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M_Drudge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:31

This is it. This is where the war is no longer a job for soldiers, and it becomes personal.

The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines, however there IS something called "ratcheting things up a notch or two".

With Iraq's treatment of the POW's and the subsequent posing of their mutilated dead bodies for display (on that bulwart of upstanding reporting, al Jazeera (sp?), in embarrassing positions, their standing in the eyes of the peaceful anti-war community must now be elevated to that of God-like Creatures of Islam.

I will say again, the real face of Saddam Husseign, his regime, and the UNcivilized of the Iraqi population will now be seen.

I am now awaiting the outcry of Human Rights activists here who have been rallying against the US' treatment of al Queda suspects in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, what with those awful 3 square meals of Islamic-adherent food a day, and to actually be ALLOWED to keep breathing.

IF there is no outcry against the Iraqi's for their treatment of POW's, then every single person/administration/country who has lobbied against the US with accusations and the like will lose ALL credibility with common-sense-possessing humans of all stripes.

It is all coming to fruition now. The Iraqi's will go down even harder now. The US only wanted a regime change, but those who had power under Saddam KNOW their lives are about to end. If they want to play the end-game, so be it.

Amoril · 23 Mar 2003, 17:35

They weren't real POW's they were just mock ups using mutton and such like.

at0mic.c0w · 23 Mar 2003, 17:35

what one side is doing doesn't make the actions of the other side any better or just.

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:35

If it is true, (and I have no reason to doubt it) the Iraqi's just made one hell_of_a mistake.

Kurashima · 23 Mar 2003, 17:37

Down in Guan-ta-na-mooooooooo

(Pot , Kettle , Kettle , Pot)

Sandsnake · 23 Mar 2003, 17:38

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Originally posted by Kurashima
Down in Guan-ta-na-mooooooooo

(Pot , Kettle , Kettle , Pot)

not quite...

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:38

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Originally posted by Kurashima
Down in Guan-ta-na-mooooooooo

(Pot , Kettle , Kettle , Pot)

Not exactly the same is it?

The US may be holding prisoners, but they are not executing them out of hand.

Now Grow Up Kura,

M_Drudge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:41

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Originally posted by Judge
Not exactly the same is it?

The US may be holding prisoners, but they are not executing them out of hand.

Now Grow Up Kura,

Careful, Judge. Some ppl here don't take too kindly to criticism.

Another Slayer · 23 Mar 2003, 17:41

damn those Iraqis!
we should declare war on them! that will teach them

oh

at0mic.c0w · 23 Mar 2003, 17:42

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Originally posted by Judge
The US may be holding prisoners, but they are not executing them out of hand.

some have 'accidently' died tho

Amoril · 23 Mar 2003, 17:42

The ratings War on Iraqi TV just got more extreme!

M_Drudge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:43

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Originally posted by Amoril
They weren't real POW's they were just mock ups using mutton and such like.

Have you ever heard of a queef? It's the sound a vagina makes when air is trapped inside of it during hard, pounding sex.

Queefs have more intelligence than you do.

Not a flame, just an astute and accurate observation.

Structural Integrity · 23 Mar 2003, 17:43

does al jazeera have a webby BTW?

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 17:45

no english one, unfortunatly. but after what i have heared in another forum they are planing to bring an english version online until the end of the moneth.

btw, did they kill pows live on tv? i dont think so. i havent seen it yet, but what other people said they showed dead american soldiers who died in battle and some PoWs

Eddie · 23 Mar 2003, 17:47

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Originally posted by Structural Integrity
does al jazeera have a webby BTW?

http://www.aljazeera.net/

They seem to be experiencing some "load issues" at the moment though.

Kurashima · 23 Mar 2003, 17:48

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Originally posted by Judge
Not exactly the same is it?

The US may be holding prisoners, but they are not executing them out of hand.

Now Grow Up Kura,

Right. Now here is the News for those who HAVENT read what the correct report is.

There are four servicement , alive , currently being show on Iraqi TV. There are also multiple dead servicemen , killed during battle , whos bodies have been shown. The US has confirmed that 10 soldiers are missing in Southern Iraq and are attempting to contact their families.

There is no evidence whatsoever except your own hearsay that these people were "Executed" by the Iraqi's. The odds are pretty heavy that any wounds to the body were from the fighting. Yes , they are breaching the Geneva convention by showing them on TV being interviewed, and forcing them to make statements.

Now quit your bollocks propaganda and stick to the facts on this one.

Kurashima · 23 Mar 2003, 17:49

Quote:

Originally posted by M_Drudge
Have you ever heard of a queef? It's the sound a vagina makes when air is trapped inside of it during hard, pounding sex.

Queefs have more intelligence than you do.

Not a flame, just an astute and accurate observation.

(Didnt you get a warning to stick within the rules, and not resort to personal attacks again?)

W · 23 Mar 2003, 17:50

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 17:54

and, btw, im not sure, but doesnt it violate the geneva convention to cut off the water and electricity supply of the 2 million inhabitants of basrar?

Anaximander · 23 Mar 2003, 17:56

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
Careful, Judge. Some ppl here don't take too kindly to criticism.

How very true, M_Drudge.

M_Drudge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:57

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Originally posted by wu_trax
and, btw, im not sure, but doesnt it violate the geneva convention to cut off the water and electricity supply of the 2 million inhabitants of basrar?

That happens when the targets like to cower behind power stations and water pumping stations.

The US Army Corps of Engineers is working around the clock to restore both to Basra, and they are distributing fresh drinking water to residents.

So, the answer is, no.

M_Drudge · 23 Mar 2003, 17:59

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Originally posted by Kurashima
(Didnt you get a warning to stick within the rules, and not resort to personal attacks again?)

Quote:

Not a flame, just an astute and accurate observation.

But I get the picture.

Nusselt · 23 Mar 2003, 18:06

apparently one is a woman, is she fit cause if she is, then you know the iraqis should let her go, but if shes a munter...

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 18:08

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
That happens when the targets like to cower behind power stations and water pumping stations.

The US Army Corps of Engineers is working around the clock to restore both to Basra, and they are distributing fresh drinking water to residents.

So, the answer is, no.

certainly...

Anaximander · 23 Mar 2003, 18:14

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Originally posted by M_Drudge
That happens when the targets like to cower behind power stations and water pumping stations.

The US Army Corps of Engineers is working around the clock to restore both to Basra, and they are distributing fresh drinking water to residents.

So, the answer is, no.

I have heard that the red cross is negotating with both sides, to get water pumping station powered and repaired.

I have also heard, that there are Iraqi soldiers wearing civies, trying to get a good shot before hiding between civilians. That's another reason to avoid street fighting. If you try to get these guys, you will certainly kill innocent aswell.

Emperorn · 23 Mar 2003, 18:18

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Originally posted by M_Drudge

The US will NOT violate Geneva Convention guidelines etc etc.

lol, they have been in violation over a year now. And perhaps your country should bother to ratify the convention before you start whining. (Besides, they are not POWS, they are illegal fighters.)

Saying that the US only wanted a regime change is a fancy way of saying that the US only arbitarily wanted to murder the head of state of another country. What happened to the goal of disarming Iraq btw? Were they being to compliant?

It is not very hard to follow the rules when you are holding all the cards and have nothing to gain from breaking them. Let's not forget that if the United States ever would have been on the brink of REALLY loosing a war, the way Iraq is now, they would have nuked half the world.

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 18:24

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Originally posted by Anaximander
...

check private messages

Deffeh · 23 Mar 2003, 18:36

this thread is testament to why i dislike getting involved in america arguments.

NEWSBOT3 · 23 Mar 2003, 18:38

havent you people learnt to ignore this troll yet...

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 19:00

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Originally posted by Kurashima
Right. Now here is the News for those who HAVENT read what the correct report is.

There are four servicement , alive , currently being show on Iraqi TV. There are also multiple dead servicemen , killed during battle , whos bodies have been shown. The US has confirmed that 10 soldiers are missing in Southern Iraq and are attempting to contact their families.

There is no evidence whatsoever except your own hearsay that these people were "Executed" by the Iraqi's. The odds are pretty heavy that any wounds to the body were from the fighting. Yes , they are breaching the Geneva convention by showing them on TV being interviewed, and forcing them to make statements.

Now quit your bollocks propaganda and stick to the facts on this one.

I just have to, I cannot resist it........... no no must................resist....................must must.

Oh bollox here it is

IT WAS NOT ME THAT POSTED THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE.

Fifth_teletubbie · 23 Mar 2003, 19:10

Where did this idea come from that the dead americans were executed??

I've seen or heard nothing on any media to suggest this. As far as all reports are concerned (even CNN) those soldiers died during battle.

As for the iraqi's making a mistake in showing them, I doubt it. This will actually reinforce resistance both inside and outside iraq to the US.
The Iraqi's might not turn Iraq into another Vietnam, but then they dont have to... they only need to make enough people say it will.

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 19:10

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Originally posted by Kurashima
(Didnt you get a warning to stick within the rules, and not resort to personal attacks again?)

Why is it than whenever you have lost the argument you always resort to the ultimate sanction?

Could it be a penile envy syndrome brought on by a hatred of your Mother/Father......authouritarian fugure?

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 19:14

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Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie

As for the iraqi's making a mistake in showing them, I doubt it. This will actually reinforce resistance both inside and outside iraq to the US.

I think you will find it has the opposite effect on the US/UK Public and Military.

I for one find it abhorent that the Iraqi's can display dead soldiers as if they are trophies.

Structural Integrity · 23 Mar 2003, 19:15

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Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie
Where did this idea come from that the dead americans were executed??

I've seen or heard nothing on any media to suggest this. As far as all reports are concerned (even CNN) those soldiers died during battle.

I quote the frontpage of www.CNN.com (the upperright block)

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Al-Jazeera TV receives video of U.S. soldiers killed, some appear shot in forehead

Obviously they think they were executed. Or they think that the Iraqis are quite good marksmen.

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 19:18

is cnn yet part of rupert "göbbels" murdoch's empire?

Structural Integrity · 23 Mar 2003, 19:20

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Originally posted by wu_trax
is cnn yet part of rupert "göbbels" murdoch's empire?

I know, but since we all lack a better newssource that is updated regulary, we have to take it for granted.

Sub · 23 Mar 2003, 19:23

Didn't some prisoners die in American interrogation recently? Or was this thread meant to be ironic?

wu_trax · 23 Mar 2003, 19:24

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Originally posted by Structural Integrity
I know, but since we all lack a better newssource that is updated regulary, we have to take it for granted.

im not sure if its cnn or fox. the truth doesnt matter anymore anyways. its all about what people on both sides think is right. there wont be any reliable news at all until the war is over, and even then it will take some time.

Kurashima · 23 Mar 2003, 19:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Judge
Why is it than whenever you have lost the argument you always resort to the ultimate sanction?

Could it be a penile envy syndrome brought on by a hatred of your Mother/Father......authouritarian fugure?

You aim a response at me , then say "It wasnt me" when i respond.

You defend the actions of others, even when they themselves have admitted they understand what im saying.

Youre the ultimate example on the boards of Devils Advocate. Youll argue any point for any reason solely to be seen to score points , even when what youre saying and doing it absoloutely wrong. Its like Nod , but without ever providing any evidence to back up your points.

Youre really starting to piss me off.

Nusselt · 23 Mar 2003, 19:44

the DF3 forums have stills of the dead soilders and pics of the caputred ones, i was going to post a direct link but i assume id be banned or something, anyways its in the DF3 chat forum the thread with the graphics warning (for those of you who like me cant get the pics due to net traffic on other sites)

JonnyBGood · 23 Mar 2003, 19:50

**** happens. Deal with it. Something like this was obviously going to happen.

CrashTester · 23 Mar 2003, 19:51

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Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie
Where did this idea come from that the dead americans were executed??

The bullet holes in their foreheads perhaps?

Fifth_teletubbie · 23 Mar 2003, 19:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Structural Integrity
I quote the frontpage of www.CNN.com (the upperright block)

Obviously they think they were executed. Or they think that the Iraqis are quite good marksmen.

Being shot in the head is actually one of the most common fatal wounds. Consider the target profile of a soldier facing his enemy and trading fire; he will be either behind cover with only his head and rifle showing, or lying prone on the ground.

Kåre Willoch · 23 Mar 2003, 19:59

Maybe the reason why they show the soldiers is that if they hadn't the Americans could go on denying they were captured/killed.

Interestingly it was not seen as a breaking of any rules when pictures of surrendering Iraqis were sent out to the world. Exactly the same rule-breaking, but different wrongdoer, so nothing to worry about of course...

Torz · 23 Mar 2003, 20:05

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Originally posted by Kåre Willoch

Interestingly it was not seen as a breaking of any rules when pictures of surrendering Iraqis were sent out to the world. Exactly the same rule-breaking, but different wrongdoer, so nothing to worry about of course...

It's amusing/sad how your anti Americanism can stretch so far.

CrashTester · 23 Mar 2003, 20:05

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Originally posted by Kåre Willoch

Interestingly it was not seen as a breaking of any rules when pictures of surrendering Iraqis were sent out to the world. Exactly the same rule-breaking, but different wrongdoer, so nothing to worry about of course...

You will find that any footage shown of Iraqi POW's is either from a distance or just footage of them surrendering (not dead soldiers, they are not paraded in from of a camera as a way of gloating, which is what I think breaks the Geneva convention.

Akallabeth · 23 Mar 2003, 20:33

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Originally posted by Structural Integrity
I know, but since we all lack a better newssource that is updated regulary, we have to take it for granted.

www.reuters.com

Dante Hicks · 23 Mar 2003, 20:41

Someone at Reuters has a sense of humour :

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"That's a violation of the Geneva Convention, those pictures you showed," he said of the international law on treatment of prisoners of war, which he said prohibits the photographing or interrogation by media of those captured in battle.

Pictures of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to U.S.-led forces in that last few days have been features prominently on U.S. television and in newspapers.
----

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2432158

Cmdr_Cyrax · 23 Mar 2003, 20:43

Its not the soldiers fault!
They didnt know the iraqis would be trying to kill them.

p.s. I'm waiting for the reports of american soldiers raping and pilaging 'liberated' iraqis, as was a chaacteristic of their other conflicts etc.....

Judge · 23 Mar 2003, 20:54

Hope you like the new Sig Kura?