A Post Well Thought About....

[Baddars]

ok, i have taken a while to think about and phrase this thread right. This post is not here to be flamed, more to put my views on certain things, both good and bad, across to the players of Planetarion.

As more than likely a few people from both sides of the Pa divide will be offended in here (not my intention nor my agenda to do so, but life a bitch), i will not pa attention to flaming with regards to this post.

As i said, this is just my views.

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Ok, ill take it from the top, the start of the round.

Alch recruited me into FAnG almost instantly after r10 had ended. Alch had views for FAnG which were based around an alliance rebuild from the top down. The views expressed by alch excited me. The chance to be part of, what in essence would be, a 'new' alliance and to work my hardest for this alliance to make it the best i could and help it acheive the best it could was inviting. Now i refer to FAnG as a 'new' alliance because of the goings on at the end of r10, and the need for alch and the other HCs to remodel the alliance totally.

Alch had a plan to make FAnG great, and to produce an alliance that was united as one in acheiving a common goal. This gal was dominance of r10.5, and showing the planetarion community that some players still had heart in this game and were willing to fight to show it.

In light of the previous round (r10), FAnG assertained that their main enemy would be none other than the EET block of the round before (Eclipse, Elysium and ToT for those who dont know). Because of this, FAnG set out to create a block to rival this one and make a good battle of the coming round. This block was settled on FPM (FAnG, Mistu and Phraktos). However in the weeks leading up to the start of the new round it arose that both Eclipse and ToT were not going to play the new round but were moving onto other space based tick games such as ********. This cast both doubts and strain on the block that is FPM from the start.

However, soon before the round, a new block turned up. The unity of Ely, LCH and VsN looked formidable and so the FPM block stood united and rdy to face the toild of the coming round.

At this point, noone knew how the round would unfold as there was a lot of planets on both sides of the block war.

From the end of protection, up until now and on to the end of the round, FPM has foughtnunited in their goal of winning the round.

Anyway, enough of that. That was just a brief history of why and how the block formed.

Now to the point of the post.

Over the round, people have done nothing but flame the fact that a lot of hard work has went into this block and maintaining it. People like Alch, irvine, Dogg and Grim have put a lot of effort into keeping the block alive.

Noone knew that this block would be able to run away with a round like it has, and because of this people (including myself), have done nothing but flame the block for ruining the round.

However, in essence it was the fact that block stood united and tall that made it a success. People talk about cheating etc, and i admit FAnG would, and deal with istances of cheating froma few of our members. The fact that the block has not been toppled come to fact that the remaining 3500 players in the pa universe have not puleld together well enough to drop it.

Now, i am all up for banter, but downright flaming and accusations gets us nowhere and is, in all fairness, what is ruining the game of planetarion.

Now im going to talk a little on views of certain alliances.

FAnG - yes, fair enough fang are winning this round all in all, but have they really been tested enough to deserve this position? My answer is no. FAnG has had no real test and is just coasting to vicroty. This alliance is capable of so much more, if only we were forced to come together and prove what we can do. Now, dont get me wrong, i have had my run ins with the FAnG HC because of my views on certain things about this alliance and i will never state that i have been totally happy with both the members and HC of FAnG, but this round my alliance is FAnG and i will fight for it as such.

Phraktos - by far the morally stronger of the 3 alliances in FPM. They have proved that they are capable of both fighting and defending well at times this round but not so well at others. And as this is their first Planetarion round, they should be commended.

Mistu - alliance with least members of the top 3, but still proving that they are capable to acheiving more. I expect bigger and better things from this alliance as it grows.

NewDawn - the alliance with the most heart and guts this round. They have proved through deffence and attacks that they will not back down against FPM no matter what. They have proved both their character and unity as an alliance. Newdawn is what planetarion allainces should be about. My vote for best alliance of the round. Out-manned and Out-gunned but never Out-fought.

Elysium - i expected so much from this alliance after the way they played in r10. Maybe there is still more to come.

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The Future of Pa?

well, from what i can see, for planetarion to survive another 12 rounds of carnage, the community must pull together as one and fight to end the cheating, abuse and hatred going on with its ranks.

Planetarion is, after all, just a game. Why can we not treat it as such? If you play Counter Strike and you get killed, do you moan and complain? or do you just get up and try again harder next time to stop it happening?

The future of pa lies with us and our power to be as one on the surface but ruthless in game.

The reason i still play (and have played since r1) planetarion is for the community and the fun i have chatting to my friends on IRC.

Today, i had an argument with one of the people i classed as a friend and i trusted more than a lot in my own alliance. This is the reason that i started thinking about this post. If we are gonna let this game pull friendships apart then why do we play?

I know i am not a model planetarion player. I say im quitting more times that i really should and lose respect for doing this. But the reason i still play is because my friends ask me to, the ammount of times i have though to hell with this and said im quitting, and they still stand by me. These are the reason why i still play, and the reason why i suspect a lot of you still play.

So for now...

I will not quit, i will complete the round as a member of FAnG, and hopefully be FAnG into r11 as well.

There is still 14 days left of Planetarion r10.5. Lets make war!

ok, thats me for now, feel welcome to paste your views here. I will take what you say on board but not to heart. I will not ask for this thread to be closed no matter what, cos i care about the situation of planetarion too much to be so petty.

anyway, sorry its such a long post, i just had a lot to get off my chest.

[Forest]

14 days left

Sweet

[Kal]

omg alch told people about my secret NoS plans!

bad alch!

[Borg]

Originally Posted by Baddars

However, soon before the round, a new block turned up. The unity of Ely, NoS, LCH and VsN looked formidable and so the FPM block stood united and rdy to face the toild of the coming round.


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dunno where you got the info from m8e, but NoS was neutral from day 1 and stayed that way.

Hell, over half my roids been taken from me by VsN so its doubtful you could call us a allied block

Yeah now towards the end of the round we has assisted others in making a few attacks on the fpm block, but still we cant be caleed allied becuase we still get tincs from people who we are assisting in those attacks as they do from us

I dunno if the HC of NoS would see it different but I doubt it

Well thats my 10 cents worth as a lowly NoSser

This statement has not been endorsed by NoS HC and is the personal view of a member of NoS

[tygercub]

ShibaMac said it best:

Originally Posted by shibaMac

FPM are going to win this round. That's so pathetic and sad, because Fang, Phraktos OR Mistu should win, but not all three.

That's not a win guys. That's a draw.

Originally Posted by Baddars

Over the round, people have done nothing but flame the fact that a lot of hard work has went into this block and maintaining it. People like Alch, irvine, Dogg and Grim have put a lot of effort into keeping the block alive.

It must be nice trying to not have to worry about keeping your alliance alive, but rather a block. At least for ND, it has been a constant struggle to keep things going... never once has FAnG or Mistu or Phraktos REALLY have had to worry about staying alive. You had each other.

At any rate, thank you for complimenting New Dawn. It's nice to see someone can say something nice, rather than ripping on us for defending.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Borg

dunno where you got the info from m8e, but NoS was neutral from day 1 and stayed that way.

Hell, over half my roids been taken from me by VsN so its doubtful you could call us a allied block

Yeah now towards the end of the round we has assisted others in making a few attacks on the fpm block, but still we cant be caleed allied becuase we still get tincs from people who we are assisting in those attacks as they do from us

I dunno if the HC of NoS would see it different but I doubt it

Well thats my 10 cents worth as a lowly NoSser

This statement has not been endorsed by NoS HC and is the personal view of a member of NoS

There was a period of time in which in my capacity as effecitve miltary HC of NoS and during Aria's absence I was positioning NoS to be allied with Eclipse and co - the reason being that I saw fang's block as potentially to powerful. However there were then numerous HC level issues which resulted in me leaving NoS - I assume at this point talks with Vision broke down, not that they had really gone very far.... but the intension was there certianly pre round - mainly becuase I owed Eclipse some favours.... however I'd never have let us go anywhere near ely..... so well I guess the block would have collpapsed even fasater than it did in realtiy.

[LeviUK]

Nice post Baddars but I fear that your desire for a fight from the non-FPM players may be asking a lot at this stage when many have simply given up and stopped paying attention to the game. The rest of us, certainly those of us in ND and I'd imagine VsN as well, are still doing what we've done all round, holding our own in def and regular attacks of which most don't land admittedly, but every now and then we get through. I guess one quesion is now whether we can make a difference as to who gets to #1 - touri looks good for it atm but it seems sn0w will do anything to get there (based on the attack on Shooter a few days ago where sn0w and some escorts landed and lost 3mil value - though mostly on the escorts).. can we make a difference with an entertaining last-tick battle report? I'd certainly hope so but time will tell.

As to the rest, the reason for the block is fine and fair and the decision to keep it together after Eclipse and ToT vanished also understandable but one difference between any alliance I've been in and these is that FPM seem to attribute no value to the game itself.. evident when after clearly having won, they still stuck togother causing certain stagnation for themselves and a feeling of futility amongst others. In that respect, in many minds, FPM have won nothing but contempt, lost respect and the number one spots mean very little.

[Baddars]

*** edit was to ammend some details and typos cos i didnt proof read it ***

[Gerbie]

So you want us to come and entertain you?
Find someone your own size to fight...

If you want us to declare war, we might be willing to strike back on ELV. If I still was HC I would have declared war on them a long time ago.

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by Baddars

However, in essence it was the fact that block stood united and tall that made it a success. People talk about cheating etc, and i admit FAnG would, and deal with istances of cheating froma few of our members.

not really, the war between ELV and PMF went fairly well (PMF had a little advantage) but the fact that WP stopped the fencesitting and started hitting ELV together with MPF ruined the round in just a few days.
-note- i dont reject the fact that MPF are/were well united

Originally Posted by Baddars

Elysium - i expected so much from this alliance after the way they played in r10. Maybe there is still more to come.

Elysium was just the first alliance which got bashed by MPF after WP joined, they were never given a chance

Originally Posted by Baddars

NewDawn - the alliance with the most heart and guts this round. They have proved through deffence and attacks that they will not back down against FPM no matter what. They have proved both their character and unity as an alliance. Newdawn is what planetarion allainces should be about. My vote for best alliance of the round. Out-manned and Out-gunned but never Out-fought.

Vision

[Borg]

Originally Posted by Kal

There was a period of time in which in my capacity as effecitve miltary HC of NoS and during Aria's absence I was positioning NoS to be allied with Eclipse and co - the reason being that I saw fang's block as potentially to powerful. However there were then numerous HC level issues which resulted in me leaving NoS - I assume at this point talks with Vision broke down, not that they had really gone very far.... but the intension was there certianly pre round - mainly becuase I owed Eclipse some favours.... however I'd never have let us go anywhere near ely..... so well I guess the block would have collpapsed even fasater than it did in realtiy.

hmmm, dunno bout that, in truth all I heard was that you just up and walked out ( I wont embaress you by saying why here ) without any warning 6 days b4 ticks started and announced that you was gonna be a FanGer instead,
This round we NoSsers has just done our usual thing and ambled along, takin kickins and giving them out, same game, same many of life.

And seeing as we been a solo alliance we are doing well to be in top 10 or #11 as we are at the time I write this seeing as we have less members than any other top alliance in the game, (gotta give ROCK credit here as well, they are doing good as well)

And tellin the truth Kal, I still wanna attack your gal and wipe the sick smile of your face by leaving your planet a shambles and ya fleet a smoking cloud of dust in orbit

[Aria]

NoS started the round out napped only to HR as we have had close ties to HR for many rounds. We had been planning on staying that way too but circumstances warranted elsewise. We never were part of either block when the round started. So where people get this idea NoS was part of the block I have no clue.

Kal you say you had us in talks with other alliances, however, I was not part of such talks, you left 1 week before tick start and never said a word about anything you had or were doing. Even if you had been talking to other alliances about blocking/napping, it still would have had to go through me before anything would have been done officially.


The purpose of NoS this round was to restucture and rebuild after losing some HC's and command people. I had the choice to take NoS out of Planetarion or disband it altogether, and after talking to members, I decided to keep NoS alive and rebuild it with the hard work and dedication of its remaining members. To them, I applaude you on a round well done. Many of you gave your hearts and souls to NoS this round to help rebuild.

Considering being pounded on by both sides of the blocks for many weeks, I think NoS has done well and is rebuilding nicely. I am proud of all NoSsers, they have done well through thick and thin. We have an incredible avg score for not having any preround preparations made in advance and rebuilding at the same time.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Borg

hmmm, dunno bout that, in truth all I heard was that you just up and walked out ( I wont embaress you by saying why here ) without any warning 6 days b4 ticks started and announced that you was gonna be a FanGer instead,
This round we NoSsers has just done our usual thing and ambled along, takin kickins and giving them out, same game, same many of life.

And seeing as we been a solo alliance we are doing well to be in top 10 or #11 as we are at the time I write this seeing as we have less members than any other top alliance in the game, (gotta give ROCK credit here as well, they are doing good as well)

And tellin the truth Kal, I still wanna attack your gal and wipe the sick smile of your face by leaving your planet a shambles and ya fleet a smoking cloud of dust in orbit

how friendly

I doubt anyone knows all of the reasons that I left tbh, but yes some were entirly selfish and irrational. But had I stayed in NoS I expect I would be failing my exams a lot more than I am right now, so for that reason alone it was the correct decision.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Aria

NoS started the round out napped only to HR as we have had close ties to HR for many rounds. We had been planning on staying that way too but circumstances warranted elsewise. We never were part of either block when the round started. So where people get this idea NoS was part of the block I have no clue.

Kal you say you had us in talks with other alliances, however, I was not part of such talks, you left 1 week before tick start and never said a word about anything you had or were doing. Even if you had been talking to other alliances about blocking/napping, it still would have had to go through me before anything would have been done officially.


The purpose of NoS this round was to restucture and rebuild after losing some HC's and command people. I had the choice to take NoS out of Planetarion or disband it altogether, and after talking to members, I decided to keep NoS alive and rebuild it with the hard work and dedication of its remaining members. To them, I applaude you on a round well done. Many of you gave your hearts and souls to NoS this round to help rebuild.

Considering being pounded on by both sides of the blocks for many weeks, I think NoS has done well and is rebuilding nicely. I am proud of all NoSsers, they have done well through thick and thin. We have an incredible avg score for not having any preround preparations made in advance and rebuilding at the same time.

You know I was talking to Vision becuase you yourself approved that as it was after you returned. The talks with Eclipse were between myself and Arfa and were a lot earlier while you were still away and due to his real life problems they didn;t get anywhere - i.e. it was a couple of conversations so wasn;t really worth bringing up again until we knew what NoS was doing.

[alch]

It must be nice trying to not have to worry about keeping your alliance alive, but rather a block. At least for ND, it has been a constant struggle to keep things going... never once has FAnG or Mistu or Phraktos REALLY have had to worry about staying alive. You had each other.

Wrong, FAnG is fighting for his existence day day, at least up to the day i was HC, thing never came to be so easy and we had a lot of internal problem from the fact we ended round10 with maybe 10-15 members.
however i am wishing FAnG all best luck for the coming future.

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NewDawn - the alliance with the most heart and guts this round. They have proved through deffence and attacks that they will not back down against FPM no matter what. They have proved both their character and unity as an alliance. Newdawn is what planetarion allainces should be about. My vote for best alliance of the round. Out-manned and Out-gunned but never Out-fought.

Nitros wrote Vision

I second this entirely, vision is still standing.

Nitros wrote:
not really, the war between ELV and PMF went fairly well (PMF had a little advantage) but the fact that WP stopped the fencesitting and started hitting ELV together with MPF ruined the round in just a few days.
-note- i dont reject the fact that MPF are/were well united


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Originally Posted by Baddars
Elysium - i expected so much from this alliance after the way they played in r10. Maybe there is still more to come.

Elysium was just the first alliance which got bashed by MPF after WP joined, they were never given a chance

Well to be honest from my firs point of view, claiming both mistu and phraktos were new and Fang had around 20 members 2 weeks before round10.5 and given the short time for preparation, we all knew it would be almost a lost cause, EET was more and bigger but did we give up no.
few days before round started, eclipse folded and the block was a little bit unbalanced, maybe - (if we are counting few member there or few members there) but still you had Elysium which should have been an experienced alliance.
And on other hand you have FAnG destroyed alliance from round10 and both phraktos and MISTU, 2 new alliances which their commands didnt proved (back in the time) anything under the new structure, so i would say that the whole balance thing is wrong vision of yours nitros, i still claim that this war was well balanced, its just ONE alliance of your block didnt have the morale to go on, we did.

About WP, i wont comment, i just would say that i was against any involvment and its sad they fence sitted until mid-round and same with ND, just lame to see that almost the whole universe is united now (nos,valhalla,nd,wp,HR,LCH,elysium,NoS and much more alliance) to take us down - not for the fact you all united to take us down - i would say BRAVO for this, but for the fact that some alliance in this sooperation called "coalition" (where you guys have this kind bot coalition who has all our coords and btw new alliance who wanna fight us can ask one of the EVL HC to get added to #coalitionforces ) but the really sad fact is that it took 1.5 month to bring some fencesitter to the FACT they are TOO brave and has guts and that the FPM blocks is just the evil block who hadnt proved nothing yet and how strange and hilarious, this round is a joke.
How satisfating, so i would say, from all the competent Alliances around, rank FAnG the last one, say that the worst round in whole PA history was round10.5, say that the FAnG members have no soul and guts, and i would just answer that all your views were all the time unbiased.
But this i can respect as its happen every round

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by Borg

And tellin the truth Kal, I still wanna attack your gal and wipe the sick smile of your face by leaving your planet a shambles and ya fleet a smoking cloud of dust in orbit

:eeek:

[Borg]

Originally Posted by Kal

how friendly

I doubt anyone knows all of the reasons that I left tbh, but yes some were entirly selfish and irrational. But had I stayed in NoS I expect I would be failing my exams a lot more than I am right now, so for that reason alone it was the correct decision.

rofl, so you walked from NoS so as not to fail exams

/me sniffs at the strange odour of bovine excreta

[Aria]

Originally Posted by Kal

You know I was talking to Vision becuase you yourself approved that as it was after you returned. The talks with Eclipse were between myself and Arfa and were a lot earlier while you were still away and due to his real life problems they didn;t get anywhere - i.e. it was a couple of conversations so wasn;t really worth bringing up again until we knew what NoS was doing.

When I came back I had found you were trying to oust me. You were trying to play GOD and take over as total CEO of the alliance or do you forget that? Did you forget your plans that showed me being ousted and you being over everyone? What a nice welcome back after being so ill I had. Thank goodness other NoSsers were concerned enough that they called me and told me I needed to get back asap! I came back one week before the doctors authorized me to because of it.

You told me you were talking to Vision but I had also told you that I needed to be involved or nothing would be official, and that I wanted to know what you were talking about and you never stated. You said you talked to the other officers and that they agreed you should talk to vision and that was done before I came back from what I understand.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Baddars

Phraktos - by far the morally stronger of the 3 alliances in FPM.

How do you work that out?

[Baddars]

/me sighs

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Aria

When I came back I had found you were trying to oust me. You were trying to play GOD and take over as total CEO of the alliance or do you forget that? Did you forget your plans that showed me being ousted and you being over everyone? What a nice welcome back after being so ill I had. Thank goodness other NoSsers were concerned enough that they called me and told me I needed to get back asap! I came back one week before the doctors authorized me to because of it.

You told me you were talking to Vision but I had also told you that I needed to be involved or nothing would be official, and that I wanted to know what you were talking about and you never stated. You said you talked to the other officers and that they agreed you should talk to vision and that was done before I came back from what I understand.

oh please, if you are really that paranoid fine.

I actually asked Archi to phone you ages before he eventually did. Thoose plans were mad eebcuase Dingo and Xandy gave the impression that they needed a quick answer - so me/cin/tine made them. I should add that I allways thought that we shoudl wait for you tyo return befor emaking a final decision, even when others thought that we should nto wait. In the end you came back soon enough.

No one was trying to oust you, we mearly wanted to take NoS out of the holding pattern it had been sitting in for months.

[Baddars]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

How do you work that out?

cos they have had a hard time this round, and being a new alliance had a lot of problems etc to iron out, meansing that they had to both overcome these and play the game. making them morally strong.

[Aria]

Originally Posted by Kal

oh please, if you are really that paranoid fine.

I actually asked Archi to phone you ages before he eventually did. Thoose plans were mad eebcuase Dingo and Xandy gave the impression that they needed a quick answer - so me/cin/tine made them. I should add that I allways thought that we shoudl wait for you tyo return befor emaking a final decision, even when others thought that we should nto wait. In the end you came back soon enough.

No one was trying to oust you, we mearly wanted to take NoS out of the holding pattern it had been sitting in for months.

Oh so all those posts on forum about voting quickly on your new revised plan with you as CEO was just my imagination? You pushing for a member meeting before I returned to announce your new plans, and not one word of you wanting to wait as it was you pushing for the member meeting to announce all your changes before I returned. The meeting was set for before my return, and postposed cause Xandria posted to wait til I returned. And those plans you showed me with you being total in charge the day i returned and got online was my imagination too?

I must have been extremely deliourious then. Still have your plans showing you ousting me btw.

And it was not just Archi that called me. There were a few others that called as well as they didnt like what you were trying to do.

[AndroX]

Badders,

Ive read yer post (like many others did). And I totaly agree on some points you
point out for destroying planetarion (or the community at least).
About alliance idea's you posted I can only add that that is something everyone has
an oppinion on and therefor will not make remarks on it.
The blocking, well .. only thing I might add there is that I understand the why. And partly
I do not understand it. EVL started cuz we were kinda forced into a block to survive the
round with a block as FMP.
If there was only 1 round, where no alliance would nap/ally another alliance it would be the
round where you can really see the strength of an alliance.
I do not look at univers ranking, cuz to me its based on memberbase to much.
I respect any alliance that has fun in the game, cuz yes you were right its a game afterall.
I do not respect any player that abuses the game in any way. Alliances cant help that
some members cheat, but they can take actions once they know about it. No matter how
big or important that player is.

My favorite alliance this round is wihtout a doubt Valhalla. As they made an alliance from scratch
with mainly new players. And for a first round, plus the attacks they do atm, they really impress me. I hope they will be around for more rounds to come. As alliances like that are really needed
in planetarion. Having a "home" for new players is really hard atm. So my respect for that Valhalla.

[Dark-Strider]

It's true Ely were the first alliance targeted, and def had most inc at the start.

FPM(W) Vs Ely at the beginning. We didnt stand a chance tbh.

[Kal]

Originally Posted by Aria

Oh so all those posts on forum about voting quickly on your new revised plan with you as CEO was just my imagination? You pushing for a member meeting before I returned to announce your new plans, and not one word of you wanting to wait as it was you pushing for the member meeting to announce all your changes before I returned. The meeting was set for before my return, and postposed cause Xandria posted to wait til I returned. And those plans you showed me with you being total in charge the day i returned and got online was my imagination too?

I must have been extremely deliourious then. Still have your plans showing you ousting me btw.

And it was not just Archi that called me. There were a few others that called as well as they didnt like what you were trying to do.

xandy asked me to do the hurrying up of people becuase I am good at making things happen. By that I mean the hurrying up of getting the command team to meet and discuss things. Once we knew you were returning soon we were all more than happy to wait.

And the plans were not specifically my plans, they were the plans we had come up with in your absence. And when I spoke to you if you had simply said lets wait and discuss it then that would have been fine, we just wanted things sorted out before the round started becuase for the last few months we had been effecitvly runing NoS in the absence of you/dingo/xandy.

I don;t deny things didn't happen in the best way, but you didn't exaclty try to make them work in a better way.

[-=Zyth=-]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

How do you work that out?

We are going to glastonbury, we must be morally degenerate.

[Recluse]

Well I'll put my $.02 in here.

This round sucks :P

Plain and simply, a perfectly decent game has been ruined by a majority of the parties involved. I'll not name alliances in this thread, but there are alot more alliances then not that have contributed, mine included. we want a better game, we want more players, we want fun back, but then we block, or we annihilate the little guys etc, and then after 1 month the round is stagnated. Then we begin targetting our own galaxies becuase we're too lazy to get roids from the currently available sources etc. This is whats killing the game. I for one have wanted to quit many times this round, due to my OWN alliance, rather then my enemys.

We, the players, are the keepers of the game. If we don't look at whats going on, and MAKE the HC's etc change it, we're gonna have a whole lot less planets to kill next round then this one, if thats even possible.

[SteInMetz]

Originally Posted by tygercub

At any rate, thank you for complimenting New Dawn. It's nice to see someone can say something nice, rather than ripping on us for defending.

You forgot the best part, the people that arent in FAnG but still have fang planets..
Thats the best part.. Just a little subtile hint from me o_O

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Baddars

cos they have had a hard time this round, and being a new alliance had a lot of problems etc to iron out, meansing that they had to both overcome these and play the game. making them morally strong.

So did MISTU. I wouldn't say we were morally greater than any other alliance though (except LDK maybe ell-oh-ell).

[LEFF|pm]

great post Baddars, anything more then a complete agree from me would be a waste.
I could not express it better

[Barrow|Pony]

What makes Phraktos morally sound?

I've only had 'less-than-legit' dealings with them.

[Appocomaster]

Originally Posted by LeviUK

I guess one quesion is now whether we can make a difference as to who gets to #1 - touri looks good for it atm but it seems sn0w will do anything to get there (based on the attack on Shooter a few days ago where sn0w and some escorts landed and lost 3mil value - though mostly on the escorts).. can we make a difference with an entertaining last-tick battle report? I'd certainly hope so but time will tell.

lol Sn0w never has escorts. he does team up at tp if he doesn't think he has enough ships, and he never fears defense. He's one of the most willing people I know not to chicken out, but land for potentially devestating losses, and he talks whoever he's with into landing too .

[The_Fish]

And now they're napped to VisioN, not exactly the moral highground in my book.

[Barrow|Pony]

Sn0w was either escorted or teaming up - doesn't matter. He landed, now he has to catch up, because he lost 3 million points at Shooter's place.

Personally, I think if I were the #2 player, I'd want escorts :P But hell, I'm not Sn0w, and I'm no good at PA.

[The_Fish]

You're ND for a reason

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

What makes Phraktos morally sound?

I've only had 'less-than-legit' dealings with them.

Indeed. Myself also.
If anything, they're the least moral of the three alliances, playing more "any-costs-to-win" than either MISTU or FAnG. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing though - they're a good alliance

[Dingo]

Originally Posted by Kal

oh please, if you are really that paranoid fine.

I actually asked Archi to phone you ages before he eventually did. Thoose plans were mad eebcuase Dingo and Xandy gave the impression that they needed a quick answer - so me/cin/tine made them. I should add that I allways thought that we shoudl wait for you tyo return befor emaking a final decision, even when others thought that we should nto wait. In the end you came back soon enough.

No one was trying to oust you, we mearly wanted to take NoS out of the holding pattern it had been sitting in for months.

What a load of crap, Kal. You were madly planning to oust Aria and you know it. Be a man and just admit it. There is no shame in wanting power, only in how you go about it.

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Baddars

However, soon before the round, a new block turned up. The unity of Ely, LCH and VsN looked formidable and so the FPM block stood united and rdy to face the toild of the coming round.

you didnt know right away about vsns standings in that block, hcs of your alliance even pmed hcs of vsn for example with things like "we are still friends, right?"

and if i recall right even more things like recalling and even more...

you didnt know for sure of the vel block.

Originally Posted by Baddars

However, in essence it was the fact that block stood united and tall that made it a success. People talk about cheating etc, and i admit FAnG would, and deal with istances of cheating froma few of our members. The fact that the block has not been toppled come to fact that the remaining 3500 players in the pa universe have not puleld together well enough to drop it.

lol, what a joke, 3500 players...maybe planets but player were there 700. stop talking yourself on a high horse

[Achilles]

Hey Baddars. At least they didn't flame you

Small mercys and all that.