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Unread 8 Jun 2009, 14:16   #1
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The BNP

Since the tv/newspapers/politicians everywhere are giving the BNP endless coverage to try and boost their vote in future elections, I thought I'd do the same here.

From my own viewpoint, I have actually been tempted to vote BNP for many years now, but have restrained (I refused to vote at all last week, or I probably would have gone BNP). And yes, I live in lancashire up in t'north like the rest of the scummy BNP supporters.

But I stayed up watching the elections show last night until 2am or so, and it seemed to me like the BNP were consistently getting 5-10% of the vote in every region in England. They came close to a few other seats (within 25-50k votes in some regions). I think it was the east midlands where the BNP got 8% of the vote - the same % of the vote they got in yorkshire? and more than they got in the north west - but didn't get an MEP through it. But yet its Lancs/Yorks getting all the abuse atm.

One thing that annoys me is the massive anti-BNP sentiment amongst politicians. This country is a democracy, they're a legit party, and they're getting 5-10% of the people's vote (some would say that means 1 in every 10-20 MPs should be BNP ) - so stfu! Most of them come out with gems like "the BNP is a racist evil party! But people that vote for them aren't, they just don't understand their policies" - HAHAHAHAHA. The BNP must be the ONLY party in the UK who's policies are known by all. If you ask the layman on the street to explain the difference between conservative and labour policies, they'd be clueless. Choosing which of them to vote for is effectively a leader-personality competition - poor gordon brown.

I myself am surprised the BNP's vote was so little - but I guess now that they've got a foothold in politics, people will take them more seriously and their vote will increase year by year. That is, unless another mainstream party comes in with ""radical"" ideas to try and solve the problems faced in this country, particularly society wise.

Also, politicians that hate the BNP. Do they realise that by sitting on tv going "OMG THE BNP IS EVIL EVIL ARRGGHHHHH THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO END OMGOMG" like retards, they are not only giving the BNP publicity, but also going to make more people in the "hmm i might vote bnp, but i won't"-category more inclined to vote for them.

All that said, although I'm tempted to vote BNP, I hope they never actually get in power - my prediction is they'll be the #2 party by 2020. The BNP just needs to become large enough to make the other parties realise that their liberal views to try and please everyone (but ****ing the country up and doing nothing to solve the country's problems) are shit.

edit: as for my own personal racist views (I like to think this is an accurate description of myself): I am racist against ethnic groups collectively, but not in the slightest bit against individuals, nor do I stereotype said individuals when I first meet them (nearly all of my friends from 1994-1999 were indian/pakistani <3 most left my school then and nearly everyone in my A-level classes were white so meh).

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Re: The BNP

The only reason they got seats is because Labour voters stayed at home (their vote in pure numbers decreased this time). And make no mistake, they'll be back at the general election to stop Cameron and BNP in those areas won't stand a chance. Much like UKIP voters will vote tory in the general election to get rid of Labour. Because in first past the post, many of these parties don't stand a ****ing chance. Except maybe the Greens in places like Brighton, but even then I think they're being a bit hopeful.
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Unread 8 Jun 2009, 15:13   #3
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The only reason they got seats is because Labour voters stayed at home (their vote in pure numbers decreased this time). And make no mistake, they'll be back at the general election to stop Cameron and BNP in those areas won't stand a chance. Much like UKIP voters will vote tory in the general election to get rid of Labour. Because in first past the post, many of these parties don't stand a ****ing chance. Except maybe the Greens in places like Brighton, but even then I think they're being a bit hopeful.
Your prediction will certainly be true for the next general election But the one in ~2014, I'm not so sure Problems in this country are going to get worse, apathy will increase and so will the BNP following. I'm assuming that now the BNP has got some kind of footing in politics, their growth will increase almost exponentially compared to previous years. If only because previously, BNP's coverage was huge (to get people not to vote for them), now it'll be nonstop by the other parties. Any publicity is good publicity!
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Re: The BNP

Retarded people voting for fascists during economic crisis non-shocker!
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Retarded people voting for fascists during economic crisis non-shocker!
Yes, because we were in an economic crisis in 2004 when the BNP virtually did jsut as well as they did this year.

Retards making retarded assumptions about the BNP non-shocker
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Retard misunderstanding that assumption was made about voters and not political party non-shocker.
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Retarded people voting for fascists during economic crisis non-shocker!
That implies more people are voting for facist parties now than when our economy was doing awesomely. The BNP is the only such party (that gets more than 0.5% of votes at least).

So your hole is that you didn't realise that the BNP was just as popular (if not more popular) before the economic crisis.

Or maybe you acknowledged you were wrong on this, and then decided to try and save face by nitpicking on me saying 'BNP' instead of 'BNP voters' - which I think is wrong anyway. I vote conservative, therefore I am a conservative (its how I would describe myself). Someone that votes BNP would similarly think of themselves as BNP. Thus making:

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just fine!

and back on track: I disagree! -_-
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Uhm, I wasn't really thinking much about the BNP.
I was thinking of the truism that throughout recent Western history, fascists have exploited economic hardship to hoodwink less than intelligent voters.

That is how I believe Hitler came to power, not that I can be bothered to find any evidence. I daresay that most of the people that voted for the BNP in 2004 came from economically deprived shitholes which I would argue backs up my lazy assertion.
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Your prediction will certainly be true for the next general election But the one in ~2014, I'm not so sure
To get the discussion back on track:

I think the BNP will find it even harder to do well in ~2014 because by then there will be even more non-white people voting due to interbreeding and increasing immigration!

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And what hole would that be?
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Well, aye, its mostly people with hardships in life that will tend to vote for parties like the BNP. However, I daresay there's plenty of civilized people out there that on the one hand, don't want to vote for out-and-out-racists, on the other, accept that the BNP is the only party with decent policies on immigration & similar things. Or maybe the UKIP has too, no idea - the main parties certainly don't.

If the BNP gradually starts to come across as a serious party that doesn't actually have overly racist policies (I don't consider their actual policies racist ... ofcourse their leaders are blatantly racist though )... their votes migth start to change
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Re: The BNP

Well I personally disagree with both Lok and your claims that the BNP aren't getting more popular. I don't know what Loks politics are, but his post came across as a Labour supporter looking for excuses regarding bad election results. I think Labour will lose the next election because the British electorate are too stupid to realise that a global economic crisis is not necessarily the fault of the Labour Party (although God knows there are plenty of other reasons to not vote for them).

And if I believe that they are too stupid to understand that, I think vast numbers of them are certainly capable of swallowing the shite that spews out of Nick Griffins mouth...

It's worth noting that the BNP are not the only far right party to have done well in the European elections. Fascists are celebrating all over Europe.
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And if I believe that they are too stupid to understand that, I think vast numbers of them are certainly capable of swallowing the shite that spews out of Nick Griffins mouth...
Oi, don't talk about my MEP like that!

Lokken is right tbh (or the tv agrees with him!), its basically supporters of labour (and to a lesser extent, the tories) simply haven't bothered voting. This is indicated by the low overall turn out compared to 5yrs ago, and the fact that everyone's % support has gone up (but not actual number of votes), apart from labour's which has gone down.

Of course, that might not be the correct explanation of the statistics.

And also, the elections were soooo based on the expenses scandal, not the economy. Most people will appreciate that Brown has handled the economic crisis very well - though he might be to blame for it (not the american housing market, but the fact our country was in so much debt). Ok, tories might have done just as well - but then again, they might not have done. Is finding out worth the risk? On a similar note, even the most ardent BNP supporter knows that labour & co would be much better in an economic crisis than relatively uneducated inexperienced BNP candidates.

So I'd argue the economy has hindered the BNP, but the expense scandal has helped them - all balanced out.

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Only ones I can think of are holland (their #2 party) and, though not in europe, Australia. Tbh, Australia is how I would like to see England - immigration & such is allowed though monitored, but if you move to the country you have to accept their way of life, and live by it. Just like when people go to saudi arabia, or nearly any muslim country.
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And if I believe that they are too stupid to understand that, I think vast numbers of them are certainly capable of swallowing the shite that spews out of Nick Griffins mouth...
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I think Labour will lose the next election because the British electorate are too stupid to realise that a global economic crisis is not necessarily the fault of the Labour Party (although God knows there are plenty of other reasons to not vote for them).
Didnt britain get affected so badly by the economic crises due to the lax laws imposed on the bankers from the goverment? which labour was in power during that time?

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But they're not stupid when they believe the shite that labour and consev's throw at them!

Politics doesnt work, as it requires politicians.. and all politicians are corrupt, selfish and lazy.
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Didnt britain get affected so badly by the economic crises due to the lax laws imposed on the bankers from the goverment? which labour was in power during that time?

But they're not stupid when they believe the shite that labour and consev's throw at them!

Politics doesnt work, as it requires politicians.. and all politicians are corrupt, selfish and lazy.
The lax laws you talk about have been vogue in all capitalist countries for pretty much all of my lifetime (I'm nearly 40). I think its a bit unfair to blame the current Labour government for that.

Yes, people are stupid when they believe the shit that Labour and the Conservatives throw at them, but I think that most people with some intelligence would agree that the shit thrown by Labour and the Tories is slightly more sophisticated than the idiocy which pours forth from the BNP.

But yes, you are right, its a fancier form of the same sort of thing - instead of appealing to brain damaged individuals that believe that immigration is the cause of their problems, they are appealing to middle England idiots that want to drive 4x4s and send their children to posh schools and are worried about their mortgages and pensions.

I disagree with you when you say that all politicians are corrupt and lazy.
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Yes, people are stupid when they believe the shit that Labour and the Conservatives throw at them, but I think that most people with some intelligence would agree that the shit thrown by Labour and the Tories is slightly more sophisticated than the idiocy which pours forth from the BNP.
If someone throws shit at me, i dont sit there and debate weither it is high quality shit or low grade shit...

You really cant use the argument that labours shit and conservatives shit is nicer.. As its only nicer for your views and as this is a democracy, its not only your views that count. BNP supports can and probably do use the same argument you have used, against Labour/Conservatives.
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The lax laws you talk about have been vogue in all capitalist countries for pretty much all of my lifetime (I'm nearly 40). I think its a bit unfair to blame the current Labour government for that.

Yes, people are stupid when they believe the shit that Labour and the Conservatives throw at them, but I think that most people with some intelligence would agree that the shit thrown by Labour and the Tories is slightly more sophisticated than the idiocy which pours forth from the BNP.

But yes, you are right, its a fancier form of the same sort of thing - instead of appealing to brain damaged individuals that believe that immigration is the cause of their problems, they are appealing to middle England idiots that want to drive 4x4s and send their children to posh schools and are worried about their mortgages and pensions.

I disagree with you when you say that all politicians are corrupt and lazy.
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the BNP is the only party with decent policies on immigration & similar things.
I've been away.

Please name these policies.

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Aren't their policies (and party in general) based on race?
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I'd just like to clear up the offensive part of your post: I don't support Labour and never have in any way shape or form.
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I'd just like to clear up the offensive part of your post: I don't support Labour and never have in any way shape or form.
I did say I didn't know what your politics were!
But I would expect a Labour supporter with his head buried firmly in the sand to come up with a very similar post to yours.

I think that the true picture is that they haven't got a prayer in the next election unless they can somehow acquire the services of Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Max Clifford and whoever wins this series of Big Brother as Gordons replacement.
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I think that the true picture is that they haven't got a prayer in the next election unless they can somehow acquire the services of Rupert Murdoch, the Barclay brothers, Max Clifford and whoever wins this series of Big Brother as Gordons replacement.
Everyone expects labour to get thrashed - but the number of seats the tories (who are not that popular) need to win off labour is huge. Can't remember, but must be around 80? A swing of ~7% anyway. It isn't a foregone conclusion just yet!

Also, I mean like last election, more people voted tory than voted labour in england (but england is governed by a labour government with a large majority - democracy huh!) - so labour could scrape through similarly again.
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Also, I mean like last election, more people voted tory than voted labour in england (but england is governed by a labour government with a large majority - democracy huh!) - so labour could scrape through similarly again.
This seems like a fairly bizzare argument if you're in favour of any sort of representative democracy. The arbitrary boundaries have to be drawn somewhere.

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I don't consider their actual policies racist
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On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.

To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration...
I don't really know how you can think this isn't a racist policy. It's explicitly and unashamedly racist by any sensible standards.
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I don't really know how you can think this isn't a racist policy. It's explicitly and unashamedly racist by any sensible standards.
When the rat came to Australia, it destroyed the basis of life for many indigenous species. Now, we do what we can to stop them / kill as many of them as possible before it too late.

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This seems like a fairly bizzare argument if you're in favour of any sort of representative democracy. The arbitrary boundaries have to be drawn somewhere.
Well, it was more to do with scottish/welsh votes determining our parliament, whereas we don't have a say at all in their governments.

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That isn't even remotely racist. Its spotting a main problem in our country - immigration - and putting an end to it. That means, french people, australians, irish, polish, muslims, chinese, and so forth. Fine, if you want to say the BNP is racist against every single race on the planet, including their "own race", then fine dude

It would also make a hell of a lot of countries worldwide extremely racist too - especially countries run by the ethnics the BNP are accused of being racist against. Or to prove me wrong, you go and try to emigrate to a muslim country and becoeme a citizen there. Good luck man!

"just because they're all racist fags doesn't mean we should be too" or something along those lines will be the reply to that - but again, this isn't racism. Its looking after the interests of your country.
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Newt does not spend 20 minutes typing out threads to wind up the users of the Planetarion forums! We all know this!!

Sort of makes me laugh how the majority of you are moaning at the working class (poorer families of Britain) voting for BNP, and calling them retards. Isn't that racism/discrimination? it can just as easily be based on the econonic state of a family as it can the colour of someones skin.
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Sort of makes me laugh how the majority of you are moaning at the working class (poorer families of Britain) voting for BNP, and calling them retards. Isn't that racism? it can just as easily be based on the econonic state of a family as it can the colour of someones skin.
A majority doesn't consist of one person man. And no it isn't racism as it's based on something people actually did, go out and vote for the BNP, as opposed to being something directly related to race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin.
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A majority doesn't consist of one person man. And no it isn't racism as it's based on something people actually did, go out and vote for the BNP, as opposed to being something directly related to race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin.
So to assume that the lower class only voted for BNP, and consequently call them retards isn't discriminating?

What are you after, open borders or something? BNP merely want to tighten/stop the immigration into the United Kingdom, i don't see anything racist about that despite what their alternate motive might be.
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So JBG's argument is that any kind of immigration that stops one race from migrating into another country is racist?

Then every single political party is racist, as no-one (as far as im aware) has been campaigning for completly open borders? and those damm australians are extremly racist for there closed border policy.

the BNP want the borders to be closed or tightend, I dont see anything racist in that? unless you say what you've been saying and call every political party racist (then it isnt just BNP so your point is moot).
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So JBG's argument is that any kind of immigration that stops one race from migrating into another country is racist?
If it's based on the principles of race etc then yes. If it happens to do as part of some other set of principles then it's not racist. You could argue that a lot of political parties have implicitly racist immigration policies though.

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the BNP want the borders to be closed or tightend, I dont see anything racist in that? unless you say what you've been saying and call every political party racist (then it isnt just BNP so your point is moot).
If it was based on, say, economic reasons or something it wouldn't be explicitly racist. However it's not. It's based on the point I quoted above.

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I haven't expressed any preferences on immigration policies. I've pointed out that the immigration policy of the BNP, preventing immigration based on arguments concerning ethnicity, is a racist policy.
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I haven't expressed any preferences on immigration policies. I've pointed out that the immigration policy of the BNP, preventing immigration based on arguments concerning ethnicity, is a racist policy.
You dont want to stop immigration of skilled, educated people with equal views on how a society should be.
You might wish to stop certain people from other countries who cant read or write, smokes khat, and in general are an expence.

Thats not racism. Its economics.
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You dont want to stop immigration of skilled, educated people with equal views on how a society should be.
You might wish to stop certain people from other countries who cant read or write, smokes khat, and in general are an expence.

Thats not racism. Its economics.
Have BNP ever referred to a points system as the determinism of being allowed in though?
Or will they just closed the gates on everyone?
I haven't personally read through their policies as i'm passed the apple books on the school shelf, however i haven't even heard them suggesting it anywhere that they would even let a Medical Practitioner in?
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England is such a mix of races as you go back, it's totally retarded to feel somehow violated by people coming in.
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You dont want to stop immigration of skilled, educated people with equal views on how a society should be.
You might wish to stop certain people from other countries who cant read or write, smokes khat, and in general are an expence.

Thats not racism. Its economics.
But that isn't actually the BNP's policy? The BNP's policy is explicitly based on ethnicity. I posted the first part of their summation of their immigration policy above in case you missed it. I imagine you can find more on their website if you wish to do so.
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But that isn't actually the BNP's policy? The BNP's policy is explicitly based on ethnicity. I posted the first part of their summation of their immigration policy above in case you missed it. I imagine you can find more on their website if you wish to do so.
As a norwegian, I find myself lacking with a general knowledge, more so than what the left sided media in norway gives me, about bnp.
I can honestly say I cba to read up on their website

Also, I posted in regards to your views in regards to immigration, not bnps.
I should perhaps have clarified that. I am sorry.
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You dont want to stop immigration of skilled, educated people with equal views on how a society should be.
You might wish to stop certain people from other countries who cant read or write, smokes khat, and in general are an expence.

Thats not racism. Its economics.
That's not what the BNP want though...
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That's not what the BNP want though...
I'm 100% sure the BNP wouldnt kick out all the skilled doctors which have came in through immigration

(thats just one case, as even if they wanted to.. they cant as they're required.)
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JBG, so you basicly want open borders then?
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Are these all Newt's alts?

Or is this just a meeting of spastics-r-us?
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Being 'elitist with regard to national origin' sounds pretty much like the nazis ranking races in order of superiority in the 1930s to me. But lets not a bit of history get in the way of things!
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Shit, didn't manage to delete it in time.
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and shouldnt our borders be tightend now that we are in a economic crisis? with our NHS system over burdend and in heavy debt, record numbers of unemployment which are still rising, exponentially expanding national debt, and terrorism (can ignore terrorism, but it gets used to bring in every other type of policy ).

I dont want the british borders to be closed but rather limited to the people who would bring something to the country by being let in (i.e. skilled in an area which we require) and share our views (and importantly, speak english) i.e. i want a system like Australia's.

I dont understand how that makes me racists, as im not being anti anyone.
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and shouldnt our borders be tightend now that we are in a economic crisis? with our NHS system over burdend and in heavy debt, record numbers of unemployment which are still rising, exponentially expanding national debt, and terrorism (can ignore terrorism, but it gets used to bring in every other type of policy ).

I dont want the british borders to be closed but rather limited to the people who would bring something to the country by being let in (i.e. skilled in an area which we require) and share our views (and importantly, speak english) i.e. i want a system like Australia's.

I dont understand how that makes me racists, as im not being anti anyone.
And I wouldn't say your beliefs on immigration are explicitly racist. Unlike the BNP's. Which are.

I do think you could benefit from reading further on this topic though so here's a link to a relevant article for an examination of the actual links between immigration and economics!
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And I wouldn't say your beliefs on immigration are explicitly racist. Unlike the BNP's. Which are.

I do think you could benefit from reading further on this topic though so here's a link to a relevant article for an examination of the actual links between immigration and economics!
But if immigration is my #1 concern in politics, then i should vote for BNP regardless of weither some people think they are racist or not (i.e. racist is a moot point, as it doesnt matter as long as what they'll do is what i want).
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Or

My main political motive is for closed borders.
BNP's main objective is to close borders.

therefore, i will vote for BNP?
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