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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 14:47   #301
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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what kind of hc are you?
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 14:48   #302
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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That's exactly what we had all round. Except for when it rained.
I have a heated backyard with a terrace and something like a roof so

when it rained i still could :/

you never told me you couldnt.. otherwise i wouldve invited you.. well now i have
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i thought you were going out?
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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i thought you were going out?
who says you cant take laptops and wireless internet outside :/

i hate that in my ubermassive imaginary backyard :/
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:14   #306
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

drifing back on topic sorry guys

what is the definition of an alliance? to def and attack or just to attack? However the answer will be pointless as their is not really a net gain trying to hold onto your roids just to make sure that you can get them back
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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drifing back on topic sorry guys

what is the definition of an alliance? to def and attack or just to attack? However the answer will be pointless as their is not really a net gain trying to hold onto your roids just to make sure that you can get them back

alliance is people together that play together either to have a fun community, or to play a game as good as possible i think, a combination in between is allowed
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:17   #308
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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drifing back on topic sorry guys

what is the definition of an alliance? to def and attack or just to attack? However the answer will be pointless as their is not really a net gain trying to hold onto your roids just to make sure that you can get them back
the game defines an alliance as all those players under the same tag i would say becuase that's when they show in ranking lists etc

What they do to achieve their aims and how those aims look like is the deal for every alliance itself.
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:30   #309
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

GJ Kargool!! looooool

WE played it like it was suppose to be played. (2min look at the stats and u would figure it. )
WE beat 1up without making any effort, and you hate it

more flaming plz, we are enjoying it
and no matter what you do, we WON!!
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:36   #310
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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WE played it like it was suppose to be played. (2min look at the stats and u would figure it. )
Thats the problem for me, the man who made the stats also formed the XP whore alliance.

And if ND/1up merged their biggest planets, you wouldnt win.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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And if ND/1up merged their biggest planets, you wouldnt win.
Grasping for straws or what are you doing with this post ?
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:41   #312
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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the game defines an alliance as all those players under the same tag i would say becuase that's when they show in ranking lists etc

What they do to achieve their aims and how those aims look like is the deal for every alliance itself.
Clearly thats a lie, Assassin stated that DLR wasnt an alliance, hence its not enough to play under a tag..
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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Thats the problem for me, the man who made the stats also formed the XP whore alliance.
He didnt found the xp whore alliance. He founded an alliance which was purely designed to allow everyone inside it to play as he/she wished to play. No hours of organizing attacks, no hours of organizing defense, no activity monitoring. Nothing of all that crap.

We did actually have a few members which organized attacks for themselves and a few friends, and we also did have some members which defended; just like we also have a few members with quite decent values.

Ascendancy is much more than just an xp whoring* alliance.

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And if ND/1up merged their biggest planets, you wouldnt win.
Yeah but that'd also mean neither ND nor 1up would win. :xmasgrin:

*our xp based planets prefer to be called xp gigolos.
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:43   #314
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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Clearly thats a lie, Assassin stated that DLR wasnt an alliance, hence its not enough to play under a tag..
Wasn´t this under his false assumption that DLR was a support tag for ND ?
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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Thats the problem for me, the man who made the stats also formed the XP whore alliance.

And if ND/1up merged their biggest planets, you wouldnt win.
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Unread 11 Mar 2006, 15:49   #316
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

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why the need to "hide" 8 planets then? if it's "just for fun"
didnt they just take existing xp whores from existing alliances, kick there own members to add the new ones in, and decided to hide them, till now?

Why not hide them, nothing but a tactical decision.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

this is pure bullshit

count me out for the remainder of the round...vac mode FTW
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

This round was a commercial round for jolt/planetarion, And look how ascen managed to destroy it. I bet most companies that put money into advertising calculate that they will earn money on it. Now i bet we will have even less people play next round. ALL THANKS TO ASCENPUKE

Now PA crew are forced to lower the XP gain, maybe even more than they said they will. Wich was imo for nubs to catch up or those that lose hole fleets... lowering the XP will mean all the nubs now gone have hard time to gain any ranks in future rounds, As i see it Ascen has ruined PA many rounds ahead.

Ascenpuke has exploited a gameflaw and thus should be closed as alliance, Ontop of that they had no honor to play in tag, I mean wtf laming is that.
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This round was a commercial round for jolt/planetarion, And look how ascen managed to destroy it. I bet most companies that put money into advertising calculate that they will earn money on it. Now i bet we will have even less people play next round. ALL THANKS TO ASCENPUKE

Now PA crew are forced to lower the XP gain, maybe even more than they said they will. Wich was imo for nubs to catch up or those that lose hole fleets... lowering the XP will mean all the nubs now gone have hard time to gain any ranks in future rounds, As i see it Ascen has ruined PA many rounds ahead.

Ascenpuke has exploited a gameflaw and thus should be closed as alliance, Ontop of that they had no honor to play in tag, I mean wtf laming is that.
Are you trying to join the ranks of Kargool with shit posting or what? I don't see your points tbh.. Ascedancy played fully within the rules, you'd have to be thick-headed not to see that. I'd rather thank Ascendancy than flame them because they proved something wrong with the game mechanics.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

If I was a new player to Planetarion, I'd be more put off by the fact that the community is doing its level best to appear to be populated entirely by people who spend their time posting pathetic whiny rants on the forums. Most newbies couldn't care less which alliance is #1. In fact, the idea that you don't need a team of 24/7 active people backing you up in order to win is something that is good for newbies.

If anything puts the newbies off, it's the fact that the whiny ****s on the forums will ensure that the XP system is nerfed, thus ensuring that nobody will ever win Planetarion again without giving over their entire life to the game.

I agree that there's a lot wrong with the XP system, combat engine etc. These things need to be fixed. But you're not helping by posting this kind of stuff on the forums. There is a perfectly good Suggestions forum where people can discuss ways of improving the game.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

If I didn't have my right arm in a sling, I'd rip some of you to pieces for being complete retards. However, the dislocated shoulder's stopped that.


Well played to Ascendancy. Commiserations to Jester (for ending up on the receiving end of all this). I'll see you all at the end of the round when I'm allowed to use my arm again.
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lol.. Jesus Christ..
You get beaten at a game and you cry like lil sizzy girls.. Get over yourselves.
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This round was a commercial round for jolt/planetarion, And look how ascen managed to destroy it. I bet most companies that put money into advertising calculate that they will earn money on it. Now i bet we will have even less people play next round. ALL THANKS TO ASCENPUKE

Now PA crew are forced to lower the XP gain, maybe even more than they said they will. Wich was imo for nubs to catch up or those that lose hole fleets... lowering the XP will mean all the nubs now gone have hard time to gain any ranks in future rounds, As i see it Ascen has ruined PA many rounds ahead.

Ascenpuke has exploited a gameflaw and thus should be closed as alliance, Ontop of that they had no honor to play in tag, I mean wtf laming is that.

Can you please type something that makes sense because even Sir Winston Churchill himself couldnt make this gibberish into something worthwile reading.
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While I don't have to like it, this win (If they indeed win) is as valid as any. You can say all you want about "it's great that you don't have to be 24/7 active to achieve something anymore", I think it's a bit sad that people who are extremely active aren't really being rewarded as of now.

That's for another thread and another forum, though.

As much as I dislike this, I respect it, and I congratulate Ascendancy with everything they achieved. And stop whining at Jester, you're killing a kitten each time you do etc.
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One of my weakspots in this game is I barely look at the stats pre round. I go zik when im allianceless and xan when in an alliance. I dont like that in this round as well as in rounds past there are dominent races. Planetarion can be unbalanced enough (alliance wise) without creating a dominent race.

Ascendency has pointed out numerous times in this thread that it took "2-5 minutes perusal of the stats to know that terran/xp whoring was the way to go. Theyve also said that the rest of the universe was slow on the intake.

My question is to the top 10 alliance hcs and prior top 100 planets who didnt go the xp route. Did you guys not see this? And if you did, what made you choose not to go this route?
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2/ zhil, in all honesty i didn't think you would stoop to be as pathetic as you're showing yourself to be now. as i've said ine every round to date, the 'bset' alliance is defined solely by ranks, and right now, we're better :] mechanically speaking, this isn't try, but as all of the selfish ****s try to flaunt to me every round - it's jsut the end ranks which show all that matter right?
even i have to admit i'd feel satisfied if things ended in the current ranks after the arrogance you displayed to even me, during he initial stages of the rnd.
I'm being pathetic for being outraged at something I feel is utterly wrong? Ascendancy is not the best alliance around, you're #1 rank is through abuse of a broken formula.

Considering the work I know my alliance has put into this round, and at how hard it's worked - I reserve the full right to be a tad miffed at what has transpired.

My arrogance is simply because I honestly don't feel you deserve this win. It's less deserved to me than the Elysium win over Eclipse and that's something else I am utterly passionate about, along with Focht and Killghost. Really, I don't think I'm the pathetic one as my interests have to be for my members and unlike you (and the rest of Ascendancy it seems), I actually care for the game to a small degree.

Really, the lot of you saying how much you deserve this will do nothing to convince me otherwise. Rob and jester already know my feelings on the matter. They will not change. For anyone.
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Really, the lot of you saying how much you deserve this will do nothing to convince me otherwise. Rob and jester already know my feelings on the matter. They will not change. For anyone.
Good thing we don't need your approval then isn't it ?
You have every right to be pissed off about it. Imo you are overracting though. Then again every person reacts differently.
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Wrong. You applied to join 1up and I pointed out you needed a minimum value defense fleet before any consideration could take place.

Your galaxy was deemed too weak to be able to support you and not be a defense sink for us.

Yes, 1up was not playing in an xp-whoring manner. Perhaps this was wrong in hindsight, but I personally find the entire idea of it to be not Planetarion in the slightest and to be 'dirty'.

I am unsure whether Sid noticed how well an XP alliance could do (or to the extent on how it could take #1) and I'll regulary admit I did not expect this to happen in the slightest.

I also like to point out that the idiots are misquoting me or misunderstanding - for I havent singled out jester and actually posted AGAINST this being some 'clever planned scheme to win'. Mainly because it seemed some Ascendancy members were beginning to bag at how 'clever' you all were. I know full well that jester did not abuse stat creation, at least to his own knowledge.
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My question is to the top 10 alliance hcs and prior top 100 planets who didnt go the xp route. Did you guys not see this? And if you did, what made you choose not to go this route?
I chose to go zik, because it seemed like a fun way to play with some XP-gigolos in gal who would provide me with ample opportunity to steal ships.
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Good thing we don't need your approval then isn't it ?
You have every right to be pissed off about it. Imo you are overracting though. Then again every person reacts differently.
Then you really don't remember me if you think I am 'overreacting'. I always post passionately when I believe in something so strong.

I'd just appear arrogant if we begin discussing my 'approval'
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WE beat 1up without making any effort, and you hate it

more flaming plz, we are enjoying it
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Im not going to tell lok to do his job but regarding his statement last night, maybe some people should be taught a lesson here?

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Now Ascendancy shall I try and explain why people are pissed off?

HC/MOs/Members put int alot of work into this round, ND, 1up, Angels, LCH, TGV, Subh, F-Crew and I could carry on. Why there is gripes from members of these alliances is:

A) In terms of effort you didnt deserve it, the fact that you won is something that can be dealt with. I think what is griping people more is my next point.

B)You come here thinking you are clever. Seemingly thinking you are all geniuses for seeing that you can xp whore. You boast. You flame (I see more asc posters here than 1up, ND, Angels et al) You are inciting anger. Please, please, please after 8 weeks of a hard round dont come here and show off, its not appreciated.

Praise others, they will praise you. Have respect for your enemy they will respect you. eXilition had respect for 1up, in turn I respect them. If you think you are oh so great players, play next round. Im sure if asc is so great you all wont leave? Right?

As I said congratulations. You Won. But dont come here and insult/flame others. Quite simply its not needed. You may have been lauding up all round launching at 8pm then going to bed for school (thats an example of a flame for you btw). But that doesnt mean that other alliances have been trying hard and dont deserve recognition.

Congratulations, im friends with many of you, but your all acting like tits here.
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Let's just accept that Adventix is a shit poster. Every alliance has them.
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Good thing we don't need your approval then isn't it ?
You have every right to be pissed off about it. Imo you are overracting though. Then again every person reacts differently.
Id be pretty pissed too if i spent night after night awake, working to get /keep my alliance number 1 and then have it pulled out from underneath me. (im pretty pissed even though i didnt put in the amount of time as others) The worst part is there is nothing to be done. Nothing war can achieve. You just have to bend over and take it.

I also think (without knowing zhil at all) that he is more pissed at the stats situation that allowed ascendency to do it but is venting on the alliance who took advantage of it.
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Id be pretty pissed too if i spent night after night awake, working to get /keep my alliance number 1 and then have it pulled out from underneath me. (im pretty pissed even though i didnt put in the amount of time as others) The worst part is there is nothing to be done. Nothing war can achieve. You just have to bend over and take it.

I also think (without knowing zhil at all) that he is more pissed at the stats situation that allowed ascendency to do it but is venting on the alliance who took advantage of it.
My point was more along the lines of "It's just a game". I'm fully aware of the situation as such.
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Id be pretty pissed too if i spent night after night awake, working to get /keep my alliance number 1 and then have it pulled out from underneath me. (im pretty pissed even though i didnt put in the amount of time as others) The worst part is there is nothing to be done. Nothing war can achieve. You just have to bend over and take it.

I also think (without knowing zhil at all) that he is more pissed at the stats situation that allowed ascendency to do it but is venting on the alliance who took advantage of it.
Exactly. The fact there is nothing that can be done with two weeks left still of the round is the ultimate clincher to my anger.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

Congratulations Ascendacy. Well played and you have truely showed a new strategy in winning planetarion.

However I understand the ones that dislike it. As there`s loads of work in doing pre round planning, all tools, the workload of dcs, bcs, hcs, members to make their alliance do the best. Imo the traditional value alliance is the thing that makes PA interesting. Wars being faught and all the interalliance relations that occur during a round: spies, defections, new attack/defence tactics, fleetcatches etc.

In other words pure roiding and gaining XP doesn`t do it for me. I`m not questioning the win though, as you followed all the rules and XP is also a factor that should be counted. As it shows you have the guts to fight larger planets. In war rounds(ie r13/15) you`d find both xp and value players up there, and the ones with a mix of both. The ones that was mainly based on value had gone trough the round with naps/fencing/roiding easy targets. So on a planet rank system it`s hard to decide who deserve the victory the most. The xp-player or the value based one.

Alliance rankings should somehow be based mostly on value though, but ofc a bit on xp aswell as it reflects the fighting morale of the alliance. But as mentioned earlier it is a hard blow to all the people who has put in a lot of hard work for their alliance to be overrun by what seems to be a more loosely organised alliance. *Note that I`m not v. familiar with Ascendacy so I might be totally wrong about the allliance structure and by the looks of it, it has a lot of active players who definitly know what they are doing.
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Exactly. The fact there is nothing that can be done with two weeks left still of the round is the ultimate clincher to my anger.


Big fuss for nothing !

They played according to rules and still you moan, that loser behaviour doesn’t suit you at all!?

As long as they follow PA guide book all goes, morale issues aren’t gone show shit in the history books so get over it..

The only ones to “blame” is of course PA team who let this happen!

Nice played Ascendancy……….
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The way Ascendancy has won this round is not the issue as much as the boasting and insulting behavior. People don't like to hear whiners, well a sore winner is even worse. Bad enough to lose without having your nose rubbed in it.
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As it shows you have the guts to fight larger planets.
No it doesn't - Ascendancy have not fought large planets - they cant, due to the small size of their fleets. All they need to do is hit midrange at best for value as long as its max xp for them and make sure their own value doesnt go up much by losing a portion of fleet to compensate. At least from what I've seen - 1up itself received very few Ascendancy incomings whilst we had alot of the biggest value planets around.
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HC/MOs/Members put int alot of work into this round, ND, 1up, Angels, LCH, TGV, Subh, F-Crew and I could carry on. Why there is gripes from members of these alliances is:

A) In terms of effort you didnt deserve it, the fact that you won is something that can be dealt with. I think what is griping people more is my next point.

B)You come here thinking you are clever. Seemingly thinking you are all geniuses for seeing that you can xp whore. You boast. You flame (I see more asc posters here than 1up, ND, Angels et al) You are inciting anger. Please, please, please after 8 weeks of a hard round dont come here and show off, its not appreciated.

Praise others, they will praise you. Have respect for your enemy they will respect you. eXilition had respect for 1up, in turn I respect them. If you think you are oh so great players, play next round. Im sure if asc is so great you all wont leave? Right?

As I said congratulations. You Won. But dont come here and insult/flame others. Quite simply its not needed. You may have been lauding up all round launching at 8pm then going to bed for school (thats an example of a flame for you btw). But that doesnt mean that other alliances have been trying hard and dont deserve recognition.

Congratulations, im friends with many of you, but your all acting like tits here.
1. First off, while I'm sure its easy to assume that every alliance put their hearts into this round, I don't think it's an accurate assumption. For instance, as many people know I started the round in Angels. For the round, [Irvine], who most people realize is an excellent DC and a strong HC, more or less took some time off. In prior rounds I witnessed as he literally did 90+% of the DCing and carried Angels in many ways. This round he relinquished many of his duties to Alki as far as HCing and let several others fill in his place as DC. Sure, he was on often and still DC-ed quite a bit, but even he admitted that he wasn't playing as hard as usual because it was a free round. So while I understand your point, and its valid to some extent (at least that saying all those alliances put more into the round than Ascendancy did) you can't exactly claim that they all poured their hearts into it.

2. I don't think every member of Ascendancy thinks they're "clever". Sure, I think most people will admit that our strategy, whether it was initally intentional or not, has led to us having a large lead late in the round. Was it fair? Yes. Was it wrong (as Zhil states repeatedly)? No. Sure, I think most Ascendancy members will agree that the XP system is totally out of whack and needs to be fixed, but regardless what we did was not only legitimate but it was fair.

3. As far as, praise others and they'll praise you, I don't think that's going to work in this situation. I'll be the first to admit that this was one of the best rounds I've seen as far as equal opportunities for many alliances to do well (finish top3). There's a good 6+ alliances that have been top3 at some point this round, and they all deserve congratulations. Personally, I think F-Crew had some great players and did very well for themselves. Of course 1up played very well and ND showed a lot of people that they weren't a joke.

Most alliances did very well which I think is why it would be fair to think of this round as a big step forward for PA. Undoubtedly XP will be handled accordingly, and we saw a nice amount of alliances that are capable of competing for the top. If we were able to just all be good sports and, whether you like it or not, move on, this could be a good step into PAN.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

what a b0ll0x...

ofc Ascendany deserve to win this rnd! Complain to the PA-Team for the XP-formulae and Stats that was given and not to the community who managed it to play this game the right way this round! As I said, there was no ally needed to win this round, and I'm sure Ascendancy wasnt even an alliance...just a bunch of XP-Whores who tagged up in the end and everyone has to agree:

WELL DONE FFS! (also DLR)


That was a BG-STYLE RND nothing else...

P.S.: Ofc this Rnd wasnt the best and it even sucked imho, but dont flame around here guys!! If u got something to Say Debate stuff about changing the XP formulae for next round to make it balanced.

P.P.S: @Ascendancy: If I were you I wouldnt reply to this thread anymore as it is very pointless now!
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

What I find annoying is that 'shit posts' get rewarded with (shit) replies, and constructive ones (or at least attempts) aren't.

That's the end-all of it for me BaSSe, the defining score system doesn't reward people properly. Last time I posted that I got moaned at, the game doesn't have to be fair, and what not. The value/xp system can't reward alliances the right way, allowing the game to shift (rewarding effort) and yet retain an element of stability. Right now it doesn't work.

The majority of the posts here, particularly from those claiming to dislike Ascendancy's (limited) policies this round completely miss what I consider most important. I couldn't care less if some half idle git finishes top ten or his alliance finishes first. The rankings have only ever served to try to assure ridiculously active players that it wasn't all a waste of time anyway. The score system should reward effort in such a way that the game can shift. A value dominated system provokes plays like we saw from 1up this round, strongly, overwhelmingly logically suggesting NewDawn should acquiese and step back from the war.

What I'm trying to say is, people shouldn't be tempted to deliberately keep their values artificially low to maximise score. But on an alliance level, these groups should be able to profitably challenge value through perseverance/effort mid-late round. The current XP system achieves neither.

In an ideal world, someone will at least consider, if not agree that more than highlighting the XP system problematically rewards players (only in a round where Value is held back by constant confrontation elsewhere), Ascendancy have highlighted that the XP system is unable, and will continue to not be able to create a good base for individuals and groups to compete.
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2. I don't think every member of Ascendancy thinks they're "clever". Sure, I think most people will admit that our strategy, whether it was initally intentional or not, has led to us having a large lead late in the round. Was it fair? Yes. Was it wrong (as Zhil states repeatedly)? No. Sure, I think most Ascendancy members will agree that the XP system is totally out of whack and needs to be fixed, but regardless what we did was not only legitimate but it was fair.
Yes, it was wrong. We can debate it continously for all eternity if you like - I'm pretty sure I can make it last just as long as any other unsolveable arguement. You abused the flaw, and the fact we ALL didn't abuse that flaw and create the most boring round in PA history is why you're right? Proposterous.

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3. As far as, praise others and they'll praise you, I don't think that's going to work in this situation. I'll be the first to admit that this was one of the best rounds I've seen as far as equal opportunities for many alliances to do well (finish top3). There's a good 6+ alliances that have been top3 at some point this round, and they all deserve congratulations. Personally, I think F-Crew had some great players and did very well for themselves. Of course 1up played very well and ND showed a lot of people that they weren't a joke.

Most alliances did very well which I think is why it would be fair to think of this round as a big step forward for PA. Undoubtedly XP will be handled accordingly, and we saw a nice amount of alliances that are capable of competing for the top. If we were able to just all be good sports and, whether you like it or not, move on, this could be a good step into PAN.
Don't make me laugh, this round has done nothing but move PA into a darker era I feel. Even after the effort of alliances, it's all been for 'nothing' really - I just know for myself at least it's left a nasty taste in my mouth for actually trying.

A good step would be for Ascendancy to disband their ingame tag - since their point has been proven to PAteam now - and let the real alliances continue to battle it out for a more meaningful and earnt rank.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

Well clearly you are firm in your position. Unfortunately, just because you seem to know you're correct, doesn't mean you are, but there's absolutely no point in pursuing that any further.

As far as disbanding, I'm sure there will be many people that will look at the second place alliance as a better performing alliance and perhaps one that worked harder for their rank, but the fact remains that we are winning the round, and thats not really a debatable fact.
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

interesting notes to make: we've shown our hand. now let's see who is desperate enough for a win to go to lengths to acquire a better hand.

furthermore, why on earth are you trying to guilt trip us about the effort thing? a good definition of skill to me, has always been performing a task with the least amount of effort.

i've got other things to say about earlier posts, but i've also got other things to do
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A good step would be for Ascendancy to disband their ingame tag - since their point has been proven to PAteam now - and let the real alliances continue to battle it out for a more meaningful and earnt rank.
Would you or anyone else for that matter not feel very dirty winning the round if that was too happen, knowing you are actually 2nd best?
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Re: Ascendancy - winners of Round 16?

It seems to me that while some Ascendancy members have accepted their win with grace and respect for the work other alliances have put in (Jester, JBG, people who aren't posting), some still feel the need to gloat.

And you know what?

That's fine.

Those that want to gloat - let them have their little bit of glory.

They'd never be able to win in a "usual" round of PA.

Jester got them to the position they're at, with his coordination of Ascendancy (which, while being very laissez-faire, still did have some rather clever coordination).

So allow them this one little glory. Because it won't come again for most of them.
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