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Unread 5 May 2003, 14:27   #1
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Prince sacked?

Why?

He was by far the best "community" member of PA team. Wasnt that his role?

sigh, getting rid of decent creators anything else maybe?

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Unread 5 May 2003, 14:35   #2
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supposedly he "overstepped" the rules
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i aint going to discuss it as i do not know what the interneal workings of PA team are...anyway there must have been a good reason, nobody gets the boot just like that
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supposedly he "overstepped" the rules
like can you telll us something more?
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im just sayin what i read on the portal column by spinner...
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they obviously aint going to fire him without a good reason, no point in having a go at them when you dont know the full story, so until Prince or Spinner says something it will all just be speculation
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I heard he used his powers to give himself full res and cons at tick 80. Whether or not this is true is an entirely different question.
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The portal announcement should be clear enough in itself. He overstepped some marks he shouldn't have, and was asked to leave. Suffice it to say that he wasn't 'sacked for no apparent reason'.

There is very little reason why details should be made public, nor is there any need to speculate about what and why
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Posted by: Spinner
Posted on: Monday 5th May 2003 at 12:55

As I wronte in my column, the game is not the only thing that is undergoing dramtic changes these days. Certainly the PaTeam is as well.

We are tightening the reins on ourself quite a bit, and it has had some good effects, and some needed but not so pleasant ones.

- Prince was asked to leave PaTeam.
In short, he was overstepping the rules set out by the team, and abusing his powers. Naturally, we can not tolerate such issues from within PaTeam, and we were forced to make the nasty descision to ask him to leave.
I am sorry to lose his effort and calm spirit, but friendship aside, we cant accept such behaviour.
We will have to find a replacement to help us out with dealing with cheaters, as prince has done, but for now, keep using the link on the portal for reporting players, they will go to me for the time being.

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Sound like the 'multi-hunter' gets closed down himself... heh shame though
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There is very little reason why details should be made public
I guess the situation where we speculate instead are mucho better right?

In a situation like this there will of course be ALOT of speculations. The only sensible thing for the creators to do is to make it all public (assuming it is allowed by the law). But then again we are talking about the creators.
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The only sensible thing for the creators to do is to make it all public
If you went to a bank near you and asked the director what an ex-employee was fired for, would he:

A) Explain to you in detail what the employee did
B) Tell you that it's none of your business

It may sound a bit harsh, but behind Planetarion is a company. What they do and why is not public information, as is the case with any other company.
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then he (spinner) shouldnt ave put it in the portal in the first place, saying A , and then being asked about B ..... and saying none of your biz is not correct imho!
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then he (spinner) shouldnt ave put it in the portal in the first place, saying A , and then being asked about B ..... and saying none of your biz is not correct imho!
He could have just said 'We asked Prince to leave for reasons which will not be made public', yes. Instead he gave a reason slightly more specific, saying that Prince overstepped some rules. That's more than you'll get from any other company, so be happy
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fine with me thx for the nice explanation leshy babe ;-)
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If you went to a bank near you and asked the director what an ex-employee was fired for, would he:

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B) Tell you that it's none of your business

It may sound a bit harsh, but behind Planetarion is a company. What they do and why is not public information, as is the case with any other company.
Ehhh, it was planetarion creators who made it public. You dont make much sense you know.
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Doesn't stop us from speculating as to the reason
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i'll just post here to show my disgust in Spinner and these actions.
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Ehhh, it was planetarion creators who made it public.
That's a good thing, isn't it?
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i'll just post here to show my disgust in Spinner and these actions.
well he obviously had good reason...
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If you went to a bank near you and asked the director what an ex-employee was fired for, would he:

A) Explain to you in detail what the employee did
B) Tell you that it's none of your business

It may sound a bit harsh, but behind Planetarion is a company. What they do and why is not public information, as is the case with any other company.
Planetarion is more then a company, it's a community.
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well he obviously had good reason...
There are better ways to go around it then blacken his name in such a manner without really letting anyone judge the facts on there own, but just say he overstepped the rules and try to create doubt in Prince is very poor from Spinner, just when i thought he couldn't get any more worse.
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That's a good thing, isn't it?
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well the overall goal is to get this 'company' stone-death within a few months so there you go...the man is doing his uttermost best!
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Not according to you.
People in this thread are asking for specifics beyond what was published by Spinner about why Prince was asked to leave PA-Team. I'm saying that it's something that isn't public information, which it isn't.

The fact that Spinner has given any info about the situation at all, other than the obvious "Prince is no longer part of PA-Team" should be seen as a good thing by those who want open info, etc.
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without really letting anyone judge the facts on there own
Again, what happens in a company is not public information. You may be your supermarket's best customer, but that does not make you privy to information about it's employees.
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There are better ways to go around it then blacken his name in such a manner without really letting anyone judge the facts on there own, but just say he overstepped the rules and try to create doubt in Prince is very poor from Spinner, just when i thought he couldn't get any more worse.
why doesnt Prince come on here and tell us all the truth then?
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It is all or nothing. Either Spinner said that Prince has parted the team for personal reasons and left it as that, or he comes out with the whole story with all the facts so people can decide themself.

Instead he comes out with this crap that he overstepped the rules. Tbh i don't think that is fair to Prince nor the rest of the community.
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I'm surprised no one has come with the "I told you so" option.

There were plenty of folks who said Prince was a dunce from day 1, and that he *shockar* was a power-tripper.

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why doesnt Prince come on here and tell us all the truth then?
Why dont you send him a pm and ask? I think it would be rather unfair had Spinner 'outed' Prince to the public, by telling what he did to overstep the rules.

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Why dont you send him a pm and ask? I think it would be rather unfair had Spinner 'outed' Prince to the public, by telling what he did to overstep the rules.

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or he comes out with the whole story with all the facts so people can decide themself.
Since when did customers get any decision about the employees of the company? Since when does your favourite PC shop ask you if it's ok to fire one of it's employees?

Prince was asked to leave PA-Team, Spinner made the announcement and to avoid people from making demands to know why everywhere, gave his reason as far as he saw fit, and that's what you're going to have to make do with.
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Tbh i don't think that is fair to Prince nor the rest of the community.
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Since when did customers get any decision about the employees of the company? Since when does your favourite PC shop ask you if it's ok to fire one of it's employees?

Prince was asked to leave PA-Team, Spinner made the announcement and to avoid people from making demands to know why everywhere, gave his reason as far as he saw fit, and that's what you're going to have to make do with.
Think of us as share holders then, pa is here cause we are, without us they wouldn't be.
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Think of us as share holders then, pa is here cause we are, without us they wouldn't be.
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It was unfair that he stated he overstepped the rules without showing what he did.
This is my arguement. I am not saying that he shouldn't be asked to leave, cause i like all others in this community have not be told why.

All i am saying is that the way Spinner announced it was incorrect. He should have either said that he parted, or provided us with the reasons and facts that the community deserve
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This entire community has changed beyond recognition from what I joined. This is nothing but a sorry mess. Good luck prince, and I hope spinner had a valid reason.
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All i am saying is that the way Spinner announced it was incorrect. He should have either said that he parted, or provided us with the reasons and facts that the community deserve
Are you really concerned if Prince was treated fair or not, or are you just being curious?

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This entire community has changed beyond recognition from what I joined. This is nothing but a sorry mess. Good luck prince, and I hope spinner had a valid reason.
Yep right you are, from the community from R4 that i know only 4-5 out of 100's stayed on to play...shame it had to happen this way...the only reason i stay is for the cool peeps still around...and ofc to have fun with friends ... same jonny said goes out from me...good luck prince, you will be missed ...
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Are you really concerned if Prince was treated fair or not, or are you just being curious?

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i'm more then concerned if Prince was treated fair, it is my opinion that he was not.

Think about it Pia, you are a creator who worked your arse off for a community to have some w***** announce that you pretty much are a cheater and try and create distrust in you.
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There are better ways to go around it then blacken his name in such a manner without really letting anyone judge the facts on there own, but just say he overstepped the rules and try to create doubt in Prince is very poor from Spinner, just when i thought he couldn't get any more worse.
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i'm more then concerned if Prince was treated fair, it is my opinion that he was not.

Think about it Pia, you are a creator who worked your arse off for a community to have some w***** announce that you pretty much are a cheater and try and create distrust in you.
I didnt read it as if he was a cheater, but now I aint so sure what he meant...
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i'm more then concerned if Prince was treated fair, it is my opinion that he was not.

Think about it Pia, you are a creator who worked your arse off for a community to have some w***** announce that you pretty much are a cheater and try and create distrust in you.
Did Prince tell you that he was treated unfair? Or do you base it on Spinners announcement? If I was the creator in speak, who had used my 'powers' in a wrong way, I would be grateful if it was kept in the team.

I doubt that the ppl who know and likes Prince change their opinion of him based on this. The rest will believe what they want anyway, no matter what info is given.

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Well i guess there is nothing to do but wait and see what the 2 have to say!
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This is exactly why you have a full and frank disclosure, or at least elaborate on general statements.
Yes companies reserve the right to keep information confidential, but generally when someone well known/big in an organisation gets the boot up the backside they are more specific to stop the kind of speculation/bad feeling which we are seeing in this thread.
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All i am saying is that the way Spinner announced it was incorrect. He should have either said that he parted, or provided us with the reasons and facts that the community deserve
Announcing on the Portal you are firing someone is not a fair thing to do. There are nicer ways to deal with it.
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I'm surprised no one has come with the "I told you so" option.

There were plenty of folks who said Prince was a dunce from day 1, and that he *shockar* was a power-tripper.

Interesting.
We would not stoop so low

Anyway, those people asking why - it is none of your business, complaining about it just makes you look like 12 year old kids with absolutely no knowledge of life at all. To spread info about on it would be unproffesional, and also, should any form of action be pursued in the future by either party for whatever, it could have a significant impact. It is for this reason that general practice is not to give out further information. It is a matter between Prince and the other creators, and doesn't concern the rest of us. All we needed to know was that he is no longer here, and that is what we have been told.

And those people who are saying it is a shame etc. - well, you tell me - what has he actually done?

Every piece of knowledge I have on the matter points to him having done bugger all that didn't benefit his own ego.
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i'm more then concerned if Prince was treated fair, it is my opinion that he was not.

Think about it Pia, you are a creator who worked your arse off for a community to have some w***** announce that you pretty much are a cheater and try and create distrust in you.
You think about it. If it is unfair, it would be princes responsibility to deal with the matter, not the communities. There are industrial tribunals and all sorts of fancy named things that can be done and used to verify the validity of reasons behind removal from a position, and not one of them involves public opinion, yet they are all legal.
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This is exactly why you have a full and frank disclosure, or at least elaborate on general statements.
Yes companies reserve the right to keep information confidential, but generally when someone well known/big in an organisation gets the boot up the backside they are more specific to stop the kind of speculation/bad feeling which we are seeing in this thread.
What you are seeing in this thread is purely people who thrive on gossip. They don't much care what happens to Prince on the most part, they only want some excitement. They want to kick up a fuss. There are several reasons for this, for example, the unfounded bias against Spinner that so many people in the community have - and none can justify. If it was Spinner, I reckon some of these people would cheer without a care for the reason.

Then again, on a forum like this, such people are inevitable. Thriving on gossip, action and controversy. I could almost say they can't get enough of it.
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And those people who are saying it is a shame etc. - well, you tell me - what has he actually done?

Every piece of knowledge I have on the matter points to him having done bugger all that didn't benefit his own ego.
According to various people at different times none of the creators has ever done anything. I'm just bemused as to where the game came from!
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