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So, Shock and Awe begins..
16.45 US orders CNN news reporters to leave Baghdad.
B52's over baghdad within an hour.
Damn, I wish I wasnt going out tonight I wanted to watch it 
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21 Mar 2003, 18:23
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Oh.
Popcorn time.
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21 Mar 2003, 18:24
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yep, here it goes. I was getting hopeful after the first day, but apparently they're running into resistance now, so they're going to "remind" the iraqi government what it feels like to be shot at.
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21 Mar 2003, 18:25
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BANG BANG BANG BANG
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21 Mar 2003, 18:32
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BANG BANG BANG BANG
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21 Mar 2003, 18:32
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SHOW ME THE MOAB!
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21 Mar 2003, 18:34
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SHOW ME THE MOAB!
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Yeah man, apparently they have them loaded in their arsenal.
I need a TV to watch...
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21 Mar 2003, 18:37
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Originally posted by CrashTester
Yeah man, apparently they have them loaded in their arsenal.
I need a TV to watch...
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21 Mar 2003, 18:43
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Yeah man, apparently they have them loaded in their arsenal.
I need a TV to watch...
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Perhaps you're lucky and watch live a group of Iraqi soldiers hacking of the head of American/Brit soldier that had been roasted a bit with some burning oil before. First the screams and later all the squirting blood. What a fun.
Ah no, the reporter is next damn....
You ppl are disgusting.
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21 Mar 2003, 18:52
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Why is it that, (or so it seems) American and allies lives are more worth then the Iraqis? That stupid 'copter crash, why did it get so much attention? My god, its only 12 ****ing invaders!
Thats nothing, in the grand scheme of things! And if they had stayed home, they would have been alive. But, they choose to fight for their country, and WOAH, they died? Can somebody DIE in a war? ITS SO ****ING HORRIBLE!
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21 Mar 2003, 18:56
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Originally posted by Torz
SHOW ME THE MOAB!
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21 Mar 2003, 19:07
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Originally posted by Snurx
Why is it that, (or so it seems) American and allies lives are more worth then the Iraqis? That stupid 'copter crash, why did it get so much attention? My god, its only 12 ****ing invaders!
Thats nothing, in the grand scheme of things! And if they had stayed home, they would have been alive. But, they choose to fight for their country, and WOAH, they died? Can somebody DIE in a war? ITS SO ****ING HORRIBLE!
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if the guy next door to me dies, you wouldn't care. If the guy next door to YOU dies, it's a shame. If it's your mother, it's a tragedy (usually).
Do you see the pattern yet?
And I don't think they'll be using MOAB's anywhere near iraqi cities...however the opening sequence was pretty damn impressive.
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21 Mar 2003, 19:09
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Originally posted by Sandsnake
if the guy next door to me dies, you wouldn't care. If the guy next door to YOU dies, it's a shame. If it's your mother, it's a tragedy (usually).
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I see the pattern, but i do not agree. Its a war, and therefore, the circumstances are different. Of course, that depends on the people you ask, and therefore, your pattern is correct. (Sadly, in my eyes.)
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21 Mar 2003, 19:16
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I see the pattern, but i do not agree. Its a war, and therefore, the circumstances are different. Of course, that depends on the people you ask, and therefore, your pattern is correct. (Sadly, in my eyes.)
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no, it's rather normal. Humans must be able to assign importance based on relationships to ourselves otherwise we would be torn with grief over everything.
We care more about our own because they are exactly that. Interestingly, we've come a long way from "kill them all and let God sort em out" however. The fact that we assign importance to "oustiders" at all is a major step in the right direction.
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21 Mar 2003, 19:21
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Re: So, Shock and Awe begins..
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Originally posted by CrashTester
16.45 US orders CNN news reporters to leave Baghdad.
B52's over baghdad within an hour.
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afaik, it was the Iraqui gov't, not the US, that ordered CNN to leave Baghdad
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21 Mar 2003, 19:22
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So how long do you all think the war will last?...
Another hour or two?
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21 Mar 2003, 19:29
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Re: Re: So, Shock and Awe begins..
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afaik, it was the Iraqui gov't, not the US, that ordered CNN to leave Baghdad
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Because they said the Iraq is about to use chemical weapons.
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21 Mar 2003, 19:31
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Re: Re: Re: So, Shock and Awe begins..
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Because they said the Iraq is about to use chemical weapons.
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21 Mar 2003, 19:32
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Re: Re: Re: Re: So, Shock and Awe begins..
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alright...never heard that, thanks. But that leaves the question, why is there still an ITV reporter there? Do the Brits not care if their reporters are killed?
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21 Mar 2003, 19:52
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MORE DEATH AND KILLING THINGS, DESTRUCTION RAMPAGE OWNAGE PWNAGE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
This tactic is about as usefull as dropping the a-bomb on japan, and this statement will reveal people that know their history.
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21 Mar 2003, 19:59
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This tactic is about as usefull as dropping the a-bomb on japan, and this statement will reveal people that know their history.
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oh and dropping the bomb on Japan worked, regardless of anyone's opinions on the morality of such a decision.
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21 Mar 2003, 20:00
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We care more about our own because they are exactly that.
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US and UK soldiers in Iraq right now are murderers illegally invading a sovereign state and nothing whatsoever to do with me. I come from a military family going back generations and I've been proud of that fact, right now I'm ashamed of it.
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21 Mar 2003, 20:07
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gayle29uk
US and UK soldiers in Iraq right now are murderers illegally invading a sovereign state and nothing whatsoever to do with me. I come from a military family going back generations and I've been proud of that fact, right now I'm ashamed of it.
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not yer fault
blame this guys that pay no heed to theyr brethren
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21 Mar 2003, 20:30
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Originally posted by Muslim
not yer fault
blame this guys that pay no heed to theyr brethren
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you mean like the types that ignore saddam for 12 years while he spends his country's funds on building palaces and monuments to himself instead of using it to feed his people?
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21 Mar 2003, 20:48
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sandsnake
if they were trying to break the spirit of the Iraqi people, sure, but they're trying to break the spirit of the regime's infrastructure. When waging war against a people as a whole, city-bombing doesn't work. However this is a new concept that is being tested where you make it very, very clear that you can get the leadership anywhere at any time and let THEM make the decisions.
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God you missed the point further then the average american soldier, the point is not why they are bombing or IF it has effect, the point is that you cannot justify this bombing for the added effect it will have.
The war was already won before it started, nobody doubts the iraqi will do more damage to the US then the average six year old can. Then why bomb on such a large scale? Are those few days you might gain worth the extra damage in lifes and property?
The answer is quite simply no, and the parallel between the bombs on japan is very real. The war would have been won in a short period back then, the only reason the US nuked japan is because the russians wanted to join the war on japan as well and they didn't want them to have any control over japan as soon as the war was over.
Grand overall big picture conclusion: bombing on this scale is unneccessary, the effects and reasons are not doubted, but the gains do not outweigh the costs. I'm sure you don't agree with me, but at least in 50 years I can switch on Discovery Channel and see a documentary explaining how the shockbombing was the second most unneccessary american tactic in the history of warfware.
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21 Mar 2003, 20:49
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Just because its illegal, doesnt make it unjust.
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So when I kill you because you are a complete and utter twat I won't get convicted because I was just in my actions?
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Quote:
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US and UK soldiers in Iraq right now are murderers illegally invading a sovereign state and nothing whatsoever to do with me. I come from a military family going back generations and I've been proud of that fact, right now I'm ashamed of it.
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It is not their fault. They did not sign up knowing they were going to fight in an illegal war, and there is nothing they can do about it now.
p.s. it is not illegal.
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Originally posted by LHC
It is not their fault. They did not sign up knowing they were going to fight in an illegal war, and there is nothing they can do about it now.
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History has shown that following orders is no defence against war crimes. Anyone refusing to go to Iraq would indeed be arrested and tried by court martial but a good defence lawyer familiar with military law ( Gilbert Blades would kill for such a case and would win it) could easily demonstrate the invasion had no legal authority and therefore anyone obeying orders to attack would be guilty of war crimes and as such the order was illegal.
Dream on, we've had this argument several times.
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21 Mar 2003, 21:58
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History has shown that following orders is no defence against war crimes. Anyone refusing to go to Iraq would indeed be arrested and tried by court martial
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In a democracy, responsibility for the actions of the military lies clearly and entirely on the citizenship as a whole.
It is quite detestable for someone to order someone else to commit a certain act with the alternative being spending the rest of his life in prison, and then claim that he is responsible for committing the act. Above and beyond hypocrisy.
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Its almost close to the complete carpet bombing that I was hoping for.
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Re: So, Shock and Awe begins..
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16.45 US orders CNN news reporters to leave Baghdad.
B52's over baghdad within an hour.
Damn, I wish I wasnt going out tonight I wanted to watch it
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Why would you want to watch it? Do you get off on watching people get killed?
I'm hoping there is minimal loss of life all the way around. According to reports, the coalition forces have already lost more people than the Iraqi's are admitting to losing, so some of you are getting what you want.
We should all desire soldiers from both sides to be spared, God willing, and I think, if anyone is going to do something like this under the Laws of Land Warfare and in a humane manner, the US and UK will do so, in such a way as to minimize loss of life on both sides.
I think the way this action is handled will go a long way towards healing wounds between the coalition countries and those opposed.
Of course, this all remains to be seen...
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21 Mar 2003, 22:27
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i dont care if the world blows up anymore :/ the first riots have started in egypt and yemen.
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i dont care if the world blows up anymore :/ the first riots have started in egypt and yemen.
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It's all about control, wu_trax. The people "rioting" are either misguided "anti-war" protestors who hate "organized" military violence, but adhere to a strict policy of being loose-cannon types on the streets and don't mind that form of violence, OR they are strict adherents to radical Muslim faith, and they see the possibility of a free Iraq as frightening.
Either way, whatever happens, I'm sorry you have given-up on the world. Personally, I think we have an opportunity to move ahead and make things even better, but that's just my sunny disposition.
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It's all about control, wu_trax. The people "rioting" are either misguided "anti-war" protestors who hate "organized" military violence, but adhere to a strict policy of being loose-cannon types on the streets and don't mind that form of violence, OR they are strict adherents to radical Muslim faith, and they see the possibility of a free Iraq as frightening.
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Either way, whatever happens, I'm sorry you have given-up on the world. Personally, I think we have an opportunity to move ahead and make things even better, but that's just my sunny disposition.
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what exactly do you want to 'make better' ? let people make things better on their own, because most likely they dont want you to help them by blowing up a whole country.
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[b]they are not 'fanatic' muslims, not yet, but they will become fanatics and more and more will follow them, the longer the war lasts.
what exactly do you want to 'make better' ? let people make things better on their own, because most likely they dont want you to help them by blowing up a whole country.
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Please explain, who is blowing-up a whole country? Seriously, do you know something nobody else does? Seems to me the coalition forces are showing tremendous restraint in their conduct of this campaign.
Care to share what's not on the air?
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US and UK soldiers in Iraq right now are murderers illegally invading a sovereign state and nothing whatsoever to do with me. I come from a military family going back generations and I've been proud of that fact, right now I'm ashamed of it.
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Your concept of whats right an wrong in this matter is simply an opinion. Nice to hear but no more and no less than opinion.
After the sacrifices past generations have made on your behalf Would be interesting if you had the chance to sit with them an explain for what resons you should be ashamed of them.
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oh, and blowing up a raffinery in iran certainly wont help the situation neither.
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Please explain, who is blowing-up a whole country? Seriously, do you know something nobody else does? Seems to me the coalition forces are showing tremendous restraint in their conduct of this campaign.
Care to share what's not on the air?
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yes, shooting a few hundred cruise missles on iraq + bombing with b-52-bombers certainly is a sign of 'tremendous restraint', and ofc, all targets have been checked before the attack.
hell, they coud just nuke them if they would really want to. 
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i dont care if the world blows up anymore :/ the first riots have started in egypt and yemen.
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Of course you care, you may feel doom an gloom because you disagree with what is happening, but have faith that the world is in general improving an will be a better place for everyone to live dispite some minor setbacks every now an then.
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History has shown that following orders is no defence against war crimes. Anyone refusing to go to Iraq would indeed be arrested and tried by court martial but a good defence lawyer familiar with military law (Gilbert Blades would kill for such a case and would win it) could easily demonstrate the invasion had no legal authority and therefore anyone obeying orders to attack would be guilty of war crimes and as such the order was illegal.
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Interesting hypothesis. If true, why are you not rallying for Saddam to be tried for "war crimes" for his invasion of the sovereign nation of Kuwait in 1991? Or for the numerous other leaders of countries who have done exactly the same thing in the last 50 years?
Why not charge the US for their entry into Afghanistan?
Why are you not crying just as loudly for Osama bin Laden to be tried for his crimes against the United States?
I see these kinds of arguments all the time. They are like fluffy warm robes after a hot shower on a cold day. Just the thing to wrap around yourself when you have nothing truly competent or enlightening to add to a conversation.
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yes, shooting a few hundred cruise missles on iraq + bombing with b-52-bombers certainly is a sign of 'tremendous restraint', and ofc, all targets have been checked before the attack.
hell, they coud just nuke them if they would really want to.
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I'm a bit shocked that you would ask that the coalition "check" valid military targets before striking them. Let's be frank here. If even ONE civilian had been killed as of yet, don't you think there would have been a huge outcry? Don't you think the Iraqi Propaganda machine would have let the liberal press (read BBC/Reuters/ad nauseum) know what happened and added the obligatory 95% civilian casualties to the total?
Naivete seems to be a wrinkled suit on you.
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Originally posted by M_Drudge
Why are you not crying just as loudly for Osama bin Laden to be tried for his crimes against the United States?
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Why aren't YOU calling for those involved in the Rwandan genocides to be imprisoned? Why aren't you calling for child murderers to be put in prison? Why aren't you calling for members of the IRA to be brought to justice....etc.
This sort of argument is silly. I'm sure Gayle (and others in this thread) DO want Saddam Hussein to be tried for war crimes. They also want Bin Laden brought to justice. But that's not what this thread is about.
They also don't bother making threads calling for Bin Laden to be arrested because there is no-one on this forum who defends him. There are however people who will defend George W Bush (not comparing the two men you understand) and therefore that's why you will find posts criticsing him.
Controversy (e.g. George W Bush is a war criminal) = Posts
Obvious non-controversy (e.g. Hitler was a war criminal) = Lack of Posts
(ps. I know do not feed the trolls, but there are also genuine people who use this argument)
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21 Mar 2003, 22:59
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Originally posted by M_Drudge
I'm a bit shocked that you would ask that the coalition "check" valid military targets before striking them. Let's be frank here. If even ONE civilian had been killed as of yet, don't you think there would have been a huge outcry? Don't you think the Iraqi Propaganda machine would have let the liberal press (read BBC/Reuters/ad nauseum) know what happened and added the obligatory 95% civilian casualties to the total?
Naivete seems to be a wrinkled suit on you.
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i dont 'ask' for that, its just what Mr. Rumsfeld said. propaganda++
and how could there be an outcry if we dont even get notice of it? both sides use the media for their propaganda, and dont tell your 'liberal' press is free to move, they are controlled by your military. they call that 'embedded teams' nowadays i think.
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21 Mar 2003, 23:11
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Originally posted by M_Drudge
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Don't be ridiculous. Of course I believe the 'bad guys' should be tried and convicted for their crimes under the law. The problem is we're acting in breach of international law and using 'might is right' as our justification.
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I see these kinds of arguments all the time. They are like fluffy warm robes after a hot shower on a cold day. Just the thing to wrap around yourself when you have nothing truly competent or enlightening to add to a conversation.
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Um...no. I firmly believe Blades really would win a case along those lines, he knows military law better than the forces lawyers do and he's also a specialist in human rights cases. So, given that you've probably never even HEARD of him (whereas I've met him) I feel moderately secure in the belief that MY contribution was more enlightening than YOUR contribution.
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21 Mar 2003, 23:19
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Originally posted by Gayle29uk
[b]Don't be ridiculous. Of course I believe the 'bad guys' should be tried and convicted for their crimes under the law. The problem is we're acting in breach of international law and using 'might is right' as our justification.
Um...no. I firmly believe Blades really would win a case along those lines, he knows military law better than the forces lawyers do and he's also a specialist in human rights cases. So, given that you've probably never even HEARD of him (whereas I've met him) I feel moderately secure in the belief that MY contribution was more enlightening than YOUR contribution.
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I won't argue about this Blades character,...however, I WILL argue about whether or not the US is in violation of international law.
The UN resolutions are pretty clear, and for anyone to believe that the US would do this in violation of international law is preposterous, nay, absurd.
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21 Mar 2003, 23:22
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Originally posted by M_Drudge
I won't argue about this Blades character,...however, I WILL argue about whether or not the US is in violation of international law.
The UN resolutions are pretty clear, and for anyone to believe that the US would do this in violation of international law is preposterous, nay, absurd.
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'pretty clear' ?????
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