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[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Scouse
I take it you'll be farming and escorting yourself into the top 10 again then?



My point was that if round 9.5 is 900 ticks long, and given the start, and the approach taken by alliances, it wouldn't count as a real win.

I'll just look forward to this debate at the end of round 9.5, when it actually will matter to a lot of people.

I honnestly cannot understand why you ask pple to treat r9.5 less serious then any other round. Yes it's smaller (in players) shorter in ticks not all alliances will be present, but atleast some promised (we'll see what that's worth at the end) to go solo so this round might infact be a tad different.
I take you're not playing r9.5, correct? Ifso then I understand it even less that you tell other pple to treat it as a "fake" round.

Also, if you don't wanna read all the discussions in the end, then well ... don't read it

rgds Kj

[cypher]

scouse, i've been newsscanned even by titans almost every tick round 8 and i've never ever used all those escortfleets... about farming i'm not even gonna start as you'll say i did it be4 newsies anyways.... so that's just futile...

only escorts i've done is with your own bg and they were switched per time if i recall correctly... so just quit the bs for once... and grow up:/

[Scouse]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I honnestly cannot understand why you ask pple to treat r9.5 less serious then any other round. Yes it's smaller (in players) shorter in ticks not all alliances will be present, but atleast some promised (we'll see what that's worth at the end) to go solo so this round might infact be a tad different.
I take you're not playing r9.5, correct? Ifso then I understand it even less that you tell other pple to treat it as a "fake" round.

Also, if you don't wanna read all the discussions in the end, then well ... don't read it

rgds Kj

Like I said I'll look forward to the discussion, I wasn't being sarcastic.

Funny how this round doesn't really count for the alliances that lose as it's just a tester (for new alliances), or a filler (for established alliances), but it will count as to whoever wins it? No?


If the round is shorter than normal rounds and every alliance does go solo then there won't even be a clear winner at the end, nowhere near it in fact.

So everyone will probably be too busy discussing who won, rather than whether it counts as a win or not.

Originally posted by cyphie
scouse, i've been newsscanned even by titans almost every tick round 8 and i've never ever used all those escortfleets... about farming i'm not even gonna start as you'll say i did it be4 newsies anyways.... so that's just futile...

only escorts i've done is with your own bg and they were switched per time if i recall correctly... so just quit the bs for once... and grow up:/

Do yourself a favour and don't blantantly lie again on this forum, when a lot of people (including myself) know different.

[cypher]

LOL scouse... if i was doing that then how in godsname can you say titans didn't kick cheaters if you always knew i supposebly cheated? as you're lieing out of your arse. i don't use escortfleets which is why i didn't get roids last part of r8 as i couldn't get through on anything....
still pissed i was bigger then you i see? *cute* heh

[Scouse]

Originally posted by cyphie
LOL scouse... if i was doing that then how in godsname can you say titans didn't kick cheaters if you always knew i supposebly cheated? as you're lieing out of your arse. i don't use escortfleets which is why i didn't get roids last part of r8 as i couldn't get through on anything....
still pissed i was bigger then you i see? *cute* heh

If I were my choice you'd have never even got in. I would have loved to kick you for anything, cheating included.

The argument against me was that you couldn't have been cheating because you wern't closed.

You're a selfish player, I'm not. No wonder you were bigger than me.

[cypher]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA funny....

[Sirad]

Originally posted by skipper
As Chocese said r9.5 is as important as r8 I _considered_ your playing this as real round, the FanG part slipped because some1 from FanG agreed to Chocese so I apologise from that to FanG, but the whole comment was meant as a joke, which is why I typed the stupid smile for people like you to get it.

[Edit] I thought Chocese is still MadCows so nm my earlier posts heh [/Edit]

Well for people like yourself whom seem to believe they are in the know of everyhing important within pa and enjoy makeing witty comments based on things they precieve to be fact when in reality they have no clue to the situation, I myself am essentially done with planetarion. so if i login for 20 days I fail to see how I am playing this as a real round.
When infact I have played every round for fun I dont see what the diffrence the 20 days of this round i play would be any diffrent from the previous "full" rounds that I have played.

[Razorback]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I honnestly cannot understand why you ask pple to treat r9.5 less serious then any other round. Yes it's smaller (in players) shorter in ticks not all alliances will be present, but atleast some promised (we'll see what that's worth at the end) to go solo so this round might infact be a tad different.
I take you're not playing r9.5, correct? Ifso then I understand it even less that you tell other pple to treat it as a "fake" round.

Also, if you don't wanna read all the discussions in the end, then well ... don't read it

rgds Kj

You name the things yourself and still ask why it wouldnt be taken serious ?

Its shorter, its not really worth playing except for some fun, alot of ppl will take a break as they dont like the idea, so a win means nothing. How can it mean as much if only half of an alliance plays?
Furthermore alot of alliances stated they wanted to use it as a chance to test themself for coming random rounds, so i guess that will also lead to certain alliances not taking the round serious.

And tbh i personally feel round 9.5 is just a waste of time and mainly there because r10 is not completed. Anyone seriously thinking it will be fun and hard to do well in a farmers and multi unvierse with maybe killmarks botarmy even signing up 800 planets is a fool. Not to speak of the unbalanced statsidea (cloaked isnt cloaked if everyone has milscans) and all "specialpods" right from the start. If someone wants to win r9.5 i would recommend signing up 30 planets, roid every planet once and youll lead the field. after you are done in your little pathetic multiworld you can claim your #1 spot because pacrew wont bother to delete you (like they didnt delete planets in the top100 this round after they were closed, pathetic cheaters finsihed in the top100 final ranking )

And now KJ ask again why r9.5 would be worth as much as any other round ? By your logic Speedpa would also value as a full round. Here we go....

[Jester]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I honnestly cannot understand why you ask pple to treat r9.5 less serious then any other round.

Because it's more fun.

Jester

[skipper]

Originally posted by sirad
Well for people like yourself whom seem to believe they are in the know of everyhing important within pa and enjoy makeing witty comments based on things they precieve to be fact when in reality they have no clue to the situation, I myself am essentially done with planetarion. so if i login for 20 days I fail to see how I am playing this as a real round.
When infact I have played every round for fun I dont see what the diffrence the 20 days of this round i play would be any diffrent from the previous "full" rounds that I have played.

The one thing that i hate in these boards is the amount of personal insults, and i guess my last post crossed the line, so im sorry for that. As the location part on the high left says im outsider, so i dont understand how i could be in the know of everything important within pa. Although i played this game back in a day, so its nice to pop in for a discussion from time to time. Im only commenting how I as an outsider see things in the middle of this biased community of planetarion.

P.S. I guess this post is a bit offtopic, im just trying avoid future threads being full of this.

[G.K Zhukov]

Focht, I want you to tell us why 9.5 will have more cheating that previous rounds.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
Focht, I want you to tell us why 9.5 will have more cheating that previous rounds.

Because it's free?

Focht

[Razorback]

Originally posted by G.K Zhukov
Focht, I want you to tell us why 9.5 will have more cheating that previous rounds.

Quiet simple, the planets are free, this means no negative money effect. furthermore the round is random, so planets are much harder to spot if the multi is intelligent.

Lets say a multi, we call him Ki-ll-Mark signs up 25 planets.
He says 12 planets are pure farms and 12 planets are pure fleetescorts and one mainplanet.
So he starts farming with 3 fleets per night, if the galaxys defend the offline farmplanet he will not waste a scan he will pull normally, so now compared then before he wont ever run in danger to lose a farmfleet or to blow his cover with the "he cant have known there is defence newsscans arent around".
So he farms 12 planets aroundand gets free roids, maybe even sends the other planets of his "escort bg" to hit the same gal, noone will ever know for a long time. As random rounds tend to "scare" ppl from using irc, they dont want to blow their cover, also its no MUST to be on galaxyirc with other ppl. Surely you can claim "we got attacked and i think #5 is a spy or multi" but as everyone has newsscans it will be impossible to prove that.

so there are 2 possibilites, either spinner (who does multihunting atm alone) will be swamped with hundreds of possible reports from paranoid ppl and he will delay his activities in r10 coding, or he will just say "who cares" and close the cases like in r9 where only the high profile ones were actually worked on, anyhting below 3 mio was basically ignored.
Managing 10 planets in pa cant really be much work, especially if you dont really bother to do alot of work except growing with 12 planets for a single time freeroidtour and two and with the other 12 planets to create a small image of activity by defending a galm8, writing maybe some threads on politics (if you are lazy you could even copy it) and the best is, it doesnt cost you a thing.

So back to Ki-ll-Mark, in regular pa he would have to spend 24 * 10 € and would have to make them all in random galaxys or create a pure private multigal.

Pro random, harder to detect as described above, contra the % of random gals in a private universe is low and creators might once check the few random planets, especially if a galm8 suspects you.

Pro private, more secure only the missing cluster/para activity can blow your cover and ofc you will look suspicious hitting the same gal 10 nights on different planets (lo rabba).

So to compare it a random round gives you the ideal basis for growing atleast a bunch of 1-2 time farmplanets which you abandon after getting the profit out of them, then its impossible to track you down with them.

The costfactor is in a student/young ppl based customerspace not to neglect, the same project would cost Ki-ll-Mark 250 € and alot more headaches to get it as well sorted and hidden.

For more questions feel free anytime to pm me.
The multihunting in r9 was pathetic as i have seen on my own on various occasions. And anyone thinking spinner and his limited crew would give 2 cents for r9.5 is a fool.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Razorback

And now KJ ask again why r9.5 would be worth as much as any other round ? By your logic Speedpa would also value as a full round. Here we go....

nope, you're wrong here. I didn't say r9.5 is important, as I won't play it myself. But, I said to scouse that he has no right to ask the pple to not take the round seriously.
Pple should make that out for themselves, and if they consider it serious then I wish them good luck etc cause they have every right to call it a full round.

rgds Kj

[Maddix]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
I honnestly cannot understand why you ask pple to treat r9.5 less serious then any other round. Yes it's smaller (in players) shorter in ticks not all alliances will be present, but atleast some promised (we'll see what that's worth at the end) to go solo so this round might infact be a tad different.
I take you're not playing r9.5, correct? Ifso then I understand it even less that you tell other pple to treat it as a "fake" round.

I think most people acknowledge that due to the way some people are if R9.5 is 'taken seriously' then any idea of everyone going solo will immediately fly out the window and blocks will start to form. Which as we all know will lead to more and bigger blocks and the general end of the universe as we know it

[Obfuscator]

Originally posted by Scouse
Can we all agree that round 9.5 doesn't count as an official round before it even starts, so we don't get 2 months of debate from the winning alliance as to why it did matter and why they won a round just as much as everyone else has in the past?

Hopefully this could make alliances less desparate to win at all costs, if they know their win won't be valued much by the community. We could end up with most alliances playing solo and for 'fun' since they won't want to burn any bridges that they may need for round 10 (the next real round), or upset people with dodgy tactics.


To a lot of people this is common sense, but this is just 'putting it down on paper'.

So, would you all happen to agree?

I won't be playing r9.5, so I guess my agreement or disagreement with you here is moot, but I do happen to disagree.

Previous rounds of PA have not been uniform in length. Ruling it out simply because it is shorter does not really make a major difference to me. To draw the line between 9.5 and Speed rounds, however, is easy, as Speedrounds are relevantly different from normal PA rounds in more ways than just round-length.

I'd sure like to see people play the round less seriously....less cut-throat, or however you want to put it, but ultimately, I want that effect to carry over into EVERY round of PA, not just this short one. Therefor, I'm not sure what advantage there is in trying to say that this one won't count for anything. Seems like a better idea is to come up with a better way to convince the major alliances that it's in their best interests to play solo. With any luck, r9 did that pretty well already.

[Gerbie]

I know many individuals will take this round seriously. They see an opportunity to do well and not see their skills made to an insignificant factor due to powerblocks. I don't think many alliances will give up the idea of trying to win the round. Nobody will dare form a block (publicly) this early in the round, since that will lead to the formation of a huge counterblock. There are probably back-up plans available in case a block needs to be formed. Now every alliance must show what they are made of.

[Browolf]

anyone is says they wont take this round seriously, i suspect is deluding themselves. When the time comes and the ships are lining up in their hangars and the battle lines are being drawn,
pa fever will take over and it'll be business as usual

[Tomkat]

Well if people are debating over and over that the round isn't worthy of any recognition, then couldn't we turn it around and all come to some kind of nice agreement that even though it is only lasting 6 weeks, we will all play to the maximum of our abilities, and it will count?

[Spoonman]

i'd place the winner of a short random round above the winner of a full private galaxy round any day...

[Scouse]

Originally posted by Spoonman
i'd place the winner of a short random round above the winner of a full private galaxy round any day...

Throw in a completely solo political field (dream world) and I'd agree with you.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Scouse
Throw in a completely solo political field (dream world) and I'd agree with you.

though he got a point, winning in a random universe earns more credits (from me atleast) then winning in a private gal.
Private gals are to be controlled by the alliance/block while that often is harder with some random gals.

rgds Kj

[Baco]

Originally posted by Kjeldoran
though he got a point, winning in a random universe earns more credits (from me atleast) then winning in a private gal.
Private gals are to be controlled by the alliance/block while that often is harder with some random gals.

rgds Kj

I hope everybody agrees that in randonm rounds good players ussually do better even if they r in the loosing side than in private gals rounds when they r in loosing side....so I give more credit to random rounds, but I have to agree this one is a bit different although I agree with spoonman...

PS - politics shouldn't win the rounds (and PA boards even less )

[Fasie]

I think that even if you agree that this round is not an official round;
there will bragging there, will be whining
It is a part of the fun to whine and brag so

And now Good luck everyone , let's make it fun !!!

Originally posted by Scouse
Can we all agree that round 9.5 doesn't count as an official round

[Scouse]

Bumping threads is naughty.

Originally posted by Scouse
Bumping threads is naughty.

Not bumping, more bringing to peoples attention instead of starting a new thread.

[Drvar]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
Not bumping, more bringing to peoples attention instead of starting a new thread.

i doubt you'd bump it if you'd win with that quote. just face it, LDK is better than you .

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally posted by Razorback
stuff I agree with

You only miss one thing focht, there's been free rounds before.

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
Not bumping, more bringing to peoples attention instead of starting a new thread.

Hey, look at it from the bright side....
no winners, no losers - Eclipse didn't lose afterall!

[ComradeRob]

Originally posted by Scorpio
Hey, look at it from the bright side....
no winners, no losers - Eclipse didn't lose afterall!

ofc Eclipse lost, don't be a moron. Congrats to LDK, enjoy your victory, we're off to prepare for r10, where we hope to meet you on the field of battle again

[Parthos]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
ofc Eclipse lost, don't be a moron. Congrats to LDK, enjoy your victory, we're off to prepare for r10, where we hope to meet you on the field of battle again

Must resist...making jokes about...only be a fight if they rip off enough credit card #s... must resist...

[Mitre]

Originally posted by Parthos
Must resist...making jokes about...only be a fight if they rip off enough credit card #s... must resist...

Have you ever posted a serius post ?
Cant remember you posting anything else than flames or b****

Originally posted by Mitre
Have you ever posted a serius post ?
Cant remember you posting anything else than flames or b****

Hello trai........ defec........allyhopper......scum.

[Mitre]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
Hello trai........ defec........allyhopper......scum.

I love you too

[djcomplex]

i wondered when the non LDK was gonna bump this thread

[Scouse]

It would be interesting to see some of the people who posted in this thread at the start of the round now post their feelings having played the round.

[Spoonman]

Originally posted by Scouse
It would be interesting to see some of the people who posted in this thread at the start of the round now post their feelings having played the round.

ok
i feel like i am the very model of a modern major-general

[Parthos]

Originally posted by Mitre
Have you ever posted a serius post ?
Cant remember you posting anything else than flames or b****

Clearly never, no serious posts nor thread-writing that spawns 3 pages or more of mostly well thought out replies about some serious issue in PA or another.

However, I could imitate (imitation is the sincerest form of flattery) you and whip out an ad hominem attack. That would be super cool.

[hAl]

It was a way better round than r9 but clearly we now see that a free round accounts for really insane amounts of people cheating.

Also somehow I hope this round will be the last of the battlegroup being a significant force in PA.

hAl

[Silva baby]

thats rather poor
thats lyke saying VGN's defence this round didn't count cause the round didn't count and that most of the smaller alliance that proved themselves don't count either