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Unread 8 May 2006, 07:36   #101
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Wow. If only I can convince Wakey of this.... Glad someone else thinks it appart from me
I thought it was sarcasm. can whoever gave me that "WRONG" neg rep please step forward so I can negrep back, pls pls

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Wow. If only I can convince Wakey of this.... Glad someone else thinks it appart from me
I've never said we arent a real alliance, infact at NO POINT in F-Crews history have I considered us not to be a real alliance. The only people whom do are people whom are the small minded people whom cant get their head around the fact that Training Alliance isnt a code word for calling someone a failure. A Training alliance is a real alliance which is willing to take a risk on untried people, its not a declaration of the quality of that alliance rather the recruitment policy and their ideals. Its like the way that "Elite" or "real" alliance doesnt mean successful, HR for example would never have pretty much been in a position to be considered failing in the few rounds before this one. However they werent anything but an elite alliance even when they were 'failing' because thats how they operated, they recruited in an elite manner (only people of a certain level) and they played in a manner and with an attitude of an elite alliance.

To put things simply Elite alliances dont become Training alliances when they fail, and Training alliances dont become elite alliances when they do well. The change requires more than, it requires a whole shift in direction much like we have seen at ROCK over the last couple of rounds. However any alliance with the slighest competance is a REAL alliance no matter what ideaology they follow
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Unread 8 May 2006, 10:59   #104
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I've never said we arent a real alliance, infact at NO POINT in F-Crews history have I considered us not to be a real alliance. The only people whom do are people whom are the small minded people whom cant get their head around the fact that Training Alliance isnt a code word for calling someone a failure.
I don't think there are many persons on this board that considers "Training alliance" as a "failure" or as an alliance that isn't good enough to be considered "elite".
Ofcourse there will be pple that look down on non "elite" alliances but basicly that's their problem and not something you should be worrying nor caring about.

I agree that training "new" members brings along extra risks and extra work, which you probably can avoid if you only recruit pple that know the game well enough.
But there are risks that "elite" alliances take, which you probably don't have to take (such as political decisions). For instance, so far in the last few rounds, F-Crew has not come into the position that the top ranked alliances see the need to gank on you (like with Omen) because they consider you a huge threat. Ofcourse for your sake, I hope that changes in the future because that'd mean you kept improving
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I don't think there are many persons on this board that considers "Training alliance" as a "failure" or as an alliance that isn't good enough to be considered "elite".
Ofcourse there will be pple that look down on non "elite" alliances but basicly that's their problem and not something you should be worrying nor caring about.
It happens more on IRC than forums but you do get alot of snide remarks about 'Training' Alliances and how they arent real alliance and such like. And the issue I have with it is more it sends a bad message to players in these alliances.

If we look at F-Crew for example, most of the other alliances in this game are full of players whom at one time have been F-Crew members but so many of them seem embarised to even admit they ever were. Its a stigma that other alliances often play on as well to steal players we would like to keep to help as part of the core which we recruit around. They get told things like "Your better than them, you deserve a real alliance" and such like.

And as we see here we even have valued members of the command feeling a need to hide what we do somewhat (Cm wants me to start refering to us as something like "A real alliance with elite core that trains new and inexperiance players" which is kind of ironic as thats basically just saying Training Alliance but in more words and hes always telling me to reduce the amount I type in posts )

Training alliances dont deserve such stigma and I was hoping that our performance over the last 4 rounds would help dispell it, and while it has a bit theres still no end of people willing to make snide remarks and insults about us not being a real alliance or treating us like a feeder alliance. It would be good if we had a situation where players were proud of being members of Training alliances at some point and werent looking to join and jump ships 2 months in when the other alliances see their progress. After all you can get something out of these alliances and theres no need to feel you have to move on after a few months or a round but can stay and help have fun and help build something better and more successful.

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I agree that training "new" members brings along extra risks and extra work, which you probably can avoid if you only recruit pple that know the game well enough.
But there are risks that "elite" alliances take, which you probably don't have to take (such as political decisions). For instance, so far in the last few rounds, F-Crew has not come into the position that the top ranked alliances see the need to gank on you (like with Omen) because they consider you a huge threat. Ofcourse for your sake, I hope that changes in the future because that'd mean you kept improving
As I often say on threads where people raise the size issue with claims about how "having more members means more defence so its easier for them" theres always pro and cons and ultimatly it leaves us in a situation where things like playing style, membership numbers ect ect dont make it easier or harder for any alliance they just make things different for each one.

For example If you have more members then yes you have more possible defence and attack fleets as an advantage but that brings the disadvantage of having more incoming and probally lower quality members or as you stated if you play under the training idealology then its more hard work from a membership pov but easier from a political pov.

And it seems to work well in the game as we have alot of differnt playing and political styles all with their own pros and cons and the rankings show who used their advantages and overcame their problems best
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Unread 8 May 2006, 15:37   #106
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Re: f-crew FO

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If we look at F-Crew for example, most of the other alliances in this game are full of players whom at one time have been F-Crew members but so many of them seem embarised to even admit they ever were. Its a stigma that other alliances often play on as well to steal players we would like to keep to help as part of the core which we recruit around. They get told things like "Your better than them, you deserve a real alliance" and such like.
Well, F-Crew trained quite bunch of players over the last years, so it's only natural that you'll find them well spread out over the playingfield, in all types of alliances.

I know I recruited 1 F-Crew member in Angels during the round (so not pre-round) and if I'd feel embarrassed for having an F-Crew member in my alliance, or feel embarrassed for admitting it, then I wouldn't have recruited him and I wouldn't write this either.

I'm quite happy with his performance and I'd not value him any lower then the prefered standard we wish to uphold in Angels.

Though, in all honnesty I never spoke bad about F-Crew to him, nor did we approach him. Nor did he mention anything bad about you guys either, so ...
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Unread 8 May 2006, 23:42   #108
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what a load of crap in this thread. It was hard to keep on reading and not lose interest

Imho it is very simple:

F-Crew is an alliance like any other and should be attacked like any other if any alliances wishes to do so. I will never ever feel guilty for attacking them, and if they choose to 15-wave me, then i will not be more or less pissed then when any other alliance would do this.

And for the records: []LCH[] and some other alliances always accepted newbies to the game, that not an F-Crew monopoly; they just have more.

(Oh btw, i got 6 waves this round with 2-3 planets per wave, and it was fcrew plus some friends, or friend plus some fcrew. And no wakey, i can't give you details, because i didnt care enough to write down the coords of the planets who got to share 4 roids in the 6th wave )
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(Oh btw, i got 6 waves this round with 2-3 planets per wave, and it was fcrew plus some friends, or friend plus some fcrew. And no wakey, i can't give you details, because i didnt care enough to write down the coords of the planets who got to share 4 roids in the 6th wave )
I dont need the co-ords as your "F-Crew and Friends" comment tells me everything I need to know. We know we have been piggied on a number of occasions when some alliance has decided to book the same galaxy for their attack as us. We attack alone so its just bad luck for us and our target when double booking happens and nothing more sinister
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or you piggied them
Normally we land our first wave with them landing theirs from our wave 2 (or if we have them wave 3) so we were there first so those evil piggies have piggied us
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Re: f-crew FO

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I dont need the co-ords as your "F-Crew and Friends" comment tells me everything I need to know. We know we have been piggied on a number of occasions when some alliance has decided to book the same galaxy for their attack as us. We attack alone so its just bad luck for us and our target when double booking happens and nothing more sinister

And if thats the case then why don't you tell your members in the 6th wave to pull since its no use to waste so much time for 4 roids that have to be shared by 3 attackers.

Just a tip.
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I dont need the co-ords as your "F-Crew and Friends" comment tells me everything I need to know. We know we have been piggied on a number of occasions when some alliance has decided to book the same galaxy for their attack as us. We attack alone so its just bad luck for us and our target when double booking happens and nothing more sinister
You are probably right. It was just funny to see those planets land for those 4 roids. What a waste of time and resources
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Re: f-crew FO

Hi, been away from the forums for a while, thought i'd come back for a bit, much to everyones displeasure :P. I work as one of the 2 senior BC's in F-crew. Here's some things you need to know are fact,..
1) We don't choose targets because others have, we choose them because they're good targets. Sometimes we land with other alliances, these are times when they have decided their good targets to! amazing that isn't it!
2) If we see/find out about, our members bashing, then we put a stop to it. Members hitting bad targets is as bad for us as it is for the planets they hit,.. i want us to be up there in the top 5 and having you lot question our "training alliance" tag even more! And members choosing to hit much smaller planets with no roids, dosn't help us achieve that, so please, help us to,.. help us :P
3) We get incomming the same as other alliances, we're not under some special protection, where we all sleep all night and day, wake up to prelaunch our attacks 11 ticks in advance, then sleep again,.... cept on thursdays,

That'll do for now,..
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Wow you signature is actually longer that the NEWS your are posting!

Well news, who said something about f-crews targeting anyways to start of this reply?
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Well news, who said something about f-crews targeting anyways to start of this reply?
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Re: f-crew FO

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Originally Posted by simmons
I'd just like to extend a giant finger to wakey and his BS on getting people to play (and stay playing) this game. Its all BS and those brackets around f-crew should be canned.


FO wakey!! You are a dick!!
still makes me lol
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