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Unread 14 Feb 2007, 13:36   #1
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Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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Top 100 XP Planets
Rank Uni Rank Coords Ruler Planet Race XP
1 1 15:9:1 8GB Diet Schedule Qebabs Mum Eitraides 17151
2 3 9:8:11 Mein Herz Brennt Weisses Fleisch CCCP Eitraides 15624
3 4 8:8:4 The Slave The Great Wishmaster Eitraides 15611
4 5 4:10:3 Displacement the perihelion Eitraides 13477
5 6 1:5:7 the stupidity a blonde Eitraides 12682
6 55 12:3:11 Antonio Gramsci Regina Coeli Cathaar 12427
7 39 13:7:3 Transcendence Mortality Cathaar 12293
8 52 9:1:9 Zharke Zharpe Eitraides 11995
9 12 7:6:8 DeLoS Leopard 2A6 Eitraides 11946
10 25 1:5:5 Dr Claw MAD Cathaar 11862
7 of the top 10 xp planets are eitraides. is this really the only way to play the race?

also looking at the top 50 planets i see only 11 xan, 3 zik and 1 terran ...the rest are etd and cath.

its a shame tbh :/
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

No, it's probably not the only way to play the race, but it is probably the dominant strategy of the round. And eitrades are stats and race abilitieswise superior to other races (yes face it), so it's just "normal" for them to be on top of it. It's been said over and over again, how shit the statistics are, so there's no use of repeating it, but I guess I did it anyways.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

well, as much as i hate "XP playing" i found it REALLY REALLY hard not to gain alot of XP whilst using ETD chips. The firepower is so intence (and defence has so many holes in it !) that its really hard not to play XP, and to do so you have to take inferior targets purposely.

The question should be more like: ETD - Finally usefull Xan-type statset ?.


yes, i am an ETD xp whore i dont know how that happened, wasnt my plan, i swear...
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

the stats sucks and combined with the eta advantage in cluster that makes allies crap you get an xp friendly round

betatests my ass
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

Both Etd attack fleets can be easily countered with 0 loss def (Clipper, Chimera, Apparition). This race may take the same losses if they attack a big or a small target... guess what they choose. But I feel that those who are careless about their value will find it more and more difficult to land as the round progresses.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

The problem is thats its near impossible to keep roids as Etd. A simple check will show only 5 Etd in the top50 value planets and only 9 in the top100. Only Terrans are doing worse. I think most Etd never intended on being XP-whores but were forced into that role by the gaping holes in defence
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

Value shows more the size of your fleet than your ability to keep roids
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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Value shows more the size of your fleet than your ability to keep roids
so are you saying value somehow magically piles up?
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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No, it's probably not the only way to play the race, but it is probably the dominant strategy of the round. And eitrades are stats and race abilitieswise superior to other races (yes face it), so it's just "normal" for them to be on top of it. It's been said over and over again, how shit the statistics are, so there's no use of repeating it, but I guess I did it anyways.
This about sums it up. Also Makhil, all those ships you mentioned are in attackfleets (apart from apparition maybe, but who needs those).
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

Well I'm xp-whoring... but at no point did I intentionally set out to do that. Just ever since I got to top10 I've had nonstop incs and couldn't keep hold of the roids I got.

No doubt a lot of other etds are the same.
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I just ****ing can't believe PA descented down to the level of using a racename from a legendary book as a race in their game. So much for profesionalism.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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Value shows more the size of your fleet than your ability to keep roids
oh yeah sorry, and here i was thinking roids provided the resources needed to grow in value. how silly was i :/
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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The problem is thats its near impossible to keep roids as Etd. A simple check will show only 5 Etd in the top50 value planets and only 9 in the top100. Only Terrans are doing worse. I think most Etd never intended on being XP-whores but were forced into that role by the gaping holes in defence
Now which race does not have gaping holes in defence? I'm sure you're about to say xandathrii, but then again the anticruisers and antibattleships xandathrii have are utterly useless. An average eitd BS fleet wipes the floor twice with your shadows before you get to fire.
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I just ****ing can't believe PA descented down to the level of using a racename from a legendary book as a race in their game. So much for profesionalism.
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Dune, House Atreides

(i havent actually read dune. is it worth reading?)
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Dune, House Atreides

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oh yeah sorry, and here i was thinking roids provided the resources needed to grow in value. how silly was i :/
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It starts to get boring after the second part in my opinion.
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oh yeah sorry, and here i was thinking roids provided the resources needed to grow in value. how silly was i :/
Don't play smartass, i said 'more' not 'only'... what would be your value without your ships ? What would be your value without your roids ?
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Don't play smartass, i said 'more' not 'only'... what would be your value without your ships ? What would be your value without your roids ?
how nice of you to miss the point twice, which (the point) is that you cant build a fleet if you cant hold on to your roids. hence if a race cannot hold on to its roids it cannot gather enough resources from the roids (which you had lost) to build a fleet (which then represents value). or to join your great game of rethorical questions, what would your fleet be without any resource income?
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how nice of you to miss the point twice, which (the point) is that you cant build a fleet if you cant hold on to your roids. hence if a race cannot hold on to its roids it cannot gather enough resources from the roids (which you had lost) to build a fleet (which then represents value). or to join your great game of rethorical questions, what would your fleet be without any resource income?
Your faked stupidity looks so real... starting from tick 1 your scenario just doesn't work. ofc if you start from tick 500 with a planet having 0 ship you get it right...
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Didnt Elder Scrolls:Morrowind nick the Atreidies Name as well ? Im sure i seen it n some elder scrolls game
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

as a eritrades with twin fleet tacitcs i see it as impossible to avoid xp if ur playing seriously any race....good cap gets u good xp/score. and score is the reson ppl play....and value. it gives u rank and gloating rights over ur fellow comerades. ive just been attacking like i always do and end up decent ranked.
so this discussion kinda reminds me of those idiots stating that if u was dumb u whent terran last round cauze it was the easiest. what ppl needs to realize is that alot of ppl arent playing just for fun...theyr playing to win. hence they need to xpwhore to get the score gains needed to be in the good company.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

With r16 as exception XP whores never won a round though. So if you are really playing for the win, you might question the choise of actually playing XP whore instead of value heavy.

Mind you the term "XP-whore' is still not really clear to me in PA. Some ppl call themselves XP whores when they attack larger planets than their own. While this is true to some extent, i do not believe you can really speak of an XP whore unless that person is willing to sacrifice its own protection by focussing on a pure attack fleet and doesn't mind losing (large) amounts of value/fleet for decent XP. I believe most players are somewhere in the middle, they like to keep a decent fleet/value, and at the same time try and get as much score from their targets as they can without losing alot of ships in the process.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

Basically, lets finish this thread by saying, ETD is an XP race, whether u want it to be or not, so easily for ETD BS to attack huge xans, if they have 200 Tycoon, gonna take like 3.5k shadow to stop them, and even then, me as a xan would prefer to run due to the shadow losses.

so it works out like this
ETD hits big xan, gets lots of roids lots of xp score
Other races come and take etd roids with fi etc
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Yeah. It works a bit like that with eitrades frigates and a number of other races too. Wonder who was the idiot behind the stats.
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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Yeah. It works a bit like that with eitrades frigates and a number of other races too. Wonder who was the idiot behind the stats.
he sure is shit thats for sure
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

Can we get some better terminology than 'whore' please?
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Re: Eitraides - The Race of the XP Whore?

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Can we get some better terminology than 'whore' please?
nah its suits kinda nicely on the playstyle those guys have
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