Cannabis Debate

[Deffeh]

there is no point in smoking cannabis alone, its just pathetic tbh. I see no reason why it isnt as socially frowned upon as drinking alone.

Oh, that and the fact that the effects of cannabis are highly overexaggerated on the internet, on TV, and from most peoples second hand stories. Its a different feeling, but in general, there is no real difference from being moderately drunk.

[Snurx]

That depends on what type of cannabis, just as different types of alkohol has different effects.
I mean, the difference between weed and hash is pretty big, and different types of weed gives different effects. Plus, you got skunk/pot and all that too.
Also, the effects are different from each and every person, everybody got a uniqe tolerance for different things, and thus, different effects.

Smoking cannabis alone is not neccesarily bad, as it is a exelent painkiller, for instance. It's the best cure for hangovers that i've found, for example.
Smoking to get to the floor alone is stupid. But smoking alone is not different from taking a paracet alone. If that's why you're using it, of course.

[Kumnaa]

The affects of cannabis arent the same as alcohol and I dont see why smoking it alone is frowned apon. Smoking a cigarette alone is allowed and for most cannabis users both situations are the same. Most people dont smoke weed to get ****ed (teenagers/students not included ofc)

And yes the cons of smoking weed out weigh the pros no matter what any pot head tells you.

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

Originally posted by Dante Hicks
Smoking canabis in moderation is not particularly bad for your health, and brings pleasure to many. It's effects (positive or negative) aren't particularly more dramatic than a nights drinking.

Not quite, didums.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally posted by Cmdr_Cyrax
Not quite, didums.

Cannabis 'worse than tobacco'

Did you READ my post? Where the hell did I compare tobacco to cannabis?

A nights drinking (which is what actually I did compare it to) can land you up in hospital (and does, regularly) and indeed causes many, many deaths per annum. In addition, the long term effects are pretty bad. If anything, I was underplaying the dangers of alcohol.

Smoking cannabis probably does increase your chance of dying of lung cancer slightly. Eating red meat increases your chance of dying of heart disease. Both of them I'd say weren't particular risks to your health though. Binge drinking (which is the analogy I bring up) definitely is, in the short and long term.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally posted by Dante Hicks
Cannabis 'worse than tobacco'

Did you READ my post? Where the hell did I compare tobacco to cannabis?

A nights drinking (which is what actually I did compare it to) can land you up in hospital (and does, regularly) and indeed causes many, many deaths per annum. In addition, the long term effects are pretty bad. If anything, I was underplaying the dangers of alcohol.

Smoking cannabis probably does increase your chance of dying of lung cancer slightly. Eating red meat increases your chance of dying of heart disease. Both of them I'd say weren't particular risks to your health though. Binge drinking (which is the analogy I bring up) definitely is, in the short and long term.

Ban salt! All newspapers owned by the government! All power to the communes!

[Dante Hicks]

Originally posted by JonnyBGood
Ban salt! All newspapers owned by the government! All power to the communes!

Commie #1 : After the revolution, everyone will eat strawberries and cream.
Commie #2 : But...comrade, I don't like strawberries and cream.
Commie #1 : After the revolution, everyone will eat strawberries and cream.

p.s. I like salt.
p.p.s. All power to the soviets.

[Kumnaa]

I havent had anything to smoke for 3 weeks today \o/

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
The affects of cannabis arent the same as alcohol and I dont see why smoking it alone is frowned apon. Smoking a cigarette alone is allowed and for most cannabis users both situations are the same. Most people dont smoke weed to get ****ed (teenagers/students not included ofc)

thats retarded. Its an illegal drug used to give pleasure. and most people dont use it to "get ****ed"? absolute bull****. Thats like only eating half of a pie because i was eating it for the taste rather than because i was hungry.

If you dont smoke cannabis to get "stoned", theres even less point than usual. Thats just as pointless as smoking a fag. (Which i frown upon too, fag smoking is beyond me, and fag smoking alone is just.. word.)

Cannabis and alcohol dont give identical feelings but its one of the same really. They both make you stupider, slurrier, less coordinated, things are funnier, etc.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
thats retarded. Its an illegal drug used to give pleasure. and most people dont use it to "get ****ed"? absolute bull****. Thats like only eating half of a pie because i was eating it for the taste rather than because i was hungry.

If you dont smoke cannabis to get "stoned", theres even less point than usual. Thats just as pointless as smoking a fag. (Which i frown upon too, fag smoking is beyond me, and fag smoking alone is just.. word.)

Cannabis and alcohol dont give identical feelings but its one of the same really. They both make you stupider, slurrier, less coordinated, things are funnier, etc.

I have been a regular cannabis smoker for the last 6 years, I dont smoke so I pass out surrounded by pretty colours, I smoke to relax after work and to chill over the weekend, 90% of the people I know are the same.

As with alcohol, theres a difference betweeen havng 12 pints after work each night and having a couple. Most people who have grown past being a student dont have 12 pints/spliffs every night.

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
I have been a regular cannabis smoker for the last 6 years, I dont smoke so I pass out surrounded by pretty colours, I smoke to relax after work and to chill over the weekend, 90% of the people I know are the same.

As with alcohol, theres a difference betweeen havng 12 pints after work each night and having a couple. Most people who have grown past being a student dont have 12 pints/spliffs every night.

i completely and utterly fail to see the point. Fags / Cannabis makes you smell disgusting, makes your breath taste disgusting.

Fags have no point.

Cannabis however, can be smoked in degrees to cause various effects. Im not saying you should be lying in a hospital bed to have "experienced" it, but surely if your going to go to the trouble, the cost, and the effort of smoking cannabis, not forgetting the fact your breaking the law in most countries, you might as well cause an effect on yourself to some degree.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
i completely and utterly fail to see the point. Fags / Cannabis makes you smell disgusting, makes your breath taste disgusting.

Fags have no point.

Cannabis however, can be smoked in degrees to cause various effects. Im not saying you should be lying in a hospital bed to have "experienced" it, but surely if your going to go to the trouble, the cost, and the effort of smoking cannabis, not forgetting the fact your breaking the law in most countries, you might as well cause an effect on yourself to some degree.

"and most people dont use it to "get ****ed"? absolute bull****. "

i was pointing out the fact that you were wrong, tis all

[Deffeh]

this is when you bring out your oh so macho definition of "****ed" in drugs terms being when your paraletic or close to death

i meant "****ed" to mean when the drugs, or when alcohol takes an effect. not just tipsy, or dizzy, but drunk, or stoned.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
this is when you bring out your oh so macho definition of "****ed" in drugs terms being when your paraletic or close to death

i meant "****ed" to mean when the drugs, or when alcohol takes an effect. not just tipsy, or dizzy, but drunk, or stoned.

thats what i mean, most weed smokers over the age of 23 smoke to relax rather than get stoned. Cannabis is a misunderstood drug by non smokers. People immediately think "Its an illegal drug, when you use it you become incoherent and starting stealing things" which simple isnt true.

[Snurx]

You can't even compare cannabis to alkohol, as the effects are waay to different. It would be like comparing pizza whit milk, it's simply too stupid.
Sorry deff

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Snurx
You can't even compare cannabis to alkohol, as the effects are waay to different. It would be like comparing pizza whit milk, it's simply too stupid.
Sorry deff

he is simply not wise to the world of drugs, life experience will teach him in time

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Snurx
You can't even compare cannabis to alkohol, as the effects are waay to different. It would be like comparing pizza whit milk, it's simply too stupid.
Sorry deff

Drowsiness?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Poor co-ordination?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Slurriness of speech?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Slower?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Able to drive when under influence?

Cannabis: No
Alcohol: No



oh look, a large number of accurate comparisons

sorry snurx.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
some uninformed comparisons

have you ever smoked weed on a regular basis or at all ?

[LHC]

I don't know what i smoked, but after that night I am certain that cannabis is bad and alcohol is infinitely superior.

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
thats what i mean, most weed smokers over the age of 23 smoke to relax rather than get stoned. Cannabis is a misunderstood drug by non smokers. People immediately think "Its an illegal drug, when you use it you become incoherent and starting stealing things" which simple isnt true.

And where the hell is there a difference between "relaxed" "stoned" and "****ed" ?

To relax, i sit in a ****ing chair. Or take off my jacket.

Now here you have crossed two lines.

I presume you are either 23 or 24, because youve used a strange defining line, usually done by people trying to distance themselves from others in a condescending manner.

Congratulations, your an agist.

Also you presume im a non smoker. I was retarded enough to smoke cigarettes when i was younger, thankfully i snapped out of it. Part of the reason was that now im slightly older, cannabis is easier to attain. I smoke dope when im at parties, and i smoke whatever i have to a point where i stop, or i smoke other peoples stuff. or we share, you get the point.

Claiming your precious little drug is misunderstood is laughable.

And i didnt say it makes you steal things. But it does make you incoherent, and it does make you stupider. Just like alcohol.

Originally posted by Kumnaa
he is simply not wise to the world of drugs, life experience will teach him in time

Go **** yourself you pretentious wank

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
have you ever smoked weed on a regular basis or at all ?

Yes, and yes. The last time? Four or five nights ago at a party.

I dont see it as a boast, i dont see it as anything special. Talking about alcohol is bad enough, but talking about dope is just ****.


Some "uninformed comparisons".

Yeah, right. Im beginning to wonder if someones been selling you Oxo cubes for six years

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
*ramble*

Smoking weed at parties in no way what so ever makes you know about the drug in any way.

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
Smoking weed at parties in no way what so ever makes you know about the drug in any way.

whereas not answering anything properly and being a smug twat means you know everything, of course.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
whereas not answering anything properly and being a smug twat means you know everything, of course.

im not going to contiue this as its both off-topic and you clearly dont know much about cannabis

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
whereas not answering anything properly and being a smug twat means you know everything, of course.

what do you want answered ? as a seasoned smoker I will be glad to help

[Deffeh]

no, your not going to continue it because you cant. You cant argue with me, because you think the DF3 "your wrong but i wont say why but i can honest mister" approach is working for you.

As it stands in this thread, i appear to know more about cannabis than you, as you arent willing to impart your "knowledge"

I suppose i have to sit alone in a dark room and smoke cannabis to "know anything about it".

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
no, your not going to continue it because you cant. You cant argue with me, because you think the DF3 "your wrong but i wont say why but i can honest mister" approach is working for you.

As it stands in this thread, i appear to know more about cannabis than you, as you arent willing to impart your "knowledge"

I suppose i have to sit alone in a dark room and smoke cannabis to "know anything about it".

dude you're going off on one, theres no need to get worked up, let me help you understand

[Snurx]

Originally posted by Deffeh
Drowsiness?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Poor co-ordination?

Cannabis: no
Alcohol: Yes

Slurriness of speech?

Cannabis: no
Alcohol: Yes

Slower?

Cannabis: Yes
Alcohol: Yes

Able to drive when under influence?

Cannabis:yes
Alcohol: No

I just put a no where i thought it would fit. Of course this is the effects i feel, and they are in no way universal.
Some more comparisons. Also, it depends on how much i've smoked. But, now im talking about how much i usually smoke.

Drunk people absoluteley CANT listen to music. They just go over, turn the speakers on full, and let it skar and make awfull noises and stuff. While high/stoned, i always play the music in a softer way, just beacause i listen more, and pay more attention to detail.

Drunk people figth all the time. I've been in countless figths while drunk, NONE while stoned. Not one. And im pretty "aggresive", im told.

Drunk people can't talk properly. I can, almost no matter how stoned i am.

Drunk people usually get sick the day after, and often while drinking too. People who smoke cannabis usually feel better, more relaxed and less painfull. It's the best painkiller i know.
Mixing the two, thought, (for me at least, when i've been drinking before smoking) usually gives me a type of sickness.

Drunk people are always stupid. When you're smoking, youre not neccesarrily stupider, just slower, beacause you focus your thought on one or two thoughts, instead of normal where you process much in few seconds. The difference, is that while drunk, you always act stupid, but while stoned, you merely seems stupid. Some of the most "genius" scetches i've done (most stylish, best flow, cooles letters, im talking graffiti here) i've done while stoned. If i even try to make tags while drunk, it just gets ugly as hell.

I can go on and on for hours.
And, i have very much experience whit this "drug". Too much, as you can misuse this "drug" to a great extent if you really want to..

So, Mong, how did the meeting go?

[LHC]

I've been hit by stoned guy, but that was probably more to do with him being a ****ing ****.

[Lord Talon]

Originally posted by Deffeh
<snip> Its a different feeling, but in general, there is no real difference from being moderately drunk.

well, currently moderate alcohol use (ie: 1 glass of wine/day) is considered "healthy" whereas some

recent studies indicate an increased susceptibility to mental illnesses like schizophrenia for regular cannabis users

[Snurx]

(copy pasted as a reply to the last entry in the promotion thread )

But, then, were simply back at the different effects per type user and per type hash/weed.
It's as simple as that, and whit that in mind, the original thing about "it's stupid to smoke alone" solely depends on the user and the amount consumed.

Oh, and on the creativity thing, it's not just a figment of my imaganation. I work better, but slower, when stoned, as im much more able to focus my thougths on a single idea over a longer period of time.

Music-wise, i don't know about stoner music. Im talking all genres. When i'm stoned, i turn the volume down, just to hear the music better, and enjoy it more.When im drunk, i pump up the volume, only really caring about noise and the bass.

Also, im often slower when stoned. But, not beacause im stupid, as im while drinking, but beacause, im just more "laid back".

Driving after smoking a joint is fine, driving after a six-pac of beer is not. That is, in my eyes, comparable amounts.

[Lord Talon]

Actually there is another study on that same link that indicates that a marijuanna smoker may be a more cautious driver than one who has had a drink

[Deffeh]

driving on either is not good. thats surely not up for debate

[Tzencath]

trust me, there is sum stuff out there that will floor you after one J, so no-one can say being drunk is worse.

i think that recreational drug usage is fine, i mean, how is large amounts of ganja different from large amounts of alcohol?
cannabis only became illegial in 1912 i believe, so it has been smoked in the uk for ages.

properly made, regulated, taxed and sold, cannabis could become what alcohol or tobacco is, widely accepted due to the fact it's been around a long time.

but, for my 2 pennys, the best thing about being stoned is going into a lesson and arguing totally mashed out of your skull about some completly random thing you don't have a bloody clue, then giggling throughout the counter argument...

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Lord Talon
Actually there is another study on that same link that indicates that a marijuanna smoker may be a more cautious driver than one who has had a drink

90% of the lifts i get around reading are from people who smoke on the way, they drive perfectly normally

[Mong]

Not to Deffeh: Come back when you know what you're talking about.

Oh and read my last reply in the "Promotion" post.

Innit

M.

[Mong]

Originally posted by Lord Talon
Actually there is another study on that same link that indicates that a marijuanna smoker may be a more cautious driver than one who has had a drink

If you've had a little smoke, then you are naturally more aware of your surroundings. It's true, and your reactions aren't particularly slowed either. However you do tend to get distracted more easily.

It's very very very rare I drive on drink/skunk. And when I say "drive", I mean after one joint or one drink. I never drive over the drink limit, or any theoretical drug limit.

I'm a sensible chap who does the odd illegal substance, in strict moderation.

M.

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

Originally posted by Dante Hicks
Cannabis 'worse than tobacco'

Did you READ my post? Where the hell did I compare tobacco to cannabis?

You didnt, but:

Originally posted by Dante Hicks but deleted cos he knew it was a pile of bollocks
Smoking canabis in moderation is not particularly bad for your health, and brings pleasure to many.

Originally posted by Dante Hicks
Smoking cannabis probably does increase your chance of dying of lung cancer slightly.

Tabacco increases risk of any number of diseases not just lung cancer by 14 times! And canabis is as bad, if not worse. I think 'slightly' is not an acurate word to use...

And will you please stop using the 'canabis is ok cos it's safer than alcohol' arguement plz.

[LHC]

Originally posted by Cmdr_Cyrax
Tabacco increases risk of any number of diseases not just lung cancer by 14%!

I think that's lies.

[StaticX]

It can now be acquired legally on prescription for medical use in Canada.

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Cmdr_Cyrax
Tabacco increases risk of any number of diseases not just lung cancer by 14 times! And canabis is as bad, if not worse. I think 'slightly' is not an acurate word to use...

indeed, smoking the weed is worse for you than smoking the tobacco alone. (weed burns at a higher temperature and 99% of the time there is no filter to cut out alot of the crap a normal cigarette does)

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by ItotheDtotheI
Remember, this is Deffeh, who smokes cannabis prolifically, but is not a stoner.

i never said that, i merely answered the questions put to me. I would never ever be as pretentious as to label myself as a "stoner", a term that has no boundaries. Now that you mention it, i wouldnt call myself a "prolific" smoker of it. I know how to roll, i know how to smoke. Apparently it seems im one of the few that likes the affect more than the stigma.

[Kurashima]

http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php...hima&ID=158503

[Cmdr_Cyrax]

Originally posted by LHC
I think that's lies.

http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact02.html

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Mong
Not to Deffeh: Come back when you know what you're talking about.

Oh and read my last reply in the "Promotion" post.

Innit

M.

so your continuing the Kumnaa line of "Your wrong. end of story" ?

Whats the point in smoking one small joint? Its not going to do anything to you, youve in effect wasted your time, and your supplies.

I cant see how what im saying is difficult to explain. We use drugs and alcohol to provoke a response from our bodies - different levels of response yes, but a response.

So i dont understand why some people insist on drinking _one_ can of beer if they dont intend to follow it up. Why not take a nice cold cola? It tastes nicer, its cheaper, and healthier.

And if cannabis isnt addictive, why bother smoking one at all on its own?

To me this is like, having a wank and then giving up 2 minutes in. Or putting food in your mouth then spitting it out before swallowing it.

[HAL-9000]

Originally posted by Deffeh
To me this is like, having a wank and then giving up 2 minutes in.

OMG THAT WOULD BE A HORRIBLE THING TO DO!!!

[Kumnaa]

Originally posted by Deffeh
so your continuing the Kumnaa line of "Your wrong. end of story" ?

Whats the point in smoking one small joint? Its not going to do anything to you, youve in effect wasted your time, and your supplies.

I cant see how what im saying is difficult to explain. We use drugs and alcohol to provoke a response from our bodies - different levels of response yes, but a response.

So i dont understand why some people insist on drinking _one_ can of beer if they dont intend to follow it up. Why not take a nice cold cola? It tastes nicer, its cheaper, and healthier.

And if cannabis isnt addictive, why bother smoking one at all on its own?

To me this is like, having a wank and then giving up 2 minutes in. Or putting food in your mouth then spitting it out before swallowing it.

it is something you will understand with experience, most of us thought the same thing at your age, just give it a couple of years

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kurashima
http://www.stripcreator.com/view.php...hima&ID=158503

excellent

[Deffeh]

Originally posted by Kumnaa
it is something you will understand with experience, most of us thought the same thing at your age, just give it a couple of years

you really arent getting me. im not against using it for an effect.

If you dont do something to have a point, there is no point.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally posted by Cmdr_Cyrax
And will you please stop using the 'canabis is ok cos it's safer than alcohol' arguement plz.

I never said cannabis was OK because it's safer than alcohol. Remember, I think heroin should be freely available for anyone over 12 so safety isn't something I'm overly concerned with.

I've got no particular feelings toward cannabis either way (I think I've smoked 4 times in my life - 2 cigarettes and 2 joints of cannabis). What I do reject is :
[a] Pointless health worrying.
[b] People who externalise their opinions to the point where they seem to think they are objective. Drinking heavily, or smoking pot, or taking LSD all obviously have "benefits" to their users in the form of enjoyment. They wouldn't do it otherwise.

"Oh no, they've been brainwashed into thinking it's cool. They're not really enjoying it."

Negative stereotyping of drug users ("Oh, you smoke drugs alone so you're obviously a drain on society") or rejection of individual choice ("You are only smoking drugs to be cool") is the road to totalitarianism.