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1 Dec 2006, 04:20
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Poblacht na hÉireann
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I've never been a tryer
I don't know why. Or at least I'm not sure sure. It's probably my inate laziness combined with an overuse of alcohol, cannabis and other recreational drugs. But I think I'll make the effort just this once, on a whim, to make a point I think needs expressing.
I've made a handful of quick posts recently in a few snatched minutes at various internet cafes throughout my home town. Nothing serious or noteworthy to be sure. I popped in to one this evening after a night's socialising to do so again when I noticed a little message in my User CP.
your posts have been bad since you returned. try harder.
No signature of course, that would require some form of internet courage that I know to be lacking by many here. I understand, it is so hard to be brave on the internet. Nonetheless I turned my thoughts inward and reflected deeply on my shortcomings. The thread to which the comment refered was the one discussing the anal inclinations of Valle's sister. Now, while my posts there had admittedly been short, flippant and, dare I say it, just a little shit it was hardly a thread to push forward the boundaries of intellectual debate in any case.
Infact (and here comes the point I wished to make) during my two month absence from these boards there has been a very noticable decline in both thread count and quality. And with useless, shit comments like the one I received it really isn't very surprising. Why would anyone try at all, much less harder, to post on here when the only likely result is a note from the poisoned keyboard of someone so retarded that they seem actually afraid to sign their name?
ON THE INTERNET.
Anyway, my point now made I shall retire to bed, safe in the knowledge that I'm really not missing much. Which is a shame, there used to be quite a few decent threads on here. More than now at least. And here I thought that JJ was sorting all that anonymous bullshit out. Shame on you sir, for failing.
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1 Dec 2006, 04:47
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King of The Fat Boys
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: UK
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Re: I've never been a tryer
So you made some shit posts and got neg repped for it. Oh the humanity!!!!!
And yes, there do seem to be fewer threads recently. Oh well
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1 Dec 2006, 05:37
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Poblacht na hÉireann
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Re: I've never been a tryer
It's not the neg rep, at all. It's the ambiance of these forums. It's one of negativity and bitterness. I don't really care about my internet points, if I did I would never have taken a 2 month break. I didn't from many other sites I post on/frequent. That should say something.
And if the lack of threads is a sad thing in your opinion (as it is in mine) then you should speak up and say why you think that is the case. Which is simply what I was trying to do. The reality is that effort is not rewarded on here as it is in other places. Infact the opposite is frequently true, hence the desertion of the many because of the shitness of the few.
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1 Dec 2006, 16:33
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I ♡ ☠
Join Date: Oct 2006
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Achilles
It's not the neg rep, at all. It's the ambiance of these forums. It's one of negativity and bitterness.
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internet hug.
A few days after registering on these forums I got a neg rep with "Go away." as the comment. Although I did receive a PM from someone apologising for incorrectly giving me negative reputation.
These forums do seem to be a mecca of negativity. There must be a correlation between people who choose to play web-based space games and people consumed by bitterness.
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1 Dec 2006, 11:56
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Bored
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Re: I've never been a tryer
It is sad when I now come onto GD and there is one thread with posts in it after 24 hours of being away.
I'm almost thinking of changing my homepage away from it!
(except I wouldn't want other people using my computer to arrive at PB...)
EDIT oh heh - I got a neg rep saying "post comment not articles" in the litvinenko thread. I wonder why people are leaving
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1 Dec 2006, 12:01
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The Original Carebear
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Trondheim, Norway
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I've tried to contribute a few times, but most often if I do an effort it doesn't get noted, and some times when I do, it gets negrepped for the most silly reasons.
There haven't really been many threads worth posting in recently, and I'm not going to make any effort by writing one when I'm pretty sure I'll just get a negative response anyway.
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1 Dec 2006, 12:44
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Guy next door
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The Netherlands
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue
That sounds like a Yahwe comment to me.
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I was about to post that.
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1 Dec 2006, 12:54
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I hate you all why won't you all just lie down and die in my path so I have a comfortable carpet of bodies to walk on
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1 Dec 2006, 12:57
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Guy next door
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Oh Jonny you should go out and turn back all the old funny posters who got fed up of Yahwe and his disciples
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1 Dec 2006, 14:04
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The Twilight of the Gods
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by SilverSmoke
Oh Jonny you should go out and turn back all the old funny posters who got fed up of Yahwe and his disciples
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Yahwe has disciples?
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1 Dec 2006, 12:58
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: London, UK
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I got
desperate attempt to keep shit thread alive x 2. You should think about moving to PB. Yahwe.
That one you have Achilles, is almost definitely from Yahwe. Ignore it.
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1 Dec 2006, 13:33
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Re: I've never been a tryer
sup
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1 Dec 2006, 14:33
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Bored
Join Date: Apr 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
i'm pretty sure it's just Yahwe and Nodrog being shit nowadays...
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1 Dec 2006, 15:40
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue
I like Nod's and Yahwe's posts but I think Yahwe's use of the rep system whilst possibly well intentioned is misguided. However if people aren't big enough to ignore some random rep then that is sad too.
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There's a certain level of maturity required to accept the not-so-random neg rep that people around here like to give. However, as much as we'd like everyone to accept it, it does create an aura of dislike and criticism in the community. I complained about this issue a few months/years ago, and it still prevails. Anything anyone posts is going to be neg repped, criticized and bashed to the ground with something as heavy as idi.
and much of it is thanks to Yahwe.
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1 Dec 2006, 16:23
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I'm who you want me to be
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Yahwe is immensely shit when it comes to repping tbh.
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1 Dec 2006, 16:43
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Most people on here don't play PA.
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1 Dec 2006, 16:43
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Bored
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Re: I've never been a tryer
most people here don't play PA.
actually, I don't know if that's true any more
maybe that is the problem...
EDIT wow jakiri great minds eh
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1 Dec 2006, 16:44
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The Twilight of the Gods
Join Date: Jan 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Ste
EDIT wow jakiri great minds eh
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1 Dec 2006, 16:45
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Registered Awesome Person
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue
Well I think that its silly to suggest that Yahwe could have that much impact.
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He's probably one of the heaviest users of the rep system, and he always attaches a yahwe comment (regulars will know what I mean). You can always spot a Yahwe rep.
Of course, you can just ignore him - although for casual posters his rep altering power is no doubt very frustrating.
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1 Dec 2006, 18:12
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Clerk
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Re: I've never been a tryer
If you want better rep then make better posts.
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1 Dec 2006, 18:16
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Clerk
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
seriously though your post isn't at all helpfull.
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I know. But the point is that if for some reason you do actually care about your "score" on this stupid system then the single easiest way to improve it isn't to whine about it it's to actually make some good posts.
Invariably when I see a thread complaining about the injustices of GD, I struggle to remember a single decent contribution from that person. Perhaps that's just a coincidence though.
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1 Dec 2006, 18:39
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I'm who you want me to be
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: In a flat place, enjoying RL
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Invariably when I see a thread complaining about the injustices of GD, I struggle to remember a single decent contribution from that person. Perhaps that's just a coincidence though.
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It could have something to do with people wandering off once they get slaughtered for even trying to post on here.
Oh no wait, that can't be it, that's just part of this natural GD-environment you seem to adore.
I would neg-rep you for the post you made before this one, cause I feel it was genuinely shit. However, most posts I see of you I quite like, so I guess I won't.
The lesson for most newcomers is easy. If you want decent rep - stay the hell away from GD, unless you were here when it got forged in flames with Yahwe chanting an evil spell while his minions followed the ritual steps.
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1 Dec 2006, 19:13
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I'm who you want me to be
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
i didn't join back then.
the problem with most new posters is that they are infact fairly shit. (hardly suprising given that most people are infact very shit)
it really isn't at all hard to be "accepted". just speak the truth. you're only going to look like a complete wanker when you try to gain "respect" by acting the big man or trying to look like you have a PHD in a subject that you clearly don't.
not everyone who posts on GD is a minion of yahwe. infact half the forums migrated just to get away from him. he's not gd's best poster despite what jbg says and unless he grows up he'll never get close. just speak your mind, don't be afraid to learn, take criticism for what it is and deconstruct your own ego (or someone will do it for you)
it can be a truely cathartic experience.
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I'm well aware of what happened with the Plastic Brilliance thing, yes. I'm not that keen on getting "accepted" either, seeing how most of the light-hearted and (in my opinion) fun posters left due to the way they were being treated.
I'm probably just reading stuff into things that isn't really there though. Some shit people are here, have been here for a long time, and will probably stay here for a very long time aswell. I consider them to be GD-Furniture. I'm just expressing my opinion though, half the forum leaving wasn't enough reason for people to change, so I'm not campaigning in the illusion some guy who just posts here occasionally (like me) could make people realise.
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1 Dec 2006, 19:13
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Registered User
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Location: London
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
also gd is practically dead now so it might not be worth bothering lolz!
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It's only going to get worse when the cold snap kills off all the oldies.
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2 Dec 2006, 03:40
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
not everyone who posts on GD is a minion of yahwe. infact half the forums migrated just to get away from him. he's not gd's best poster despite what jbg says and unless he grows up he'll never get close.
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I don't think yahwe's the best poster on GD. That accolade would probably have to go to T&F.
Anyways things everywhere always decline. However in the spirit of christmas I'm going to let horn, dante and the next poster to post after this post to make one suggestion (and it can't be "ban so and so") for improving the forums.
Edit: sorry misspelt yahwe as so and so
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2 Dec 2006, 18:15
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Old Man O Deh *****s
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: In spelelpee land
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
2: deadmeat and MM to have their mod status revoked until they start posting more (DM has recently upped his post count abit, but not really enough to justify being a mod). the only half decent reason i can see for having mods in the first place** is to remove advertising URL's. to do this properly you need to be active.
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a) I already resigned, but I'm just too valuable and since I'm listed as 'essential personnel' on the Jolt PA stock market list, JJ wouldn't let me go.
b) MM's a mod?
c) I may not post, but who says I'm not active? You?
d) If Dace posted more, I'd post more, as mocking Dace is not only good fun, it's good for the forums and good for me.
e) MM's a mod?
f) MrL being a mod killed GD, in the same way as red algae blooms smother the life out of otherwise healthy areas of water.
g) U R RONG.
h) It's Dead_Meat you half-witted mong.
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2 Dec 2006, 18:27
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Clerk
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
you said something along those lines before in one of these threads. maybe you were too busy playing planetarion like a gay to realise!
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Really? Can you find that post? If I had seen JBG saying Yahwe was our best poster then I would have lost all respect for Jonny as a human being. I certainly would have got rid of my JonnyBGood fanclub membership card. And since said card still takes pride of place in my wallet I can only assume I missed it too.
And who we have as mods is blisfully irrelevant these days.
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2 Dec 2006, 20:22
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Bona Fide Jesus Freak
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In the Word of the Lord
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
If you want better rep then make better posts.
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Better is not very descriptive. Rep is about popularity and writing things that people want to read. People will POS rep a funny post with bad grammar and spelling but a well thought out non-popular view with a single grammatical error will get neg repped to death.
Want pos rep. Find some buddies with some rep and have them give you pos rep as often as possible.
You can also not care about rep and usually end up negative.
Or you can be like me and take pride in getting as much neg rep as possible. I know that nothing ever will make my rep status go green ever again. I could give you all a million dollars and still be red. Not that that will ever happen. So I really stopped caring about getting pos rep and went the other way with it. Like that old expression "Be Good, and If you cannot be good be good at it."
That said I post when I feel the need both in replying and making new threads. As much as the neg reppers have tried to run me off I am still here as intermittant as ever.
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Who the hell gave you posrep you christian fundamentalist?
god is bollox, mkay and you are not discussing it
You're not the voice of Christianity di**head.
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2 Dec 2006, 20:55
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Clerk
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Travler
Better is not very descriptive. Rep is about popularity and writing things that people want to read.
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Well obviously an element of rep is about writing things that people want to read, that's a truism. I want to read funny, interesting things. And so yeah, I pos-rep them. I suppose I should be ashamed of that? Likewise popularity is based on how good your posts have been historically so that's probably true too.
But it's not about people just voting for whoever agrees with them. There's no way of measuring, but I'd guess that in my top 10 most pos-repped posters are Nodrog, Tactictus and JBG. All three of them are rightist libertarians whose ethical stance on certain issues I find pretty much disgusting. But their posting style means I still give them rep - I can respect a good argument even if I disagree with it.
Conversely GK Zhukov receives a certain degree of neg rep from me despite the fact we are both (formally at least) of the same political orientation. Why? Because his posts sometimes get on my nerves.
But you can ignore all that and return to the vast, atheistic conspiracy that's undoubtedly plotting against you.
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1 Dec 2006, 18:25
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I wouldn't worry too much, the entire system is rather silly. I only average 37% +reps, and of those most are to do with my utter depravity, getting erections at the thought of a cummy pregnant britney spears*, rr shagging a mother&daughter, sperm as a face mask etc. Any serious points i make are usually neg repped, i still make them because rep doesn't actually mean much.
*very much cured by looking at her revolting pootang
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1 Dec 2006, 19:25
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue
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alt-tabbing away from cam girls too fast again Milo?
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goddamned stickam
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1 Dec 2006, 19:10
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Poblacht na hÉireann
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I came back here today fully expecting to have to defend my position against a barrage of criticism. Fortunately horn took on the mantle of advocate in my absence and I agree with every post he made. Nonetheless there is one thing I believe he left explicitly unsaid.
Why do we come here? Why do we post? Is it not to exchange ideas with people who share diverse viewpoints on a broad range of subjects? To fight the good fight and defend the ideals we each, individually have. To argue our case even though we may be shouted down.
I certainly don't believe we come here to have our ideas sniped at by craven fools without even the decency to identify themselves. Where is the debate in that? Where is the fun of the argument? The challenge of having to out think your foe?
It isn't there. And when it isn't there this place is quite simply no fun and people will no longer come here. I'm not just making that one up. The evidence is all so painfully apparent.
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1 Dec 2006, 19:14
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Achilles
Why do we come here? Why do we post? Is it not to exchange ideas with people who share diverse viewpoints on a broad range of subjects? To fight the good fight and defend the ideals we each, individually have. To argue our case even though we may be shouted down.
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Wait, this isn't the anti-semitic, pro-paedo forums?
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1 Dec 2006, 19:18
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I ♡ ☠
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Achilles
I certainly don't believe we come here to have our ideas sniped at by craven fools without even the decency to identify themselves. Where is the debate in that? Where is the fun of the argument?
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I don't know about argument, but I just laughed at the phrase "craven fools" so I've got my money's worth for today. Would a :cravenfool: emoticon be feasible?
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1 Dec 2006, 19:22
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Banned
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by Hebdomad
I don't know about argument, but I just laughed at the phrase "craven fools" so I've got my money's worth for today. Would a :cravenfool: emoticon be feasible?
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This is more of a level 16 post which frankly surprises me because I'd always had you down as an odd sort of fellow.
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1 Dec 2006, 19:15
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Banned
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Re: I've never been a tryer
This reminds me of the time I defeated level 29 of the internet. And to a lesser extent when I defeated level 33.
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1 Dec 2006, 19:31
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by horn
this sounds like the kind of attitude that leads to success in this society (and i imagine many others) like someone paralysed after a car crash who just gets on with it. i don't share that attitude and that is why i do infact care about things whether or not there is little i can do about them.
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Now, I would understand the comparison if the only result of being paralysed in a car crash was just that, at some point in your history, you had been paralysed in a car crash. Obviously it isn't.
You can just ignore rep, it doesn't mean anything.
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1 Dec 2006, 20:10
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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eh?
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I think it's easy enough to understand. You're comparing a serious life-changing injury with having a red (or grey) blob next to a piece of text on a part of the forum that you don't even have to visit to get the rest of the functionality of it.
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Originally Posted by horn
people neg repping you does mean something. it means someone wants you to either/or; lessen your rep power, make you feel unwanted, get a visit from dr.paranoia, make it known they dislike you/your post(s). (there are others but these will do for now)
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And this is important, why? It means something because you choose to make it mean something. You're the one who assigns these horrific meanings to it, and I don't see why someone letting you know that they dislike your post(s) is a bad thing - it's what the reputation system is for.
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Originally Posted by horn
i'd also like to point out that those taking the position of "it doesn't matter", are not giving a reason for why we should do away with anonymous neg rep. you're just giving a reason for why we shouldn't ask you to code it.
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I gave my reasons for it at the time. They're almost certainly still in the forum database, I don't really feel the need to make them again as they won't have changed.
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1 Dec 2006, 20:46
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Klaatu barada nikto
Join Date: Mar 2000
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
I gave my reasons for it at the time. They're almost certainly still in the forum database, I don't really feel the need to make them again as they won't have changed.
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Is that because your predictions about how rep would improve the forums have all come true or is it because it's still too early to tell?
Or is it that your reasons were independent of any actual effects?
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1 Dec 2006, 21:35
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The Twilight of the Gods
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Re: I've never been a tryer
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Is that because your predictions about how rep would improve the forums have all come true or is it because it's still too early to tell?
Or is it that your reasons were independent of any actual effects?
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To give a wishy washy answer, "Because I don't feel that the success of the rep system can really be measured". Independent of any actual effects, to give a better one.
I don't feel the rep system we have at the moment is any distance close to being anything than a failure (on GD at least), but that the anonymous aspect of the proceedings aren't really relevent, or at least would be present in an ideal system.
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I fear this thread has become trapped in the horn-Jakiri vortex and is now redundant.
Please evacuate in a calm yet speedy manner.
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Don't worry, I'm not replying to him again.
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1 Dec 2006, 20:57
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nondescript human
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 1,079
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Re: I've never been a tryer
GD has been in a long, slow, terminal decline (in terms of activity) for years now. People inevitably leave message boards after a while, and there hasn't been enough new people coming in to replace them, partly because of the decline of PA itself, party due to the elitism of regulars here. I'm not saying the elitism/negativity is a bad thing - without it this place would probably be a lot more active but full of shit, like most of the internet. So I'm all for negativity when it's directed towards shit posting, though some people like Yahwe go too far.
Oh, and before someone says "people have been saying GD was dead/dying for ages ", that's definitely true, I think I said it myself about 3 years ago (wrongly of course), but I think most people would agree that GD is now, finally, dead. Though now that I've said that, it's probably guaranteed at least another 3 years.
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1 Dec 2006, 20:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: London
Posts: 3,347
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I fear this thread has become trapped in the horn-Jakiri vortex and is now redundant.
Please evacuate in a calm yet speedy manner.
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1 Dec 2006, 20:53
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Clerk
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 13,940
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I think it's mainly because it's been discussed quite frequently and all the arguments (on either "side") have been repeated about every month for the last year. There's really no reason to dredge them all up again here.
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1 Dec 2006, 21:02
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Guy next door
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 4,745
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Re: I've never been a tryer
People can stick by their arguments to support the rep system, they might even be valid in some sense. Still it doesn't take a genius to see people are getting driven away from here as a result of a more negative atmosphere that's being fueled by the reputation system in combination with a couple of twats.
It doesn't fit a purpose to care about negative rep, but obviously a lot of people do. Half of the oldies have been gone because of being fed up of people who take the internet far too seriously, seriously in a warfield kind of way I'm talking about and newcomers get intimidated by very picky gd veterans and their enormous green staff.
We can fill this thread discussing why people shouldn't care about reputation but it will not prevent this board dying out while it might've had some more years to go otherwise.
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1 Dec 2006, 22:54
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Clerk
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 13,940
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSmoke
Still it doesn't take a genius to see people are getting driven away from here as a result of a more negative atmosphere that's being fueled by the reputation system in combination with a couple of twats.
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Maybe, although a lot of that could have been dealt with sometime ago by moderator/admin intervention.
Although, having said that I use the reputation system to insult people all the time, but never on someone who hasn't been here for a while.
More generally though, I don't think you could really have avoided the underlying problem we've developed. The new users (with some notable exceptions) who have arrived within the last year or so just don't really gel with the existing forum atmosphere which has developed (for better or worse). You can't put that down to individual users or the rep system generally.
The newer users tend to be younger, use more AOLisms (or type worse), like linking to more videos and tend to be more emotional and less cynical. And so they do things that what remains of the "hardcore" GDers wouldn't tend to do. Like that guy who posted his science fiction short-story recently. I've got a lot of respect for people who are willing to put their creative products online for strangers to comment on (and to be fair, he wasn't that savaged) but anyone whose been here for a while can see that isn't really the sort of thing that we "do" (yeah, I know there are precedents, but I'm talking generally).
Similarly with people who post threads which are just links to videos (with nothing else). You better make sure the video is damn funny otherwise you will get neg repped, insulted, people saying "old" and so on. Yet that sort of thing is the lifeblood of other forums.
I don't really know what my point was (as usual) but basically we're a bunch of cantakerous old bastards, and as such we're unlikely to attract a lot of new users. Unless it's other cantakerous old bastards who happen to randomly find our forum out there on the internet (lo DDA!).
Oh yeah and I agree with Nondescript Human. If you did a graph of GD activity over the last six years, I'm not convinced that the introduction of rep would be anything more than a blip in the general downward trend.
Oh how I wish I had SQL access to bore people with.
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1 Dec 2006, 23:48
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Klaatu barada nikto
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: St. Paul, Minnesota
Posts: 3,237
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Voting to give Dante SQL access so he can graph GD's inexorable decline.
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1 Dec 2006, 21:32
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Old Man O Deh *****s
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: In spelelpee land
Posts: 3,516
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Re: I've never been a tryer
Before you know it, there'll be a college somewhere in the States offering a degree course in 'Internet Discussion Boards: The Rise and Fall of PAGD'
Then we can have a room full of students shouting at each other about how shit the others are and how great this side of the room is compared with the other, while a group of 'apparent' tutors stand on the sidelines, drinking beer, pointing at different people and laughing.
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1 Dec 2006, 22:16
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Tilting at windmills
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 579
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Re: I've never been a tryer
ITT: Those GD users that are left frantically rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic
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2 Dec 2006, 00:23
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Giddy little...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 145
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I got the following rep from somebody after using your rather than you're:
"you're"
I have since began saying "you are" but typing "you're".
Its really improved my work and internet life. I thank whoever game me that rep every time I remind myself of the grammatical rules regarding the apostrophe.
(any error in this post deserves neg rep)
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2 Dec 2006, 00:47
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Giddy little...
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 145
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Re: I've never been a tryer
I’m going to add a bit to that post because I understand GD’s decline is actually quite a big deal. As a (relatively) new poster arriving at GD is quite daunting. People are quick to get personal, and there’s smart, informed people posting on here. It is frustrating when you click that post button and moments later a reply come mocking the grammar used or your lack of research before hand.
That said, what is rep really? Its not something you can brag about nor something with much use. The only “use” I can see is that it gives the established posters a chance to guide the tone of the board by either removing new posters (“scaring them off with neg rep”) or as a rating of what you can expect to come from the poster,
I’d say if Yahwe did give the rep, and in his opinion the direction the board should be heading is rare, quality posts then its fair enough. He has that “rep power” because he’s written posts you’ve enjoyed and the mods (could have been a vote for all I know) decided the board could benefit from a rep system.
I think too many GD posters expect to be welcomed with open arms regardless of their posts quality. Its not going to happen here.
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