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Kate Moss Fired
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4263792.stm
OK, im not even going to pretend, I don't give a damn what happens to Kate Moss personally, it's just an excuse to talk about attitudes to drugs. So let's:
It is absolutely absurd that someone can be dropped from a contract (or whatever happened) just because they choose to spend their time getting high. Obviously she is still capable of doing the work, she has done recently, and afaik there were no problems before this.
The prevailing and mythical attitudes and laws towards drugs are harming people every day; certainly to more of an extent than legalisation would. True, she isn't likely to be arrested or anything, but in a way that just adds to the hypocrisy of the law. By and large, the people who actually enforce the law care very little about recreational drug use (or even dependent, if you can afford it, as she obviously can) but most of society is still anti-drugs, at least on the surface.
It's the myths and attitudes pushed by the social right and the tabloid media that cause this imo. I saw an article in the sun a couple of weeks ago called something like "Killer pills cheaper than ever" about E's being sold for 50p each ( ). The fact that they can get away with calling them that, and the polemic in the article itself (which was even worse iirc) is utterly disgraceful. It's exactly the kind of negative reporting to shock and enrage the uneducated masses and middle class daily mail reading arseholes that i hate so much.
OK, that'll do for now.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
"In 1998, the model spent time in the Priory clinic after admitting that her party lifestyle had taken its toll.
She has a daughter, Lila Grace, with her ex-partner, publisher Jefferson Hack. "
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4263792.stm
OK, im not even going to pretend, I don't give a damn what happens to Kate Moss personally, it's just an excuse to talk about attitudes to drugs. So let's:
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I think you'll find that she wasn't dropped for doing drugs, she was dropped for doing things that were directly opposed to what the company in question supported. It could have fly fishing she did and the advertisers have a policy against fly fishers.
Frankly if i was paying someone to advertise for me and then i found out they were doing something I didn't like and was the opposite to policies i'd spent a lot more money on, I'd drop them too, because as the person paying them, that's my right.
Stop going off on one as soon as drugs and 'bad mmmkay' are mentioned in a sentance Henry.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
unfortunately the opening post wasn't "from a cannon into the sun"
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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I think you'll find that she wasn't dropped for doing drugs, she was dropped for doing things that were directly opposed to what the company in question supported. It could have fly fishing she did and the advertisers have a policy against fly fishers.
Frankly if i was paying someone to advertise for me and then i found out they were doing something I didn't like and was the opposite to policies i'd spent a lot more money on, I'd drop them too, because as the person paying them, that's my right.
Stop going off on one as soon as drugs and 'bad mmmkay' are mentioned in a sentance henry.
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Additionally.
If I was shamed for being a drug addict publicly I would also be fired.
Bringing the company into disrepute.
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I think you'll find that she wasn't dropped for doing drugs, she was dropped for doing things that majority of the advertisers audience don't approve of. It could have fly fishing she did and the advertisers target hate fly fishers
Frankly if i was paying someone to advertise for me and then i found out they were doing something I didn't like, I'd drop them too, because as the person paying them, that's my right..
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Actually that's what im upset about, i thought i made it fairly clear, but obviously not clear enough. It's the fact that the advertisers audience care about it so much that H&M would drop her that annoys me. I don't actually mind that they dropped her, it was probably the sensible thing to do given the social climate. It's the fact that the social climate is the way that it is that saddens me so much
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Stop going off on one as soon as drugs and 'bad mmmkay' are mentioned in a sentance henry.
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The way i see it, it's a huge injustice in our society, causing misery and pain to thousands of people every year. That certainly makes it something worth "going off on one" for. Your kind of attitude is just as bad as someone telling gay rights activists (when it was still illegal) to stop "going off on one".
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Actually that's what im upset about, i thought i made it fairly clear, but obviously not clear enough. It's the fact that the advertisers audience care about it so much that H&M would drop her that annoys me. I don't actually mind that they dropped her, it was probably the sensible thing to do given the social climate. It's the fact that the social climate is the way that it is that saddens me so much
The way i see it, it's a huge injustice in our society, causing misery and pain to thousands of people every year. That certainly makes it something worth "going off on one" for. Your kind of attitude is just as bad as someone telling gay rights activists (when it was still illegal) to stop "going off on one".
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no, my attitude is that you do this (whing, not start threads) EVERY TIME someone mentions drugs in a negative light. perhaps people are ALLOWED THEIR OWN OPINIONS and don't want to change.
If gay rights activists start stupid rants every time someone said the word gay i'd tell them to stop being stupid too.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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It is absolutely absurd that someone can be dropped from a contract (or whatever happened) just because they choose to spend their time getting high.
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She is a role model (believe it or not) to younger generation.
Companies will fire people like Kate to state they will not tolerate that behaviour as it isn't "acceptable" to today's society*
What I don't agree with was it WASN'T in a public place where she was doing said drugs and it wasn't harming anyone but her.
There is still a career for her coughDaniella Westbrook cough
*instead they will abuse/exploit little children in the middle east to make their clothing
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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no, my attitude is that you do this (whing, not start threads) EVERY TIME someone mentions drugs in a negative light. perhaps people are ALLOWED THEIR OWN OPINIONS and don't want to change.
If gay rights activists start stupid rants every time someone said the word gay i'd tell them to stop being stupid too.
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what the **** man?
WHAT THE ****?
You can have your absurd opinion if you want, but that's no reason to bitch at me for having mine. If i feel strongly about something why am I not allowed to whine about it?
when was the last time i did this though, seriously? It's not like it's the only thing i ever talk about, its just something i care about and something i like to talk about now and again.
Could you really not guess what this thread was about from the title and the user posting it?
Did you really have to click on it?
Did you really have to reply?
Did you really have to reply to my reply?
Do you really have to reply to this?
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Actually that's what im upset about, i thought i made it fairly clear, but obviously not clear enough. It's the fact that the advertisers audience care about it so much that H&M would drop her that annoys me. I don't actually mind that they dropped her, it was probably the sensible thing to do given the social climate. It's the fact that the social climate is the way that it is that saddens me so much
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Yeah, couse it had been so much better if H&M and the rest of the world told Kate Moss that "We like your style, your cool, and every mother should be allowed to do coke without any form of social reaction to it".
Actually, Im quite glad my mother didnt do drugs (and still doesnt). Im also quite glad she didnt drink while I was beeing "made" either. And Im quite glad she didnt drink in front off me while I grew up.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Could you really not guess what this thread was about from the title and the user posting it?
That one was pretty obvious. I figured you'd be going off on one about drugs and how peoples attitudes suck etc when drugs aren't especially anything to do with why she got fired.
Did you really have to click on it?
boredom at work dictates so
Did you really have to reply?
see previous reply. I figured you'd be dragging a drugs angle into a story that wasn't particulary to do with drugs.
Did you really have to reply to my reply?
see previous previous reply. Also it'd be rude not to.
Do you really have to reply to this?
see previous previous previous reply
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Frankly if i was paying someone to advertise for me and then i found out they were doing something I didn't like and was the opposite to policies i'd spent a lot more money on, I'd drop them too, because as the person paying them, that's my right.
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No-one is disputing the right of the company to fire Kate Moss for whatever they want. However, the argument is whether their policies (or prejudices) are justified in any way. I agree with Henry, some of the coverage of this in the newspaper is hilariously bad.
Let's imagine this wasn't about drugs or Kate Moss. Let's imagine it was about Heidi Klum getting pregnant by a black guy (Seal or whatever his name is). If I was a corporation owning tycoon let's imagine I sacked her because my company had a policy against miscegnation. Would I have the right to do this? Yes, certainly*. Would I be torn a new arsehole in the press? I should bloody well hope so.
Companies acting in a bigoted/irrational manner because that's the current vogue is kind of unhelpful imho. It leads to circular reasoning and a lack of progress in social thinking.
* = Well, probably not - if you actually did this you'd get sued to oblivion, but I presume we mean "rights" in the general moral sense.
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I think your example is inaccurate Dante.
It isn't illegal to be impregnated by a black guy.
It is illegal to use drugs.
This thread is simply asking "Why do drugs have such a bad stigma attached?" and will turn into "Why are drugs illegal?" and we will have the same discussion as per usual.
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I think your example is inaccurate Dante.
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I never said it was the same situation, NB3 said they had the right to fire her for whatever they wanted. I agreed, but I'm saying if it wasn't a 'good' reason (for other reasons) we'd be more annoyed.
And besides, I've not followed the story but has she actually been found guilty on any drugs charges?
edit : Would she have been fired if people had found out she downloaded MP3s?
edit2 : enby's first example was fly-fishing, which also isn't illegal.
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ok, I think NB3's point is that they can sack her for something that is "socially unacceptable" (I can't think of a better way to describe it)
The point of this thread is basically "Why are drugs socially unacceptable?" of which we've had plenty of discussions.
If she downloaded mp3's and the media made a big deal over it then i'm pretty sure she would have been sacked for that too.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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when was the last time i did this though, seriously? It's not like it's the only thing i ever talk about, its just something i care about and something i like to talk about now and again.
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exactly, the 9th of september, thats quite a break
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the whole Kate Moss thing is a waste of time. there was no reason to publish the article in the first place, it wasn't in the public good or whatever it's called. It was just about trying to destroy someones career to sell newspapers and then blame her downfall on drugs.
"Oh but she's a role model blah blah blah"
So what? A lot of super models take drugs, fact. Exposing her coke usage (rather than ignoring this non-story) has not helped anyone except to maybe teach wanna-be supermodels to be more careful when snorting coke.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
Apparently Naomi Campbell injects heroin between her toes so you can't see the needle marks on her arms/legs/etc.
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The whole thing is a little ridiculous.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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The way i see it, it's a huge injustice in our society, causing misery and pain to thousands of people every year. That certainly makes it something worth "going off on one" for. Your kind of attitude is just as bad as someone telling gay rights activists (when it was still illegal) to stop "going off on one".
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how did you extrapolate "thousands of people every year" from one fired supermodel
(and btw she'll probably get the money anyway because of her contractual rights)
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Could you really not guess what this thread was about from the title and the user posting it?
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
she was being paid to represent the values associated with the brand, not just look pretty in their clothes.
snorting coke from your lesbian lovers belly doesnt really go with the clean living trendy young girl image that H&M was paying her to portray.
am sure that a few of the board of directors have powdery noses now and then, but they arent paid to sell their image to teenage girls.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
I think it's entirely right that there's a media stigma about this, I think drug use SHOULD be discouraged because it's already so heavily glamourised, and I think it's perfectly reasonable of H&M to drop her on the back of this.
I don't, on the other hand, believe there should be a police investigation, because I think that narcotics should be legal - just strongly, strongly discouraged.
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I think it's entirely right that there's a media stigma about this, I think drug use SHOULD be discouraged because it's already so heavily glamourised.
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Ignoring the moral issues, it's debatable whether the current media stigma actually succeeds in encouraging anyone not to take drugs. This whole charade seems to have just publicised the fact that glamarous, successful people take drugs. If it had been quietly ignored we'd be in a slightly better situation.
Companies pay a lot of money to have their product associated with "stars" and in the media, and this Daily Mail bullshit has just achieved the same effect for drug dealers absolutley free of charge.
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Ignoring the moral issues, it's debatable whether the current media stigma actually succeeds in encouraging anyone not to take drugs. This whole charade seems to have just publicised the fact that glamarous, successful people take drugs. If it had been quietly ignored we'd be in a slightly better situation.
Companies pay a lot of money to have their product associated with "stars" and in the media, and this Daily Mail bullshit has just achieved the same effect for drug dealers absolutley free of charge.
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"fall from grace attributed to cocaine"
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"fall from grace attributed to cocaine"
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She's still far richer than you and I or will ever be (probably).
This is hardly a fall from grace is it? Even if she died of some sort of overdose tomorrow she'd still be seen as some sort of cool icon because of it all.
Ignore these people and they will eventually go away. Giving them the oxygen of publicity justifies their existence.
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Apparently Naomi Campbell injects heroin between her toes so you can't see the needle marks on her arms/legs/etc.
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I'm unsure what to want.
I'd like to see her jailed just because.
But then, she's attractive.
Oh, what to want.
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actually, **** it, jail her.
her boyfriend pisses me off too much.
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Btw, totally on the side:
Is it just me, or have others too seen far prettier girls than Kate Moss?
I have a couple at my courses in uni, who I think looks far better than Moss.
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Is it just me, or have others too seen far prettier girls than Kate Moss?
I have a couple at my courses in uni, who I think looks far better than Moss.
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Kate Moss isn't very pretty. But she's supposed to look more "unusual" than pretty.
She's nothing special even by the relatively low standards of Croydon (where she's from).
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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It is absolutely absurd that someone can be dropped from a contract (or whatever happened) just because they choose to spend their time getting high. Obviously she is still capable of doing the work, she has done recently, and afaik there were no problems before this.
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unfortunately while she is capable of doing "work", her "job" in this case is to provide an image for the company. If she does not provide this image that the company wants, then she cannot obviously do the said job for the company. it's like if someone had a job as a model for a brand of shampoo, and then they shaved their heads, obviously they are not going to be providing the correct image for the company and cannot work for them anymore.
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Btw, totally on the side:
Is it just me, or have others too seen far prettier girls than Kate Moss?
I have a couple at my courses in uni, who I think looks far better than Moss.
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unfortunately while she is capable of doing "work", her "job" in this case is to provide an image for the company. If she does not provide this image that the company wants, then she cannot obviously do the said job for the company.
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I think the point Henry is making is that it's a bit arbritrary. Why do H&M even care about drug use? Is it anything to do with their business? If she worked for the Body Shop (or PETA) and then she was seen wearing fur then fair enough, but it's a little stretched imo in this case.
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how did you extrapolate "thousands of people every year" from one fired supermodel
(and btw she'll probably get the money anyway because of her contractual rights)
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Like i said, i don't actually care about kate moss, its the whole attitude in the country (world) that upsets me. I don't know how many times i have to say it in this thread before you supposedly intelligent people get it. The whole Kate Moss thing was an excuse, i said that, i can't quite work out why only Dante seems to have grasped that.
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I know I have a certain reputation around here, but like that thing that whoever it was searched for earlier in this thread, the last time i mentioned drugs was the 9th; and that was just the word.
If you (not just you of course) view me as that, then its only because of your own inherent laziness and need to put me in a category rather than actually think.
P.S I do realise that ive just replied far too much to a throwaway comment, but it does start to get to me.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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I think the point Henry is making is that it's a bit arbritrary. Why do H&M even care about drug use? Is it anything to do with their business? If she worked for the Body Shop (or PETA) and then she was seen wearing fur then fair enough, but it's a little stretched imo in this case.
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H&M have to consider their image and possible market impact as a result of their association with a higly publicised drug user. If they think that this association is going to cost them reputation, damage their brand and lose sales, then Kate is not doing her job, which is to improve the brand, reputation and sales of the firm.
I would find it difficult to believe that this accusation (and that is all it is at the moment) would have no effect on the public image of Kate Moss, and therefore no impact on firms who associate themselves with her. Realistically, since this is only an accusation at this stage and not a conviction, they shouldn't, but people will judge her well before the trial and the advertising firms have to take that into account.
The relevance of the offence to the product is largely immaterial in this case, since Kate is there for her image association. It's like Craig Charles when he was accused of rape (later found to be innocent) - he lost a number of jobs over this because of the negative association, and it was the same kind of thing. the Rape claim had nothing to do with the jobs he was doing, but it damaged his image and hence would have damaged the images of any firms working with him, resulting in lower viewing figures etc.
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23 Sep 2005, 10:22
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Like i said, i don't actually care about kate moss, its the whole attitude in the country (world) that upsets me. I don't know how many times i have to say it in this thread before you supposedly intelligent people get it. The whole Kate Moss thing was an excuse, i said that, i can't quite work out why only Dante seems to have grasped that.
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she didnt give another story to keep this one quiet.
a newspaper man with nothing else to write that day will have phoned her up and said 'do you have anything juicy i can write up instead of printing all this stuff i have about you snorting cocain from your lesbian lovers belly while your daughter experiments with crack in the other room? ' or some such
and she would have said 'sod off greasy, i am far too busy snorting cocain from my lesbian lovers belly to worry about such things'
the world cares about crap and rubbish like that, it sells magazines, why else do you think there are 27 Hello clones out there, trashing beautiful people makes fat ugly layabouts feel better about themselves.
she got dumped because a druggy image is not one a clothes retailer advertising to young girls wants to project.
what is there not to get?
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23 Sep 2005, 10:28
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Like i said, i don't actually care about kate moss, its the whole attitude in the country (world) that upsets me. I don't know how many times i have to say it in this thread before you supposedly intelligent people get it. The whole Kate Moss thing was an excuse, i said that, i can't quite work out why only Dante seems to have grasped that.
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but in your initial post you said that (and I paraphrase) "it is absurd that someone could be dropped from a contract because of this" - but it isn't really absurd, because of the effect that this accusation will have on the images of the people and groups involved. the rest of your point was reasonable and I have no major objections to it, but if there is a flaw in part of what you said, then shouldn't it be pointed out, just because it was not the central point of the post?
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23 Sep 2005, 10:34
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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but in your initial post you said that (and I paraphrase) "it is absurd that someone could be dropped from a contract because of this" - but it isn't really absurd, because of the effect that this accusation will have on the images of the people and groups involved. the rest of your point was reasonable and I have no major objections to it, but if there is a flaw in part of what you said, then shouldn't it be pointed out, just because it was not the central point of the post?
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OK, point taken.
perhaps i wasnt clear enough there, i dont actually blame H&M for firing her. It just annoys me that the social climate is such where it is acceptable and even expected for them to do this.
It isn't their fault that they had to do this, Im sure ive already said that, but i might as well reiterate
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
Maybe the one of the companies that fired her was worried about her image was already being damaged by being with Pete Doherty. Realising that this was giving their image a negative effect yet aware that it was not enough to fire her. One innovating young soul in the company realised a simple solution to this.
Contact one of her outer-edge associates (or send in someone undercover) and pay them to take photos of Kate snorting Coke and then send them to the tabloids with a trashy story.
this would then allow the company to sack her and help defend their image
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23 Sep 2005, 13:35
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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she got dumped because a druggy image is not one a clothes retailer advertising to young girls wants to project.
what is there not to get?
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There's a small danger here that people might actually believe that H&M really give a shit about what lifestyle they're inspiring young girls to emulate. If the negative press didn't exist H&M wouldn't give a flying ****.
Anyways hooray for the freedom to take drugs and such!
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23 Sep 2005, 13:51
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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There's a small danger here that people might actually believe that H&M really give a shit about what lifestyle they're inspiring young girls to emulate.
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H&M promote what I call the "lets don't eat and develop problems with eathing"-syndrom among girls trough they're commersials and they're small sizes.
Sadly it' accepted in todays society that helping pressuring young girls into having problems with they're own boddies, is legal and not frawned upon. On the other hand it wouldn't help anyone if doing coke was added to the "accepted-list" would it? (like Deepflow seems to suggest)
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
I'd like to see young people educated about liberty and personal responsibility. I'd like to see children learn that while they are free to do many things once they reach their adulthood there are always negative effects with the positive ones. That's just me though.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
Sadly our society **** them up well before they reach 18, JBG.
Not all of them ofcouse, but quite a lot of them.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
Hay I'm down with the fall of western civilisation
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Hay I'm down with the fall of western civilisation
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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On the other hand it wouldn't help anyone if doing coke was added to the "accepted-list" would it? (like Deepflow seems to suggest)
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Does it help anyone that it's not? Aside from the people who sell it, because prices are so high, but as the risk is pretty high that's unsurprising.
Anyway, who cares. Apparently up to fifty thousand people in London could be using / addicted to crack, let alone coke. As someone else I know pointed out, almost all the newspapers who have got hysterical about this shit will have a reasonable number of journalists who use / have used cocaine before. So have your hysteria and moral panics. Have you hypocritical rantings in the gutter press. It wouldn't make a blind bit of difference anyway.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
Is the answer to simply ban fashion and beautiful people, thus eradicating 'cool'?
This moderator thinks so.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Like i said, i don't actually care about kate moss, its the whole attitude in the country (world) that upsets me. I don't know how many times i have to say it in this thread before you supposedly intelligent people get it. The whole Kate Moss thing was an excuse, i said that, i can't quite work out why only Dante seems to have grasped that.
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how did you extrapolate "thousands of people every year" from one fired supermodel
(and btw she'll probably get the money anyway because of her contractual rights)
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If you could just answer the question that would be super.
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Re: Kate Moss Fired
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Let's imagine this wasn't about drugs or Kate Moss. Let's imagine it was about Heidi Klum getting pregnant by a black guy (Seal or whatever his name is). If I was a corporation owning tycoon let's imagine I sacked her because my company had a policy against miscegnation. Would I have the right to do this? Yes, certainly*. Would I be torn a new arsehole in the press? I should bloody well hope so.
Companies acting in a bigoted/irrational manner because that's the current vogue is kind of unhelpful imho. It leads to circular reasoning and a lack of progress in social thinking.
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Firstly, the 'stigma' attached to drug addiction is largely justified, so you cant really compare it to interracial marriage. Getting addicted to coke/heroin isnt like putting your penis inside a black women. Secondly, these companies were hiring supermodels to advertise their products. This in itself indicates that they are highly concerned about their public image - if they werent wanting to promote a specific image of themselves they Kate Moss wouldnt have got the job in the first place. Hence she can hardly have any complaints that she is being fired because she is no longer the person who portrays the kind of image they want. Its not like she was a company secretary who was being hired for any reasons above and beyond the perception that people have of her. Her image is her career, and she ruined it. When you decide to essentially base your entire life around what 'the public' thinks of you, these are the kind of risks that you incur.
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