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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 16:32   #51
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How in the **** do you get fired from a job you volunteered for.
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 17:22   #52
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by putting in lots of time
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and effort!
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well on my homepage (see profile) you might find out more
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 18:12   #55
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 18:23   #56
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I've banned him because of his actions in making private discussion emails public on his homepage.

I've made it clear that he would be unbanned if he removed the content, he refuses, so the ban stays.
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 18:48   #57
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biffy - that is TOTALLY out of order. Once again its Jolt censorship.

You REALLY need to sort things out otherwise your going to drive people away. Havnt you even taken the time to READ this thread?
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Smudge - I don't think it is out of order to expect emails you've exchanged with someone in private to stay private, or for chats you've had in private on IRC to also remain that way. I've given xontas a number of chances since this decision was made to act appropriately, he continually throws it back in my face and makes my original call seem more and more like it should have probably been made sooner.
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biffy - that is TOTALLY out of order. Once again its Jolt censorship.

You REALLY need to sort things out otherwise your going to drive people away. Havnt you even taken the time to READ this thread?
Tbh I think in this case he was right, it kind of falls under the same situation as ban evasion and I have to say I would have probally banned him also if I had noticed it. He cant really expect to be banned from posting directly and then use the forum to do the same thing.

Oh ffs Xontas is making me praise a Jolt decision ffs, Stop it, Stop it now
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 19:10   #61
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biffy - there was no disclaimer saying they were private
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PR-wise, the handling of this has been little more then a fiasco.
I cant personally agree with the choice to ban xontas. It seems rather pointless and merely creates the impression there is something jolt want to desperately hide. Such an impression, given the proximity to end of round and the start of a new one is detremental to both the next round, and to the communities opinion of both jolt and pateam. Lets face it, neither have been that high really but after this i dont think they will ever recover
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 19:43   #63
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hahahahahahahhahaa

In this bullshit era of political correctness you can get canned and even brought to court (and lose) for making 'abusive' comments twords a co-worker. You can get in serious trouble for using WORDS in the workplace. It's ****ing pathetic.

I don't know the law situation regarding volunteers but I imagine businesses deal with these types of conflicts in a similar manner. Everything is kept hush-hush (someone might have used a naughty word against another afterall :0 :0 :0) and the offender mysteriously leaves. They do the same thing if they discover one of their employess/volunteers has commited an actual crime.

I'm suprised he didn't get a "write-up" type thing or a warning tbh. Maybe he's been in this situation before.

Overall, it seems like kal is a hypersensitive bitch who can't handle a little criticism from his peers.

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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 20:38   #64
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i was told to not make only negative posts here but i find it hard to react positive

1) i was told by biffy that i was not alowed to post here i told him that that would force me to do it on my website, he agreed to the, he just didnt like what he saw
2) biffy then used the fact that i dont wanne lose my forum account as blackmail to force me to remove it
3) when i did conform with his demand that all content on my site should be written by myself, he was offended by what i wrote and ignored my request for opening the forum account untill i pushed in #planetarion
4) if i become all negative about PA (something i wont do) i will be baned again

well i find it hard to react positive to all that
so if thats reason for a ban i guess you kinda have to

feel free to give your views on things biffy, i had my say
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I thought you said you read the NDA? It's got fairly blanket coverage. And for the record you can make suggestions as to how to efficiently run something without breaking diclosure. It just requires a little bit of thought.
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Unread 28 Aug 2005, 21:04   #66
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I thought you said you read the NDA? It's got fairly blanket coverage. And for the record you can make suggestions as to how to efficiently run something without breaking diclosure. It just requires a little bit of thought.
The NDA isnt valid
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Re: Xontas

I seriously wonder what some of you people want or how they think a commercial project should/can be run.

A disagreement happens and somebody leaves angrily or is removed. Given the amount of time the game runs and the amount of people involved in these "voluntary" programs, its a rather normal thing and will happen occasionally.

So the company makes people sign a NDA to cover (among other things) stuff like passing on information during their time on the job and afterwards. Different people on here mentioned that they didnt sign the NDA because they found it way to strict - fair enough. I wouldnt sign a NDA either if i cant live with the terms in it and i can tell you that i signed some unbelievable strict NDAs during my job.

Now somebody posts internal communication out of anger on a website and uses established communication ways from the other party (Jolt's PA forum) to point people to it. People begin to argue that "the NDA isnt valid" (anymore) and nobody seems to bother that private/business communication are exposed to the whole world (which courts have had quite contrary opinions about in the past).

Fairness?

Whenever its going against Jolt, too many people here seem to agree with unfair (and likely illegal) behaviour and what for exactly? Has Jolt posted something negative about Xontas which would require some kind of counterstatement? While the original post may have one or two eyebrow-raising sentences, i dont think it legitimates any strong "defence" and certainly none which includes revealing private communication even.

PA has some prime-time drama queens on here and big words like "blackmail" or "censoring" certainly are unappropriate.

If you think "unfair" and "Jolt" then maybe you should check how other companies deal with such stuff. You wouldnt read any reply to a thread like this, xontas wouldnt have his account anymore and this announcement likely would have been a 2 sentence one just stating a change.

Jolt likely arent perfect but they seem to be way better than a increasing vocal part of this community - and im getting sick of having to sound like a "fanboy" just because the general attitude is so against Jolt nowadays and way too few people seem to object this unfair one-sided treatment.

And Xontas - putting up these internal infos on a webpage is hurting YOUR reputation much more then anything else.
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Jolt likely arent perfect but they seem to be way better than a increasing vocal part of this community - and im getting sick of having to sound like a "fanboy" just because the general attitude is so against Jolt nowadays and way too few people seem to object this unfair one-sided treatment.
Allthough I agree with you that putting up thoose emails were bad, this is what raised my eyebrow about your arguments.

We, as the users of this game are paying customers, and as paying customers we have something called consumerpower. We can decide not to purchase a product we dont like, or if we think that the ethics behind the product we are purchasing is bad, or something we dont want to be a part of.

We can then demonstrate our disagreement by voicing our opinion about the product ,and about the ones developing it.

I could have shown you logs and logs and more logs about how this company treats their paying customers.

My voice of disagreement towards Jolt goes on valid points about US as users of a product being neglected.
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Anyway, biffy, you need me as a chief MH

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wakey with regards to the suggestions forum thing - how can i talk to the mods without being in a place where they actually talk?

In my mind one of the key problems is the way everything is so segregated - forusm people do their thing, irc people theirs and so on - yes we do have the joint channel for all people working on PA, but not many people other than the support team actually talk there.

I realise that I guess throughout this round I have been pretty inactive, for a variety of reasons I won't go into, but also bare in mind wakey a lot of the time ifs hard to know if you are around to talk to and you certinaly haven;t spoken to me about the suggestions forum for a while etc.

Yes things need to improve, yes communication on all fronts needs improve, so lets make it happen instead of just discussing the problems.
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Xontas - As I said to you on IRC I'm not willing to go into a debate on these forums about why you were removed from PA Team, it's not really possible to do so without copy and pasting IRC logs or emails and that is not really an appropriate thing to do here.

I suspended your forum account because you were promoting your homepage that had content on it which broke the NDA you signed. You've removed this content so you have your account back. As someone else said on IRC I'm not always the fastest to respond because I have to have eyes on two IRC networks along with other stuff as most of Jolt's activity takes place on QuakeNet or elsewhere.
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I think biffy has handled this with far more self control and patience than I or anyone else would of. Over time people get frustrated more and more by problems and then occasionally go too far. It seems that has happened here and been dealt with. Its not as big a deal as is being made out in my opinion.
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xontas gone.... what a pitty, every time I thought I'd seen it all, he drove me to dismay with his utterly odd way of approaching things and complete lack of forethought. Can't say it's a shame to see him go (sorry to be so brutally honest, but it's how I feel).

Hopefully the next head of multihunters will be someone who thinks of the wider consequences.
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The only thing I’ve seen from xontas is his complete incompetence.

This decision was long overdue.
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I never have liked the majority of Xoantas decisions to be perfectly honest and he has been plain stupid half the time in some of the random lil things hes done (/me remembers being top 10 from donating ships to himself etc.. as an exmaple).

But must be honest he did put in a lot of time for planetarion and it is a bit of a blow when you give ur spare time for nothing to get the sack.

GL in whatever you do xontas.
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i would like to be productive and tell you why i feel that kal will bring PA down
i have some good examples linked to the current problems in the game
we could discusse ways to make PA realy grow again (and i am not talking about 50 people per round)

but i am not alowed
and that fact i would you all to know
i got fired for speaking my mind and the facts i like to discusse jolt doesnt want known to you guys
why
you would all quit!

anyway jonnyBgood i understand what you are saying, but i dont agree
this should be very public
we all know that Kal is corrupt and will bring PA down, you don´t have to tell us that
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as MH you never make friends
and as MH you will never made desisions everyone agrees with

lets just say basher, terveler, noah02 if you can do better your welcome to try
i disagreed with a lot of people on some issues but i was always open (as some might have noticed) for input.
just not the " you are ****ing stupid" kinda input
if you have/had a issue with me you can always discusse it

in my job as MH i did make some bad calls (he no-ones perfect) but the funny thing is people hold them over me because i never did hide them.
i always made public commenst and IF i made a mistake i always owned up to them

i think that should happen more often..........................

anyway to most of you thanks for the support over the day
i hope you get a ace head MH in my place (me suggests Assassin)

p.s. if phil had never left i would never have aimed at the position, i am a good MH but not the best Head MH, no news there for me......thats why assassin got trained by me to take over almost instantly after i promoted him.
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I never questioned your dedication xontas, or your intentions, only your lack of common sense when it came to making decisions. You often jumped in with both feet before thinking it through, that was the only problem I ever saw with you, but I saw it more often than I would have liked.
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cool, like i said, i am/was always open for input
also i dont like discussion things for 2 whole days before acting
but i always atleast discusse actions i took outside my own department with atleats 2 people

within my department i think i didnt do that much that didnt make since
i closed a lot of multi's and i never looked @ who they where in the game before closing
i al alway honest in my judgement and i gave people second changes

i think i have done a nice job but if you dont agree that is something you are alowed to think
if you do i invite you (again) to do better
the game can use some good admins (not to bash PAteam tho, but help is always wanted)
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Did you discuss putting your planet to #1 spot with 2 others? And who were they?
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Me, myself and I.

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nope i didnt do that on perpose
i made a mistake tbh (i underestimaded the amount i was adding)
i did discusse with the other team that we should raise our value so that people could steal our roids

i wanted to admit mistake but was told not to
so i didnt and tried to spin it, (and regretted it instantly)
i sertainly didnt do it to win (because i dont play)
and i had no other motives to do so (inless i like abuse :/ )
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anyway, xontas bashing is easy

if you think i am shit fine, if you think i have done great fine 2
in any case i hope this game stays alive but i doubt it tbh
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anyway, xontas bashing is easy

if you think i am shit fine, if you think i have done great fine 2
in any case i hope this game stays alive but i doubt it tbh
I said majority not all so stop crying.
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Well, it's a shame. I didn't think you were a particularly good multihunter, but I respected you as a person in spite of that. Good luck with everything you do.
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gl in whatever u do , xontas
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All very interesting how people react to something like this and where people throw blame.


Good luck Xontas, lets hope we can stay in touch. Always a place back for you in ARS.
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Gossip: Xontas is making a new alliance to p0wn 1up
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sounds like a plan 2 me :-)
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I saw this coming ages ago, xontas is an irresponsible jerk with no integrity. He is a liar. PA will only be better off without him.
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Re: Xontas

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I saw this coming ages ago, xontas is an irresponsible jerk with no integrity. He is a liar. PA will only be better off without him.
Watch out he might show his true age by giving you a sexeh

neg rep Xontas 29 Aug 2005 23:35 shut up faggot0r

Made me smile when I saw that
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Gossip: Xontas is making a new alliance to p0wn 1up

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sounds like a plan 2 me :-)

I would like to take this opportunity to declare war on said alliance. After everything you did to me, you deserve nothing less.
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I would like to take this opportunity to declare war on said alliance.

Now why doesn't this suprise me!?
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I saw this coming ages ago, xontas is an irresponsible jerk with no integrity. He is a liar. PA will only be better off without him.
i dont realy remember how i pissed you off but i guess it had something to do with you demanding stuff that i said no to
i guess you hold a grudge
be carefull
in PA grudges (even ones that dont exist) get you fired

/me winks @ who ever the shoe fits

anyway, love you to S|k
and yes you are also welcome to show me how its done


now for our close friend forest
i could explain exactly why i think the biggest twit in the game = forest
but it would be old news

lets do what we always do
ignore, ignore, ignore

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Shouldnt you threaten to beat me up again (for the third time), or is that something you only do when you hold a position in pa?
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nice, that one i was waiting for
i did treaten to beat you up
when you nag 24/7 about us not closing the people who you suspect to be cheating
(they login @ diferent times from the other side of the globe and they are CLEARLY not cheating)
then you abuse the admin a lot
call someone names and try every form of abuse you can find

you might come to a situation where you anoy me to the point os snapping

yes i told you i would pay you a visit
and yes you baited me into saying it
also you thanked me after saying it and mailed it straight to jolt

basicly you are the most anoying person in PA congrats its hard 2 beat!!!
:-)
anyone wants to see some logs of him using the fact he just told you all to get me to close his enemy;s :-)
(we could ofc call it a night forest, think about what happend last time you opened your mouth)
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I only ever had bad dealings with Xontas.
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Stop the bitching Xontas and Forest, your both daft twats. The difference is Xontas held a position of responsability in Planetarion, luckily that has been fixed.
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