shit rain. Firstly, it was Sjor who approached ND, secondly, we had no intention of targetting omen if you agreed. Anyone with any intellect at all would realise that is insane paranoia.

Originally Posted by rain

It's childish to think they would retall any other alliance but omen.

Sid lied earlier! Rain is telling the truth! (*ahem*like that time I hit omen with 20 fleets in 48 hours despite only launching 10 fleets, 2 of which were defence in the given time period? lol.)

Originally Posted by rain

Don't want to turn this into a "it was your fault" topic, although it sounds like it.

You blamed ND and Insomnia for everything, including your own failures and inabilities. As I said, you lost, you're painting omen as a none-contender, yet blame ND and Insomnia for not helping you win. ND will accept its mistakes, learn, and try not to repeat them. If you continue to be so imbecilic, it is almost tragic that Omen will waste such a fantastic skill base. Though the posters you allow on here do make your alliance look like it's full of morons and encourage hatred from other alliances, that is a very unfair picture you are presenting.

Originally Posted by rain

As a last note, stupidity can't be cured.

It's ok rain, you can learn to live with it, I'm sure.

[aNgRyDuCk]

Originally Posted by furball

Now, how about you develop this allegation of Omen using flak into something credible (hint: use facts). I'm disinclined to take this seriously unless you start naming names. It's a major allegation that should be taking up a lot of AD's time, so get going.

(in his best Beavis and Butthead voice.....)"Umm, you guys launch ok...heheheheh, umm then we'll like launch 6 hours later and ok umm...oh ya...we don't trust you, so we want you to take the brunt of the heat for us, then we'll come in later and umm kick ass...ya ...hehehehe ya"

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by robban1

im not talking about the extra fake 1uppers planets you have and kicked out.
think you even can find that they got shaved by the untagged ones aswell.


btw you guys still use em for attacks, funny isnt it?

moran

[furball]

Originally Posted by aNgRyDuCk

(in his best Beavis and Butthead voice.....)"Umm, you guys launch ok...heheheheh, umm then we'll like launch 6 hours later and ok umm...oh ya...we don't trust you, so we want you to take the brunt of the heat for us, then we'll come in later and umm kick ass...ya ...hehehehe ya"

Flak-wise, I was referring to Spiritfire's contention that Omen's flak had been hitting ND all round. So quite why you quoted that....


Besides. ND/Ins/Omen/Angels wouldn't have hit you for just one night.

[Wishmaster]

Originally Posted by mazzelaar

I'm sure Rshih, although he is a nub, will object to you calling him a fake 1upper and he'll be mighty pissed if he finds out he's been kicked from the ingame tag.

If' you're accusing us of farming or using support planets then take it to the multi hunters with your proof and stop being such a cry baby.

I'm perfectly aware of your need to troll and your competition with whomever to get more red dots than max but you could at least do it in a vaguely amusing manner rather than just making yourself look like a tit.

Got a guy in gal now which says he has been donating res to 1up tag entire round, and will now start playing when he has been kicked from tag. and asking for res to do so.

Not saying its cheating..but imo its in the grey area.

[XelNaga]

I like angryduck's sig.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

Got a guy in gal now which says he has been donating res to 1up tag entire round, and will now start playing when he has been kicked from tag. and asking for res to do so.

Not saying its cheating..but imo its in the grey area.

Asking for resources from who? 1up?

PS xelnaga, please express such sentiments using the wonderful rep system!

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by Gate

For example, instead of fagging about doing galaxy raids, I would have continued to smash you when we started off 2 weeks into the round. Regardless of who won, that war would have been effectively over within 2-3 weeks, giving plentiful time to hurt 1up. I believe that ND's mistake was to switch to hitting omen galaxies or to ignore you, thus ensuring that any action undertaken to remove you would be close to the end of the round. However, this is my exam period and I am not HC, so my opinion was not followed.

I agree. In my view the biggest mistake ND/Insomnia made was stopping hitting Omen way too soon. You were already aware that Omen gain roids fast all the time they're avoiding hitting big alliances - so you needed to get some clear air between them and you/ins. Then you could have forced 1up into the open by hitting our out of tag planets you knew about - and would have had enough of a cushion over Omen to take some hits bringing us back down to size. At the stage when you stopped hitting Omen, 1up HC were giving serious consideration to targetting Insomnia to reduce the damage to Omen. We wanted the war to drag on without a winner: Omen coming out ahead didn't worry us - the prospect of nd/insomnia winning it did.

The single biggest mistake Omen made was napping Angels. The second thought through my mind when i heard about it was along the lines of "Great: that'll make winning much easier".

[JonnyBGood]

What was the first thought?

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

What was the first thought?

"Typical Angels move."

[XelNaga]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Asking for resources from who? 1up?

PS xelnaga, please express such sentiments using the wonderful rep system!

If you referred to my post being off-topic: it's SO not off-topic.

If you referred to what it was intended to say: I don't think they can get any more red.

Maybe they even TRY to achieve the lowest rep ever. So that if they neg rep someone, he actually GAINS points.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by XelNaga

If you referred to my post being off-topic: it's SO not off-topic.

If you referred to what it was intended to say: I don't think they can get any more red. Maye they even TRY to achieve the lowest rep ever.

If it's not off-topic then it's a one line insult my man. (If you want to discuss this more can you pm me so as not to drag this thread off on a tangent.)