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Unread 29 Apr 2006, 16:52   #1
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[football]End of season news and associated filthy goings-on

So the shit are going down and pompey have played a blinder coming back from 1-0 to 1-2, nice one pompey you are safe \o/
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

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and no football tag?
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

I got banned last night for posting porn ;o well Blues and Pompey give it away!

On topic ste! On topic!
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

could the two be linked?
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

What porn did you post?
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

i would type more but they are still peeling me off the ceiling.
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

WE ARE STAYIN UP, I SAY WE ARE STAYIN UP!

(Ive now had about a dozen texts to this effect from mates, and one of them made £500 backing pompey to stay up at 5/2)
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

If i hear 'i started off with a bad squad and got in some players that really wanted to play and helped us stay up' on the radio one more ****ing time I'm gonna change the station or something.

it's on just about every news bulletin.
They had a good run, and I'm happy they stayed up - sort of sad as I didn't want any of the teams (apart from sunderland) to go down to a huge degree - especially birmingham. I hope they bounce right back up next season.
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

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If i hear 'i started off with a bad squad and got in some players that really wanted to play and helped us stay up' on the radio one more ****ing time I'm gonna change the station or something.

it's on just about every news bulletin.
They had a good run, and I'm happy they stayed up - sort of sad as I didn't want any of the teams (apart from sunderland) to go down to a huge degree - especially birmingham. I hope they bounce right back up next season.
birmingham are a mickey mouse club, as are pompy.

We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too
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birmingham are a mickey mouse club, as are pompy.

We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too
you, sir, are a big fat stupid doo-doo head.
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

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birmingham are a mickey mouse club, as are pompy.

We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too
Unfortunately, average crowd size doesn't keep clubs up.
Scoring goals and not letting them in does.
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Ah Birmingham away next season, I have a feeling that won't end well

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birmingham are a mickey mouse club, as are pompy.

We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too
"United should win the league every year"

Stop talking bollocks moosh.
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We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too
Then what the hell are you doing with the money that comes with those gate receipts??? Wasting it by the looks of things.
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

I'd say £1.5M on Stead was pissing money up the wall, but even if they hadn't - Sunderland never had a hope with their budget.

Birmingham and West Brom are far more guilty of buying duffers for too much money than Sunderland.
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birmingham are a mickey mouse club, as are pompy.

We're bottom of the league, over 33,000 average and set to get close to 50,000 on monday... i may be biased, but if any club should be in the top division is sunderland. Please remember we only have 12 points too

Which still makes you second class citizens compared to Newcastle.

And if big grounds and big attendances mean "Not allowed to be relegated" , how the **** do you explain Leeds?
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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

Take a look at the attendance for Forest Bournemouth this weekend and Forest Yeovil two weeks ago.

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Re: Blues relegated, Pompey are safe!

If some mod would be so willing - could we turn this thread into an "end of season news and rumours and reaction" thread? (with the football tag)
and then you could merge every thread falling under the above headings into this one...?



Anyway, My reason for posting:
Curbishley to leave Charlton at the end of the season.

So, Newcastle? Villa? England???
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tend to agree with jakiri. hes just sounded fed up, think he'll **** off for a year or two then end up at whatever mid level club is in a bit of trouble - bolton, boro, blackburn or something.
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He will be the next villa manager
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From a team nearly challenging for champions league to a team that nearly got relegated, that would be a sensible move.
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well thats what I thought, although DD said that he is announcing some big news on saturday so we will see.

You also must remember that while charlton can achieve mid table mediocraty, villa while an absolute shit team etc can in theory challenge for a top spot. It has the fans, stadium, history, youth team and all it needs is money and a decent manager, two things we are lacking.

IF DD does hand the club over to an invester that = money and a new manager.
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Re: [football]End of season news and associated filthy goings-on

Aston Villa seem to get worse every year. Even last year when they finished seventh or whatever I can't recall them playing well even once. Blackburn on the other hand have Craig "Rubbish club with a rubbish manger" Bellamy and the Immortal Gamst Pedersen. I know where I'd be given the choice. A pub. But that's beside the point as I don't manage a premiership team.
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It has the fans, stadium, history, youth team and all it needs is money and a decent manager, two things we are lacking.
Why do you need a huge fan base to be a successful club? It generates money but seeing as you have very little money anyway having a load of fans isnt helping you, just like Sunderland. The same goes for having a big stadium and i've never worked out how being a big club in the past gives you some god given right to be a big club in the future. It certainly doesnt seem to have helped Nottingham Forest out.

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completly agree hence,

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It has the fans, stadium, history, youth team and all it needs is money and a decent manager, two things we are lacking.

IF DD does hand the club over to an invester that = money and a new manager.
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Re: [football]End of season news and associated filthy goings-on

Birmingham City in Championship?

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You also must remember that while charlton can achieve mid table mediocraty, villa while an absolute shit team etc can in theory challenge for a top spot.
Anyone can in theory challenge for a top spot. Realistically villa have as much chance as fulham and portsmouth.

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So does every club. It's basically the only two important things. Also, see chelsea.
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Chelsea are yet to win the european cup or a significant amount of trophies they arent a success in my eyes for the amount of money they put it.
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Arsenal are going to win the CL and steal our place
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Stop talking bollocks moosh.
and most seasons they do, or another well supported club does.

Big clubs should be in the premier league in my opinion. Perhaps i phrased my comments poorly, but pompy have low crowds, awful training facilities and probably the worst ground in the league (although i didnt go this season)

I also agree with pig in the sense that clubs like villa have the potential to win the league, unlike the charltons, fulhams and pompys of this world...
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Ahem.

Nottingham Forest - went from a smallish club to European Champions in a few years.

The problem with the league at the moment is the money doesn't filter down. The top few clubs will be the top few clubs for the foreseeable future.

In the past a newcomer could come in and stick in the top three for a while and then another and another.

Does anyone fancy predicting who is going to be in the top 5 next season and the season after? It won't be hard
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To be fair the race for 4th and 5th has been quite open this season. If we'd beaten Spurs at White Hart Lane when we totally dmoinated and somehow lost 3-2 we would have been above them now. Bolton have been there or there abouts for most of the season and if Newcastle hadnt had Souness they may well have been pushing for Champions League.
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Why do you need a huge fan base to be a successful club? It generates money but seeing as you have very little money anyway having a load of fans isnt helping you, just like Sunderland. The same goes for having a big stadium and i've never worked out how being a big club in the past gives you some god given right to be a big club in the future. It certainly doesnt seem to have helped Nottingham Forest out.

Villa's best chance of success is to get rid of Doug Ellis.
You need a big fan base to sustain success... 95/96 being an example i suppose. Its possible for a small club to reach the top for a short time, but they can't stay there
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You need a big fan base to sustain success... 95/96 being an example i suppose. Its possible for a small club to reach the top for a short time, but they can't stay there
nonsense.

example:

AZ was for decennia one the smallest clubs of the country, with a stadium of 8k. 3k visitors or something on average.
then some rich chairman came, bought every big talent of the nation, promoted in the 2nd league and ended top4 the following 3 years in the 1st division. last season they reached the semi-finals of the UEFA-cup (missed the finals because moscow scored again in injurytime). this season AZ ended #2, nearly missed CL. the new stadium is almost ready.

with these results, they've built up a big 'fanbase'*. ie people who enjoy seeing a team win every week. succes seems to be guaranteed, atleast for the next 10/20 years or so.




*imo 'fan' is a stupid word for a true supporter of a club. it's not like those people have the club as some kind of idol or whatever, it's just something they feel connected with. it's not a matter of choice. in AZ's case it seems to be the right word though.
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AZ was for decennia one the smallest clubs of the country, with a stadium of 8k. 3k visitors or something on average.
then some rich chairman came, bought every big talent of the nation, promoted in the 2nd league and ended top4 the following 3 years in the 1st division. last season they reached the semi-finals of the UEFA-cup (missed the finals because moscow scored again in injurytime). this season AZ ended #2, nearly missed CL. the new stadium is almost ready.

with these results, they've built up a big 'fanbase'*. ie people who enjoy seeing a team win every week. succes seems to be guaranteed, atleast for the next 10/20 years or so.
What happens when money stops being poured into the team? What happens when the results drop away?

You don't appear to have understood any of this, as per.
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What happens when money stops being poured into the team? What happens when the results drop away?

You don't appear to have understood any of this, as per.

money = results = more money = more results.


the first source isn't necessarily needed in the further process to remain succesful.


maybe this is a bit too abstract for you to directly understand, so i shall come with another example:

AZ's chairman (Dirk Scheringa), threw in a lot of money to get promoted. they played good football, booked success.
sponsors wanted to join in and have a piece. with these new sponsors, he could finance a bigger stadium.
the bigger stadium will make sure AZ's budget grows structurally. with that bigger budget, they can keep buying better players, keep playing at a higher level. even without the chairman that set it all up.
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maybe this is a bit too abstract for you to directly understand
No, you appear to have missed the point that the fanbase will, mostly, only be there when the team is successful. Believe me, I've seen this first hand.
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No, you appear to have missed the point that the fanbase will, mostly, only be there when the team is successful. Believe me, I've seen this first hand.
I'm sure after, oh, maybe fifty years a "natural" fanbase might evolve.
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No, you appear to have missed the point that the fanbase will, mostly, only be there when the team is successful. Believe me, I've seen this first hand.
of course this is true (i've seen it too, at Vitesse for example). but with decent management, a club should never fall back to the level they started at. atleast not in the long term.
i understand this is football. the ball is round and all that, anything is possible. but still i do believe it is very well possible to make a club grow structurally if you pump in a lot of money. it all depends on how you spend it.
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of course this is true (i've seen it too, at Vitesse for example). but with decent management, a club should never fall back to the level they started at. atleast not in the long term.
i understand this is football. the ball is round and all that, anything is possible. but still i do believe it is very well possible to make a club grow structurally if you pump in a lot of money. it all depends on how you spend it.

the club cant sustain itself tho, you need the support to allow for further investment after the initial outlay... i understand thats how mr perez sold real at a profit.

As for your example of AZ, i still think they're some way behind the likes of PSV and even Ajax once Blind gets his finger out...
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